King's Cup IV May 16-17, 2009 Kinston, NC

[Joseph]

I am very interested to see what you, the players want at this years King's Cup IV. In the past we have played all four rounds from the longs for all players. I have considered changing the format in consideration of players in divisions that don't want as much of a challenge. We are ready to sanction our event but want to get your input before we make it official. Please post or PM as soon as possible. We are ready to get on the calendar and are already working to make this years event the best yet. Thanks for your input or inputt.

[snarewilm]

4 rounds long works for me.Although I will be there no matter the format.Thanks for all your hard work Joe and hope to see ya soon.

Scuba Steve Narehood

[otimechamp]

Keep the pro's on the Pro tee's Please!!!!! all four rounds

[bgwvdave]

in may we will have a lot more daylight to work with but in the spirit of fairness i would see it o.k. to let Rec. and ladies play 2 or more rounds from the shorts. this may improve flow of rounds as well.

If the Castle had Rec tee's i would do this for sure:-)

[crotts]

I'm fairly sure that when most Pro and Advanced golfers think of Kinston they think of the long pads. I would say keep Pro and adv. 4 rounds of longs. however I think it would be reasonable to put lower divisions on the short pads for 1 or 2 rounds. it would speed up play a good deal. if they played shorts in the morning the pro's wouldnt have a 2 hour lunch break.

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[MTL21676]

IMHO...

pros and advanced - longs all 4 rounds

intermediate / advanced masters / advanced women - short long short long

int. women / rec / jrs - shorts all 4 rounds (I would assume most of these players rarely play the longs in casual rounds - also, would help with speed of play)

[twig]

Speaking as one of those who would be in the lower divisions, I think putting some of those divisions on the shorts for some/all rounds probably could help speed things up, though I don't play the course often enough to know where to make that break and for how many rounds. And while there are some courses where I simply would not play the tournament if it meant some/all rounds on the longest/most difficult setup (I like a challenge, I'd play those tees casually, but I do like to be competitive), Kinston isn't one of those places. In fact I think I actually would prefer all longs. But count me in the group that's there regardless of the tees.

Frank

[bgwvdave]

I think all these ideas are great banter and everyone on here so far seem to be on the same track. the biggest thing to keep in mind Joe is mixing divisions and teepads during multiple rounds is making the distiction extremely clear for the players. i can think of an example during the sneaky pete or alamance Pro/Am a few years ago where a group played from the wrong pad and cost them strokes. i guess what i am saying is it is making more work for the TD. not a bad thing just a constructive observation.

[Joseph]

I want to run a great tournament and tournaments are for players. That is why it is so important for me to get this feedback from you. The King's Cup is your tournament to play in and for us to host. I know that there is always room for improvement and I am aware that there has been a lapse in time between groups finishing their respective rounds of play. I want each player to, regardless of division, feel that they are getting what they came for and that we can run the event smoothly. I don't want to get to the point where we are trying to unfold too many layouts per round. It is a nightmare and can, as Dave noted, cause confusion and even cause people to play the wrong layout. Please keep the good constructive criticism flowing, I appreciate it.

[Mikegdc]

Joe,
First, last years tournament was fantastic! You guys did an outstanding job on every facet that I am aware of, that you had control over. If there was an issue (not talking about Scotty's talk vs. storm) it would be the late finish by the lower groups, which has been discussed at length here. A better question to ask you would be "Do you need any help from us?"
I definitely look forward to the King's cup!
Peace, Doc

[Joseph]

Thanks Doc, just your input and your continued support. I really haven't known you very long but you have quickly become a favorite player of mine. I know you work hard, play hard, and enjoy life to the fullest. You set a great example as a professional and give me yet another great player to look up to.

[deoldphart]

My 2 sense. Have and always play the Kings Cup, Lord Willing. Always dread the late arrival home on Sunday, as I get up every/every morning 0445. Longs on Sat , everybody. Longs on Sun for Pro and Adv men, and shorts on Sun for the rest of us. You may want to put the Mini Thumber who is a pretty good rec player on the novice pads, since the PDGA considers my rating as a Rec player. The Kings Cup, is for Queens too, and the Cupcake( who is under 17 yoa) would rather play longs.
Hope this helps.

I still am a pretty good Rec player.

[Joseph]

I think that at the moment it appears that most are in favor of Open and Advanced 4 rounds from the longs and others some combination of longs and shorts. I will be sending in the sanctiioning agreement early next week so if there are any others that would like to make suggestions on layout, please let me know. Our club will be discussing the issue based on your input. Thanks for taking the time to post and call. I appreciate your support.

[scottknapp]

Joe, May the force be with you.

[Joseph]

Thanks big daddy Knapp!

[deoldphart]

And may the Force be with you Scott and Moe with your new youngin due this Monday. With 2 kids in the house, qualifies as a parent. Now you will have to hold court to ask who did it...LOL. Try to make both kids happy, good luck.
Good Luck Mon, Moe and Scott

[Joseph]

How would everyone feel about all Open and Advanced Divisions playing 4 rounds from the longs, all other divisions playing Sat morning shorts, Sat afternoon longs, Sunday both rounds from the shorts?

[PatrickColoton]

Noble
I think that what you have here would br great for your tournament, reasonable fot the fact that the longs can be rough for a new player and this would also speed up the play so we can enjoy the graet things you and kinston Disc Golf bring to the sport in NC, all i know is i love playing in kinston and what ever layout you do i will be there, c u in buckhorn little buddy

[Markus]

Glad to hear that the Kings Cup will be held again and that I might still be in the States for that. I started playing last year and Kings Cup III was my first tournament. It was fun. Now that Ive gotte better (a little) I would love to play all 4 round from the long. But I guess it might be time to play advanced anyway.
Looking forward to that!!!

[twig]

My personal preference when playing a tournament using two (or more) sets of pads is to get more than one crack at any given setup (that extra round from the long tees will build character). I make exceptions for certain courses, to be sure...you have to take most Charlotte courses in manageable doses, to be sure. And Burlington's neighboring courses allow for 4 setups, though as a rule I have never played a pdga there (which is a story for another time, but anyone who's ever played there can probably think of a few reasons). And keeping them in the same order from day to day (long tees morning, short tees afternoon, for example) seems the simplest and easiest thing for everyone to keep track of, though depending on certain factors (setting up mandos, moving baskets, etc.) I can understand going with a schedule that doesn't necessitate changing anything from Saturday afternoon to Sunday morning. But whether it's all long, all short, or something in between, I'll be there regardless.

Frank

[deoldphart]

Joe, that was a great Idea. I vote on that one.

[Mikegdc]

To those not in the know, the Kinston course is a bi-otch off the fairway, and its quite easy and common from the longs.
The time separation between the first card in and the last was (how long Joe?) an hour or more.
That is very difficult to work around, and delayed everything.
That said, I vote :
short
Long
short
short

Doc

[Joseph]

To those not in the know, the Kinston course is a bi-otch off the fairway, and its quite easy and common from the longs.
The time separation between the first card in and the last was (how long Joe?) an hour or more.

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[Joseph]

I will have a final decission this week on the layout and we will begin taking registrations as soon as the page can be updated. We are lloking forward to another great King's Cup......are you ready?

[deoldphart]

Mini Thumber ready, while your making decisions, help them out with the Anti-stimulus package up north.

[Joseph]

The layout for the King's Cup IV has been determined. All advanced and open divisions will play four rounds from the longs. All other divisions will play Saturday morning shorts, afternoon longs and Sunday morning shorts and afternoon longs. Registration and PayPal will be available within the next few days and a flyer is being developed for distribution. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM.

[crotts]

sounds great, count me in

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[deoldphart]

Me 2, to,too,two,dose

[Tuck]

I think this is a good decision and look forward to another great tourney joe.

[Joseph]

Thanks, we look forward to having you and I appreciate your support. Registration will be coming shortly.