PDGA Major Event: 2012 Pro/Am Disc Golf World Championships, Charlotte, NC

[hvnafit]

Originally Posted by Spinthrift

Jimmy - re-post your note on the Guest Area section of the Charlotte Disc Golf Club board:
http://charlottedgc.invisionzone.com/

Give it a subject line something like "Headed to Charlotte 4/19-23." There are many people headed our way pre-Worlds and CDGC members are happy to help.

Thanks Spinthrift!
I went ahead an resigersted and have posted in the guest area.

[ERicJ]

Nice job shuffling the pools to allow more players:

Space has been opened up at the 2012 PDGA World Championships for 33% more Advanced Women as well as an increase in the X Pool that includes Advanced Master Women, Advanced Grandmaster Women, and Female Junior 1 and Junior 2 divisions. As a consequence of these changes there is also more space available for the H Pool that includes both the Female and Male Junior 3 and Junior 4 divisions.

To allow these increases the under-subscribed MPM pool was reduced from 108 to 96, and the Advanced Women and the H Pool have had course changes. The new course assignments are shown in Tentative Course Assignments v1.5 and Tentative Course Schedule v1.5 available at the 2012 PDGA Worlds webpage.

--http://www.pdga.com/more-women

[Spinthrift]

Originally Posted by jarmiller

Where's the waitlist?

The wait list is part of registration. Fill out the form as if registering, then choose "wait list" on the menu. Place it with a credit card, not Paypal. A credit card will not be charged unless you get in. If you use Paypal it will be charged immediately.
http://www.pdga.com/2012worlds/register

[Disc Giant]

Is there a place we can look to see our position on the wait list? I'd hate to call and bug people about it- I know you guys are inundated.

[tatersak]

please post waitlist. inquiring minds want to know. i know this is the first time it filled before open registrations so people want to see how far down the list we are. Thanks, please others ask same. we get enough requests maybe we can get the list. shout out everyone.

[Spinthrift]

Originally Posted by Disc Giant

Is there a place we can look to see our position on the wait list? I'd hate to call and bug people about it- I know you guys are inundated.

The wait list will be posted when open registration for unfilled divisions begins on May 1. There may be some movement of slots prior to that time since there have already been three withdrawals since invitee registration began.

[Spinthrift]

The 2012 Worlds Host Committee needs experienced TDs to serve as directors and assistant directors at the 14 Worlds courses. Many of the TDs we normally call upon are playing this year, and we have a larger need than any previous Worlds has had.

If you would like to help, please contact 2012 Worlds Operations Director Bill Jacobson at clash.cdgc@gmail.com. Please pass this message to anyone you know who may be interested.

Thanks,
Jim

[Spinthrift]

This message was posted on the CDGC board by 2012 Worlds TD Sam Nicholson:

"May 1st the PDGA will open up the Worlds registration to all PDGA current members. If you are a invited Pro player, expect to play and have not yet signed up, I recommend that you do so before May 1st. Due to the fact that the Am divisions are mostly, if not completely filled, many Ams will sign up in the Pro divisions to have the opportunity to play in the Worlds at all. I would wager that by May 5th the entire event, all divisions and classifications will fill. If you snooze, you will lose and be a spectator or watch the results at home on the computer."

[deoldphart]

probably already answered, but is the Grandmasters full?

[keithjohnson]

Depends if you are asking about AM or PRO

4/2/12 6:00pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Grandmaster Men (MG1) division has filled.
So AM filled up 3 weeks ago

Pro only has 34 signed up - so not even half full.

[steveganz]

With less than a week left in the registration period reserved for invitees to the 2012 PDGA World Championships, it appears that for the first time ever, Pro players invited to Worlds may need to worry about getting in ...read more

[bgwvdave]

With Pro Worlds about to fill like the am side has there is now a huge premium on the remaining spots left for PRO Worlds. So my question is and i am going to follow this post up with an e-mail to the PDGA but how are there multiple amatuers that did not play one Pro event last year already pre-registered for in the MPM (pro masters) field?

[cgkdisc]

An invite to Worlds isn't specific to any division Am or Pro but simply to enter a division you qualify for by age and gender even if you never played in that division in the previous year. For example, a player who turns 40 in 2012 couldn't play Master in 2011 to get an invite to play Master at 2012 Worlds because they were too young.

[bgwvdave]

Chuck,
if that is the case then the sytem is FLAWED!

[bgwvdave]

I competed for an entire year as a Professional Masters golfer and missed an invite by 24 points. and now i may not have the chance (that could be once in a lifetime) to compete in the World Championships in my division becasue someone who qualified as an amateur took my spot??

Amatuers should get invited to AM worlds and Pro's should get invited to Pro Worlds.

[cgkdisc]

Not "flawed" if Worlds is filling. Perhaps could be more "fair" so more of the potentially best players for each division get the chance to enter each division.

[C11800]

I have already posted this on face book, so if you have read it already, I appologize...lol.

If the open divisions don't fill, Don't you think it would be fair to all who pay for a PRO membership should get a chance to sign up before an amatuer player?
Even if you give them a 24 hour window to do so that would give them ample time to sign up I would think. I mean we can't play down a division if the situation was reversed, right?
With this event in such high demand, just like we all knew it would be, you would think that you have to keep everybody in check to their respective divisions.
That includes The Junior divisions as well. And I only say that because of the rules
that are in place seperating qualification standards within the JR. div.
Example:

A junior gets an invite under the #2 qualification standard, ie:born 1998 or later.
But has signed up for the MJ2 division, which has a point requirement needed, which he doesn't even come close to meeting.
What happens to the junior who meets the point requirement but loses out because of
no spot left? He can't play down because he is to old. What do you tell him then??

And as far as Daves post about the amatuers registering for pro because thier division has filled? If you didn't get a PRO invite then you need to wait for either open registration or go on the waitlist in your respective division. Thats what we would have to do because we would not have a choice. Just saying fair is fair.

Please don't take this the wrong way, just asking questions that I think deserve a valid answer. thanks for listening.
All the best to The Charlotte disc golf club and the PDGA For your efforts putting on such a massive event!!!

[John Hernlund]

I noticed this posted at PDGA.com, it was also shared on Facebook:
http://www.pdga.com/pros-lose-worlds-opportunity

...it appears that for the first time ever, Pro players invited to Worlds may need to worry about getting in if they procrastinate during the invitation registration period.

(emphasis added...)

I was kind of disappointed to see that the author has a short memory, as late registration, wait lists, etc., for 2011 Pro Worlds was the exact same scenario, and turned into a complete fiasco. And in the end, PDGA did not honor the wait lists, anyways. So I don't think people should be getting too high of expectations for how 2012 Worlds wait lists will be handled, since they'll probably just throw those away, too.

Basic Lesson: Don't wait! Get your butt registered now, if you want to play!

[C11800]

Originally Posted by John Hernlund

I noticed this posted at PDGA.com, it was also shared on Facebook:
http://www.pdga.com/pros-lose-worlds-opportunity
(emphasis added...)

I was kind of disappointed to see that the author has a short memory, as late registration, wait lists, etc., for 2011 Pro Worlds was the exact same scenario, and turned into a complete fiasco. And in the end, PDGA did not honor the wait lists, anyways. So I don't think people should be getting too high of expectations for how 2012 Worlds wait lists will be handled, since they'll probably just throw those away, too.

Basic Lesson: Don't wait! Get your butt registered now, if you want to play!

Was it that bad john??
Didn't hear anything about it till now but wasn't paying attention either...lol
I hope we all get in so it is what it is. The only other problem I had with the qualifications
this year was that they went to a points format instead of a % of each state. I have 16 yr old that will possibly miss out playing pro open, ( which he has played for the last 2 yrs) because we here in florida don't exactly have a big pro turn out most of the time. And him not able to play every event really hurt his chances to qualify for the worlds. But oh well, we will see if we can get in may 1st.

[bgwvdave]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Not "flawed" if Worlds is filling. Perhaps could be more "fair" so more of the potentially best players for each division get the chance to enter each division.

Chuck,
respectfully you can not make a parallel between participation and level of competition. "Potentially Best Players" is an opinion at best and not objective at all.

[cgkdisc]

All I'm saying is the Worlds invite and registration process has been more about participation than player qualifications since forever, unlike the high level qualifying process required to get invited to USDGC by comparison. Maybe this tipping point of 2011 and 2012 Worlds will initiate changes. I already brought it up at PDGA HQ last week. It will likely be discussed later this year regarding future Worlds invites.

[bgwvdave]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

It will likely be discussed later this year regarding future Worlds invites.

Thanks Chuck...this is all i can ask. Like we have all been saying its a nice problem to have. could we be out growing combined worlds, and the Sport is possibly growing that much?

[cgkdisc]

For what it's worth, the Am side is the issue not the Pro side at the moment. If the invited and waitlisted Ams had really wanted to close out the Pro side, they would have done it by now. So I'm thinking the pros who want to get in and weren't invited have a decent shot to get in on May 1, maybe only fending off other pros who weren't invited.

Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the most financially taxing of the Majors and NTs for pros to attend even if you cash. So I'm not sure we'll see the enthusiasm like we saw in Santa Cruz with its west coast pent up demand at another Pro Worlds until the purse gets a significant and guaranteed boost to attract more pros.

[bgwvdave]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

For what it's worth, the Am side is the issue not the Pro side at the moment. If the invited and waitlisted Ams had really wanted to close out the Pro side, they would have done it by now. So I'm thinking the pros who want to get in and weren't invited have a decent shot to get in on May 1, maybe only fending off other pros who weren't invited.

Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the worst financial proposition of Majors and NTs to attend even if you cash. So I'm not sure we'll see the enthusiasm like we saw in Santa Cruz with its west coast pent up demand at another Pro Worlds until the purse gets a significant and guaranteed boost to attract more pros.

for what its worth

[C11800]

Ok..Thanks Chuck for the replies.
But I am still confused with the invite process and what I see on the confirmed players list.
If a player signs up for pro but is not on the pro invite list and he doesn't have any points under the pro criteria how does he qualify for the PRO division? I bet if a pro signs up for the advanced div. he gets booted. I have found quite a few people signed up for the pro division, ( master and open) that either doesn't have enough points or has never even played a pro event. Is he signed up because his proper div. is full or is he truly wanting to play in the pro division?

Same goes for the JR. divisions, how can a JR. that qualifies under the 1998 invite rule that barely has 10 points able to sign up for a higher division that requires 100 points to get an invite? Makes no sense at all. And from what I understand they changed the invite criteria so late in the year that most juniors didn't have enough time to get the points needed to get the invite. Seems like that rule should have carried over to the 2013 worlds to give ample time to qualify.
Just sounds like a one sided contest and you pay the penalty for turning Pro. Might as well not pay for a PRO membership if it doesn't mean anything.

I have always liked the 3 tier qualifying structure where if you have a tour event that is in high demand it goes as follows:

example: Hill billy open is scheduled for DEC. 15
1st tier:
registration opens AUG. 1st for the top 25 % in each state (which invites are sent out)

2nd tier:
registration opens for 975+ rated players SEPT.1st ( provided spots are open)

3rd tier:
registration open to all players OCT. 1st (provided spots are open)


Hopefully in the future it gets more structured and spots are earned like the in the USDGC.

Thanks for listening!

[cgkdisc]

C11800 - please reread the first sentences in my posts #133 and #141 above. It might not make sense going into the future but that has been the approach to Worlds for years.

[bruce_brakel]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the most financially taxing of the Majors and NTs for pros to attend even if you cash.

Most pros need to play most tournaments for the same reasons that amateurs do: for fun and competition. Worlds, especially, but Worlds included.

Until we're donating the entry fees to charity and paying the pros the sponsored purse, the way legit golf and tennis tournaments do, pros and ams just gotta deal with the fact that it is pretty close to a zero sum game that we play for fun and competition.

If you're playing this game for riches and glory, get back in the balloon; you're not in Oz yet.

[C11800]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

C11800 - please reread the first sentences in my posts #133 and #141 above. It might not make sense going into the future but that has been the approach to Worlds for years.

Fair enough.
I do have to admit, our sport is definitely getting in very high
Demand and it is great to see! Thanks for your time and replies!

[bgwvdave]

Originally Posted by bruce_brakel

Most pros need to play most tournaments for the same reasons that amateurs do: for fun and competition. Worlds, especially, but Worlds included.

Until we're donating the entry fees to charity and paying the pros the sponsored purse, the way legit golf and tennis tournaments do, pros and ams just gotta deal with the fact that it is pretty close to a zero sum game that we play for fun and competition.

If you're playing this game for riches and glory, get back in the balloon; you're not in Oz yet.

Bruce,
what a great reply to an extremely irrelevant point about worlds and disc golf being about money.

[hueyman2]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

For what it's worth, the Am side is the issue not the Pro side at the moment. If the invited and waitlisted Ams had really wanted to close out the Pro side, they would have done it by now. So I'm thinking the pros who want to get in and weren't invited have a decent shot to get in on May 1, maybe only fending off other pros who weren't invited.

Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the most financially taxing of the Majors and NTs for pros to attend even if you cash. So I'm not sure we'll see the enthusiasm like we saw in Santa Cruz with its west coast pent up demand at another Pro Worlds until the purse gets a significant and guaranteed boost to attract more pros.

There is a large amount of univited AM's that will take Pro spots. Invited Am's seem content, but non-invited Ams are chomping at the bit for May 1.