Keen Footwear Disc Golf Shoe!

[ChrisWoj]

We are on the brink of something very huge for our sport.

Disc golf has been "on the brink" forever. (then again, forever for me dates back only four years lol)


Avery do you know if they have anyone testing them that has issues with dragging their foot on the follow through? I need to know if the shoe can hold up on both sides along the metatarsals.

[dgdave]

This sport is only 35 years old. of course its on the brink still. Its still very new

[Karl]

Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.

3. If you put the spin area on BOTH shoes, see 1. above.

Just some thoughts...not saying it couldn't be done....

Karl

[20460chase]

Is this the same "on the brink" that we got from Solomon? Seems to me this is good for disc golf, great for touring players that need free shoes.

[LastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by Karl

Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.

3. If you put the spin area on BOTH shoes, see 1. above.

Just some thoughts...not saying it couldn't be done....

Karl

I throw backhand and sidearm, and spin areas would be great to have on both soles. however, i agree having a flat area of rubber would create a possibility of becoming slick.

who knows, one day you may have slip on rubber soles for teeing off. kinda of like the slip on metal studs for walking on ice that fit over the toe and heel of your shoes.

[John Keith]

[QUOTE=Karl;1401657]Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.


Yes and No. But your missing my point. Most people, manufacturers don't think Outside the box. I know I work for a manufacture. I would like to see a Disc Golf shoe not be a hiking shoe or a running shoe...but a "DiscGolf" shoe. the tread doesn't have to spin, yes i have thought of that. but the tread can be designed for our spin. it can still be a good walker , but have tread design for our patented disc golf tee off spin.
and when the grass is wet we normally switch shoes anyways for that round. like cleats or something for wet grass.
and yes for a disc golf manufacturer a shoe could be designed for left and right feet. it would totally make sense to have right foot treads and left foot treads. thats my point stop thinking inside the traditional box (this slows progression) in all of life, to think in little box conservative ideas of cant's and wont's. start thinking creative. DiscGolf is not normal. stop thinking normal. There are sports that shoes are different from left to right. It would be totally do-able to have a tread for spin on the right and a good traction normal tread on my left shoe. This is a very minor obstacle for a manufacture to create a Disc Golf only shoe. Whats the point of a Disc Golf shoe if its not actually any better for Disc Golf than any normal hiking shoe.

Look at Ball Golf cleats, football cleats, soccer cleats, bicycle shoes, mountain climbing shoes, they all are unique to there sport.
This is my vision for a Disc Golf shoe, unique to promote our sport. Progress our sport. Promote good foot work for our game. ??? does that not make sense?

[Karl]

Keith,

You may think I'm arguing with you (I'm not) - taking the "other side" of the discussion, but a few things.

# 1

You said:

"Look at Ball Golf cleats, football cleats, soccer cleats, bicycle shoes, mountain climbing shoes, they all are unique to there sport."

Now while your statement is true, have you really looked at the sports which you've stated here. Every one is done while on ONE substrate! Golf = grass. Football = grass OR synthetic turf (but never both at the same time). Soccer = same as football. Bicycle = clip a/o clip-less pedals (can't do both at the same time). Mountain climbing = rock (and if you're doing ice or 'mixed' you'd put on crampons).
DG is different! We have to be able to "handle" both grass AND rubber / concrete. Because of this, what we wear will never be perfect for all scenarios.

# 2

I never said the 'tread has to spin' (and, by the way, the T&F shoes I mentioned DON'T have tread that spin, they have tread that allows for 'spinning'...but they aren't used on grass).

# 3

You also stated:

"This is a very minor obstacle for a manufacture to create a Disc Golf only shoe."

I'm guessing that you don't work closely enough with either finance nor with R&D - because if you did, you'd know that unless a company can see PROFIT at the end of the tunnel, the "very minor obstacle" - no matter HOW minor - isn't worth it.

Bottom line:

You may have some good ideas but in today's business environment, if you want something made commercially, you had better make it 'worth their while' or you're not getting your wish.

Karl

[John Keith]

no i understand, i appreciate what your saying. And yes I have played all the sports I listed and have worn all types of these shoes..
Soccer has grass cleats, indoor treads and wet weather treads.
football has grass, and turf.
Bicycle has clip in and clip ins that you can run in for iron man triathlon events.

I guess my point is that I just want to see, or design myself a disc golf shoe that actually is tread designed for what we do. not walking not running but twisting and teeing off and planting foot for drives. in grass, concrete and or rubber. I believe it can be done. I just keep seeing very general hiking type treads and these all wear down real quick with what we do. if we had a designed tread for or throw I think it would help and golfers would rep it. Is there a big mass market..well of course not. thats the entire "hold back" for our corporate progression sponsorship. if we had a big market we would have alot more sponsorship for our sport. So im glad to see a shoe for us and i realize its a slow steady progression.

[JohnLambert]

Originally Posted by ChrisWoj

Avery do you know if they have anyone testing them that has issues with dragging their foot on the follow through? I need to know if the shoe can hold up on both sides along the metatarsals.

Always the first place to fail for me. But I haven't tried KEEN yet. No matter how much I spend on North Face, Merrell, or Salomon, they all fail within 3 months. I'd really like to see some reviews from disc golfers.

[Aviar7495]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Is this the same "on the brink" that we got from Solomon? Seems to me this is good for disc golf, great for touring players that need free shoes.

First off, the only thing that we ever got from Salomon was just product. They supported us but did not support the sport. Not a good mix.

On the other hand, Keen makes superior products and not only supports us but the sport as well. Like I said they sponsor the biggest tournaments in our sport and have plans to sponsor more in 2010 granted that they see support and a market in Disc Golf.

[gippy]

Will they be releasing more of the MILOS anytime soon I see all they have are size 7.5? Sorry if you have answered this all ready A.J. I love my KEENS and would really like to get my hands on these to show them support for getting involed with our sport

[Aviar7495]

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

ive always wondered if a disc golf shoe company could think outside the box and design a tread for disc golf. all shoe treads are designed for walking, running and hiking...not for our patented spin release from a drive on a tee box. what if a shoe designed a tread with the twist of a discgolfers release in mind???? if anything its my idea for a disc golf shoe.

Originally Posted by Karl

Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.

3. If you put the spin area on BOTH shoes, see 1. above.

Just some thoughts...not saying it couldn't be done....

Karl

What you both have to keep in mind is that it takes $150,000+ to make such a Disc Golf shoe from the ground up with such specifications. It takes slightly less then that to take an existing shoe and make such changes to the grip and reinforcements to the upper.

But the research and development will take place in designing such a shoe when Keen realizes that there is a sustainable market in Disc Golf.

Support the companies that support Disc Golf and this will happen.

[Aviar7495]

Originally Posted by gippy

Will they be releasing more of the MILOS anytime soon I see all they have are size 7.5? Sorry if you have answered this all ready A.J. I love my KEENS and would really like to get my hands on these to show them support for getting involed with our sport

No Worries, but like I said before - They release on November 20th.

Until then, they just show the first size available. They will have 1500 for sale on that date and will make more when the initial run is sold out.

So lets sell through these before Christmas and request that they make more.

[33009]

THEY ARE AVAILABLE NOW (TODAY 18TH NOV) i just ordered mine. the customer service lady said there are 500 pairs only. This is a one time run she said. maybe a sales ploy, but i still ordered mine. 5-7 days baby

[disc54]

Originally Posted by 33009

THEY ARE AVAILABLE NOW (TODAY 18TH NOV) i just ordered mine. the customer service lady said there are 500 pairs only. This is a one time run she said. maybe a sales ploy, but i still ordered mine. 5-7 days baby

Received my Milos on 11/09/09, they rock !!! They are so comfortable and lite in weight. So long Merrells...........

[dgdave]

I should find out how they feel in 5-7 days

[bravo]

how do keen shoes run size wize??? are they a narrow or wide standard? i cant find a sizing chart on their site.

[gippy]

About Med. I wear size 10 and my feet are narrow I bought 2 pairs of Keens Now and got size 10s with no prob.

[bravo]

is the toe box area loose or tight?
during a long round of golf my feet tend to swell at the lower joints of the toes.
i have found that boots with a more squared toe are more long time comfortable.
the merrels i have are usually comfortable during the morning rounds then i have to loosen the laces during the afternoon rounds.

[mrspank]

Originally Posted by bravo

is the toe box area loose or tight?
during a long round of golf my feet tend to swell at the lower joints of the toes.
i have found that boots with a more squared toe are more long time comfortable.
the merrels i have are usually comfortable during the morning rounds then i have to loosen the laces during the afternoon rounds.

keens have a deep, wide toe box. roomier than the merrell chameleons i have as far as toes are concerned. waiting for some reviews of these milos as peoples' orders start to trickle in over the next few weeks.

[dgdave]

I'll give you mine in 3-5 business days

[J_VanOver]

Under activities on the specs page it says Trail Running and Hiking. What about DISC GOLF? Isn't that what Keen is touting that it is for on the description page? I own a pair of Keen's that I really like so don't get me wrong, but the marketing department dropped the ball on this one. If you are going to market to it than really commit to it.

[dgdave]

I got mine today and have worn them around town the last 4 hours and they are super comfy. The heels are a little loose, but once I got my orthotic insoles in, they are great. Also, they are grey, not white.

[DiscGolfTravelerRon]

I have been wearing my hiking shoes when I DG. They are low-tops and they are light weight. I have never had a problem with them.

Although...$110 is a really good price for a hiking shoe. I'd like to hear how they work out.

[JerryChesterson]

Originally Posted by disc54

Received my Milos on 11/09/09, they rock !!! They are so comfortable and lite in weight. So long Merrells...........

I'd hang on to those merrells. I got these today and am less than impressed with the soles. The sole at the heel area, which is always a spot that wears out frist and sometimes will come detached from the bottom of the shoe, is only about an 1/8 of an inch thick. I fully expect this to be the first part that fails and tears off. This is same area that failed on my last set of keens.

That said they are very comfortable. Let's hope they hold up.

[LastBoyScout]

watching with anticipation.... and waiting on some high tops....

[dgdave]

I like mine a lot so far. I've got 8 or so rounds in with them. The keen dry works very well. Great traction on wet/dry pads and grass. No wear showing so far either.

[JerryChesterson]

Has anyone who has these had the area where the black and grey meet show any signs of bleeding? I wore mine twice and the black area is bleeding into the grey area. It looks really unsightly and I'm thinking of sending them back but I want to know if its just my pair of an issue with the shoe in general.

[two5twosix9]

I had my Salomons sole blow out after 3 months and I returned them to REI but decided on a new jacket instead of another pair of shoes that might last another few months. I have a hard time with any shoe that has a 2 piece sole. I am greatful for REI's return policy. I am going to support keen on this one but am very concerned with the soles. How has this part of the shoe held up through field testing?

[two5twosix9]

Anybody know keens return policy?