Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[discchucker]

Dave....since the Champion Stingray is no longer going to be produced, is there a chance that we could see it in the pro plastic? Or do you think that it would have the same issues as the champion?

And second...do you think we will ever get to see the Gremlin again? Especially in the champion or pro plastic?

[davei]

robj, Felix is correct. This has to include the proper meaning of stabilize. The spin tries to keep the disc from turning either way. More spin may add some additional turn resistance. The turnover most throwers get when they throw harder with high speed stable discs, is usually from off axis torque or flutter. There doesn't have to be much to screw up the air flow and if there is a problem with off axis torque, it is usually made worse throwing directly into a wind. The case was the same when I was throwing distance in the old days with Frisbees, except off axis torque would destroy the throw instead of just flip it a little. A clean (no flutter) throw would hold its line, but a dirty throw would flip and roll. Todays discs have more rim mass compared to flight plate mass which adds gyroscopic damping of off axis torque.

[davei]

discchucker, the Stingray mold makes it difficult to mold in any plastic including Pro. The Gremlin may be back at some point in a special run, but not likely in a stock item.

i never thought of it like that. dave your a genious.

Thanks Dave -- reading your answer is a treat. Let me know if my reading of your answer sounds right and where I might be selectively interpreting --

one can put a huge amount of spin on a disc and not flip it provided the torque is not off axis. Modern disc technology INNOVAtions do not punish throws with off-axis torque the way old-school discs once did because the increased rim mass dampens down the effects of off-axis torque. These INNOVAtions lead to greater consistency when throwing discs into winds and when putting a lot of power into throws. These INNOVAtions also enable players to get away with [some] off-axis torque provided they throw discs that are sufficiently stable. However, throwing an understable disc with a lot of spin and power without flipping it is quite possible IF it involves very good technique with very little off-axis torque.

Btw, if the Champion Stingray is being discontinued, has production already ceased and do the warehouses still have them in stock?

[vinnie]

try the Q Sentinel.
Very stable and PROdictable

[pterodactyl]

What Innova mold is the Millennium QJLS?

its based off of the leopard mold.

[20460chase]

what about the EXP?

I was told that the EXP was a variation of the Banshee... Can anyone verify that?

Yes that is true. i think Dave was talking about this just a couple days ago on here.

try the Q Sentinel.
Very stable and PROdictable

I second that. the q-sentinal (aka cobraX) is quite stable even at high speeds.

[davei]

Robj, yes the Champion Stingray is still in stock, but production has stopped. Your answer is correct, but the understable disc will still turn, just not bail and roll.

[colin-evans]

Dave...
I have a small background in the aerospace industry.. I was wondering what your understanding of air pressure and disc flight. An airplaines wing is an airfoil (domey on top and flat on bottom... ) decreasing air pressure on top as air moves over it giving lift... Most discs have a dome on top.. but bottoms vary. which is what i am trying to figure out why does a curvy wing (lip) seem to create more overstability.. and a less curvy lip more understability... what would happen to a disc thats underside mirrored the top.... thanks in advance

colin evans

[davei]

bandsagger, if you're talking about the lip mirroring the top, it would become less stable. If you are talking about the entire bottom mirroring the top to become a discus, it would have less drag and less stability. I believe the trend in aerodynamics today is to discount the low pressure on top theory in favor of a higher pressure on bottom due to pitch theory. Think about a balsa wing model airplane, or a paper airplane with flat wings.

[bfunkyp]

Dave,
is the DX Aviar Putt & Approach the big bead or small bead? And could you please define the "bead." I still get confused by this.

[davei]

bfunkyp, the Aviar Putt & Approach is the small bead. The bead is the little ridge next to the bottom of the bevel of the rim. Originally, the bevel was completely flat.

Dave, I post very infrequently, In fact it has been nearly a year since I posted in this area with the same question. Do you have any plans for a Champion Gator. You mentioned last year that it might possibly be a fundraising disc. I am patiently waiting with my fingers crossed.

P.S. - Thank you so much for the Worlds Super Rocs.

Nevermind. I found where you answered that question about 3 weeks ago. Thanks.

[jaymo]

so dave, Dx Orc soon??? have you guys run them yet, stamped them???

thanks

[flynvegas]

[QUOTE]
so dave, Dx Orc soon??? have you guys run them yet, stamped them???[/quote

Please stamp them with the Football stamp. If not that classic stamp the Champion Star would be great.

i promise i'll buy 5 if you guys stamp them with some old school stamp for the first run.

[dannyreeves]

Dave, did you ever make any Pro Valks?

[davei]

DX Orc is next up. Pro Valk has been delayed slightly until its machine gets a new part. About 2 weeks or so.

The Valkyrie Machine,

[Znash]

As far as the Starfires go: we still have white in the older type, but the colored are almost all new type and next run will be all new type. I will try to post when the new Orcs are run.

Dave I would like to know that the difference is between the old and the new starfires.
Thank you in advance.
Zacchaeus Nash

[davei]

znash, there is only a slight difference. The original Starfires would keep a good hyzer or anhyzer, but were touchy going straight. The new ones are easier to throw straight and transition more smothly from hyzer to anhyzer throws. As far as telling the difference just by looking... I am not sure. It is possible that the beveled edge of the newer ones is slightly more concave to the eye.

This MAY not be a suitable question but has innova ever made star stamped avairs (p&a), Im looking for some in white, heavier weights, 172g+

thanks in advance

[davei]

ill4mation, we did, but I don't know how many. It could have been only a few. I remember I was putting with star stamped Aviars, but I might have stamped them myself just because I liked the stamp at the time.

[flynvegas]

That sounds right, I've never seen a Star stamped Aviar. I have seen Football stamped Aviars. Bring back these great stamps, please.