Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 93

Dec 06 2004, 09:13 AM

Not inferring anything here at all, but the question concerning a DX Orc seems to be ignored everytime it comes up.

I am personally interested in a DX Orc for distance competitions. In golf I have up to now thrown my Champion Orc at 430ft, my Champion Beast about 425ft. However I can get over 450ft with a DX Beast in Distance Competitions. I am hoping that a DX Orc will go farther for me like the Champion Orc vs the Champion Beast.

I am just waiting and hoping for a release. If not I will just stick to the DX Beast.

slowmo_1 · Dec 06 2004, 11:21 AM

This one is a little out of left field so forgive me ahead of time. I have recently gotten my girlfriend interested in playing and of all the discs of mine she has thrown she like my ancient Barracuda (186g) the best. She seems to like discs larger lips like the new disctance stuff but doesn't like the hard left turn she gets from them. I have a 146g JK Valk for her and she likes it ok, but still throws straighter and farther with that darned old Barracuda. Any suggestions as to what to try to get her that is similar?

Dec 06 2004, 11:22 AM

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jaymo, we are thinking about doing a dx Orc within the next month or so.

20460chase · Dec 06 2004, 11:52 AM

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Hi Dave...Was there 1st run Blueberry Leopards? Also, I might have asked this but, I have a Aviar from 92' Worlds Biggest and its a Soft BB....are these basically soft KCs? Thank you for your time.

Dec 06 2004, 12:31 PM

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jaymo, we are thinking about doing a dx Orc within the next month or so.

Thanks, I could not find the answer on the thread myself.

davei · Dec 06 2004, 12:49 PM

slowmo, I would stay with the lighter weights. Maybe a lighter weight Sidewinder would be better for her than a light Valkyrie at some point in time. As we run more Sidewinders, the lighter weights will come available. Unfortunately the first of the light weight Sidewinders were not all that flippy. Hopefully, the next batch will be flippier.

davei · Dec 06 2004, 12:53 PM

Chase, yes there were some Blueberry Leopards, but not many. I don't remember the 1992 big beads. It is not necessarily a driver mold. It may be the putter mold with a big bead.

ChunkyleeChong · Dec 06 2004, 01:27 PM

Hey dave,wondering if you can help me out with a disc.I have an Aviar disc weighing 133. It is yellow with a gold stamp.It says Aviar on it across the middle with a bunch of rings around it.also it says for disc sports by innova.What it does not say is PDGA approved on it.
what is this disc and when was it made?is it legal for play?thanks

davei · Dec 06 2004, 01:35 PM

Chucky, it is legal for play. It may be 20 years old. It was the first of our packaged discs sold in sporting goods stores. If it is the older version, it will have no bead at all.

Sharky · Dec 06 2004, 01:48 PM

I am getting ready to pick up some sidewinders at 166 grams, my preferred weight in drivers. I was considering stocking up on them as I am pretty sure I will like the disc. Perhaps I should back off a little in how many I get.

Now to my real question. Do you consider any 166's that were made to be in the (paraphrasing) "light weights that are more stable" discs or were you referring to even lighter sidewinders? Thanks.

davei · Dec 06 2004, 02:28 PM

sharky, I was referring to lighter weights. The high sixties and low 70s seemed to be consistently the best performing.

20460chase · Dec 06 2004, 05:49 PM

As always Dave, thank you.

NEngle · Dec 07 2004, 11:22 AM

Dave, have you thought about a Pro Beast?

davei · Dec 07 2004, 12:21 PM

NEngle, we're running them now.

bfunkyp · Dec 07 2004, 12:40 PM

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NEngle, we're running them now.

When and where will they be available?????

atreau3 · Dec 07 2004, 12:46 PM

would "why" be an appropriate question?

davei · Dec 07 2004, 01:26 PM

bfunkyp, the new run should be available widely in two weeks.

Plankeye · Dec 07 2004, 01:29 PM

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would "why" be an appropriate question?

Haha...The Champ beasts are flippy already...what are you trying to do make a beast that would be a great roller?

atreau3 · Dec 07 2004, 01:30 PM

exactly...!

(_..no offense intended dave.._)

jaymo · Dec 07 2004, 08:40 PM

but what about the Dx Orcs people??? that's the money disc! When where, and how (do they fly) these are the questions we should all be asking. I live in one of the rainiest places in the WORLD! and Dx is essential. The Pro orcs are pretty sweet, but I have to augment that with a little Dx Beast, but I am always flipping them, and they DO NOT come back.

ohh well I guess I'll just have to wait, but until then, do you guys have a graphic yet?

Dec 07 2004, 09:22 PM

Dave, Have you thought abought a GLO Orc?

Cdale600 · Dec 07 2004, 10:28 PM

Glow drivers is definitely an area where more selection would be appreciated. We glow once a week and the only thing I could find that wasn't a leopard or an eagle was a tee-bird. Nice disc but I only get 70-80% of the D I get with my Orcs and Beasts. Either one of those in glow would be rad.

Now the glow Roc...what a sweet disc.

jaymo · Dec 07 2004, 11:43 PM

there are glow beasts.... apparently

davei · Dec 08 2004, 07:03 AM

We were discussing a longer range glo disc, but decided that it would be the easiest to lose as it is the farthest flying and would generally be able to hide the best. We nixed it at that point, but I am sure, if we made them, people would at least try them and give us feedback.

20460chase · Dec 10 2004, 11:24 AM

Mr. Dave, Im sorry for badgering you about this but on Ebay there is a guy selling Orcs as 1st run. He says that all 1st runs were White and have a "belly button" on the top of the plate.I have asked him several times how he determined this but will not answer me.I informed him that your response was that there really wasnt a definitive way to tell.I ask because I have a really tall stack of Orcs that were bought out of the first recieved shipments to our local club.The person who does the ordering is very much on top of Innovas product releases and works them on the phone.He has a long standing relationship with them and gets alot of sweet plastic.I really dont want to get rid of any of these if they are truly first runs.Any help? Also, I have a CE Firebird that is dayglo and just a strait "F"but appears to be a FX. In what runs were the FX markings dropped?

WakandaRat · Dec 10 2004, 11:40 AM

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Mr. Dave, Im sorry for badgering you about this but on Ebay there is a guy selling Orcs as 1st run. He says that all 1st runs were White and have a "belly button" on the top of the plate.I have asked him several times how he determined this but will not answer me.I informed him that your response was that there really wasnt a definitive way to tell.I ask because I have a really tall stack of Orcs that were bought out of the first recieved shipments to our local club.The person who does the ordering is very much on top of Innovas product releases and works them on the phone.He has a long standing relationship with them and gets alot of sweet plastic.I really dont want to get rid of any of these if they are truly first runs.Any help? Also, I have a CE Firebird that is dayglo and just a strait "F"but appears to be a FX. In what runs were the FX markings dropped?

I thinks its BS, Has INNOVA ever made a run of just one color? I think it would be highly unlikely

Is there a run difference between the Clearer Orcs and the More Pearl one?

esalazar · Dec 10 2004, 12:27 PM

is there a current stability chart for all the new runs , molds ,and plastics?

vwkeepontruckin · Dec 10 2004, 12:32 PM

Has innova ever used a stamp to specify 1st run as Gateway and Discraft do? I think its a great idea, especially when people freak out about certain runs.

davei · Dec 10 2004, 12:55 PM

chase, the first run Orc had other colors, as I recall. I had a pink and green that I was throwing. As for telling the difference of 1st run Orcs and any other run, I have no idea, sorry. The Firebirds are all FX as F is FX. Only the first two runs or so were FL and said F, so only they could be confused, I believe. After that, FL was put on, or FX or subsequently F again to mean FX.

flynvegas · Dec 10 2004, 01:03 PM

I also bought 12 175g Orc's first day they were posted at DTW. I got all white and day glo. Then a few weeks later I dropped weight to 160g and got white, orange, yellow, blue, ........

I would prefer Innova put the Champion Star, Football, or Bar stamp on all first run discs.

Dec 06 2004, 09:13 AM	#2761
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Not inferring anything here at all, but the question concerning a DX Orc seems to be ignored everytime it comes up. I am personally interested in a DX Orc for distance competitions. In golf I have up to now thrown my Champion Orc at 430ft, my Champion Beast about 425ft. However I can get over 450ft with a DX Beast in Distance Competitions. I am hoping that a DX Orc will go farther for me like the Champion Orc vs the Champion Beast. I am just waiting and hoping for a release. If not I will just stick to the DX Beast.

Dec 06 2004, 11:21 AM	#2762
slowmo_1 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 338	Re: Question for Dave D This one is a little out of left field so forgive me ahead of time. I have recently gotten my girlfriend interested in playing and of all the discs of mine she has thrown she like my ancient Barracuda (186g) the best. She seems to like discs larger lips like the new disctance stuff but doesn't like the hard left turn she gets from them. I have a 146g JK Valk for her and she likes it ok, but still throws straighter and farther with that darned old Barracuda. Any suggestions as to what to try to get her that is similar?

Dec 06 2004, 12:49 PM	#2766
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D slowmo, I would stay with the lighter weights. Maybe a lighter weight Sidewinder would be better for her than a light Valkyrie at some point in time. As we run more Sidewinders, the lighter weights will come available. Unfortunately the first of the light weight Sidewinders were not all that flippy. Hopefully, the next batch will be flippier. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 06 2004, 12:53 PM	#2767
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Chase, yes there were some Blueberry Leopards, but not many. I don't remember the 1992 big beads. It is not necessarily a driver mold. It may be the putter mold with a big bead. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 06 2004, 01:27 PM	#2768
ChunkyleeChong Membership Expired Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: US Posts: 192	Re: Question for Dave D Hey dave,wondering if you can help me out with a disc.I have an Aviar disc weighing 133. It is yellow with a gold stamp.It says Aviar on it across the middle with a bunch of rings around it.also it says for disc sports by innova.What it does not say is PDGA approved on it. what is this disc and when was it made?is it legal for play?thanks

Dec 06 2004, 01:35 PM	#2769
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Chucky, it is legal for play. It may be 20 years old. It was the first of our packaged discs sold in sporting goods stores. If it is the older version, it will have no bead at all. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 06 2004, 01:48 PM	#2770
Sharky PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Laurel, Maryland Planet Earth Posts: 1,150	Re: Question for Dave D I am getting ready to pick up some sidewinders at 166 grams, my preferred weight in drivers. I was considering stocking up on them as I am pretty sure I will like the disc. Perhaps I should back off a little in how many I get. Now to my real question. Do you consider any 166's that were made to be in the (paraphrasing) "light weights that are more stable" discs or were you referring to even lighter sidewinders? Thanks.

Dec 06 2004, 02:28 PM	#2771
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D sharky, I was referring to lighter weights. The high sixties and low 70s seemed to be consistently the best performing. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 06 2004, 05:49 PM	#2772
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D As always Dave, thank you. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Dec 07 2004, 11:22 AM	#2773
NEngle Community Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harbin Park Posts: 295	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, have you thought about a Pro Beast?

Dec 07 2004, 12:21 PM	#2774
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D NEngle, we're running them now. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 07 2004, 12:46 PM	#2776
atreau3 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,069	Re: Question for Dave D would "why" be an appropriate question? __________________ Bucks County Disc Golf Alliance NJ Disc Devils http://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Atreau3 www.bcdga.com www.discdevils.com

Dec 07 2004, 01:26 PM	#2777
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D bfunkyp, the new run should be available widely in two weeks. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 07 2004, 01:30 PM	#2779
atreau3 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,069	Re: Question for Dave D exactly...! (_..no offense intended dave.._) __________________ Bucks County Disc Golf Alliance NJ Disc Devils http://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Atreau3 www.bcdga.com www.discdevils.com

Dec 07 2004, 08:40 PM	#2780
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D but what about the Dx Orcs people??? that's the money disc! When where, and how (do they fly) these are the questions we should all be asking. I live in one of the rainiest places in the WORLD! and Dx is essential. The Pro orcs are pretty sweet, but I have to augment that with a little Dx Beast, but I am always flipping them, and they DO NOT come back. ohh well I guess I'll just have to wait, but until then, do you guys have a graphic yet? __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Dec 07 2004, 09:22 PM	#2781
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, Have you thought abought a GLO Orc?

Dec 07 2004, 10:28 PM	#2782
Cdale600 Community Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 186	Re: Question for Dave D Glow drivers is definitely an area where more selection would be appreciated. We glow once a week and the only thing I could find that wasn't a leopard or an eagle was a tee-bird. Nice disc but I only get 70-80% of the D I get with my Orcs and Beasts. Either one of those in glow would be rad. Now the glow Roc...what a sweet disc.

Dec 07 2004, 11:43 PM	#2783
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D there are glow beasts.... apparently __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Dec 08 2004, 07:03 AM	#2784
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D We were discussing a longer range glo disc, but decided that it would be the easiest to lose as it is the farthest flying and would generally be able to hide the best. We nixed it at that point, but I am sure, if we made them, people would at least try them and give us feedback. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 10 2004, 11:24 AM	#2785
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Mr. Dave, Im sorry for badgering you about this but on Ebay there is a guy selling Orcs as 1st run. He says that all 1st runs were White and have a "belly button" on the top of the plate.I have asked him several times how he determined this but will not answer me.I informed him that your response was that there really wasnt a definitive way to tell.I ask because I have a really tall stack of Orcs that were bought out of the first recieved shipments to our local club.The person who does the ordering is very much on top of Innovas product releases and works them on the phone.He has a long standing relationship with them and gets alot of sweet plastic.I really dont want to get rid of any of these if they are truly first runs.Any help? Also, I have a CE Firebird that is dayglo and just a strait "F"but appears to be a FX. In what runs were the FX markings dropped? __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Dec 10 2004, 12:27 PM	#2787
esalazar Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: central texas Posts: 6,355	Re: Question for Dave D is there a current stability chart for all the new runs , molds ,and plastics? __________________ !!!!REST IN PEACE Ricky Wright !!

Dec 10 2004, 12:32 PM	#2788
vwkeepontruckin PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Anytown USA Posts: 1,583	Re: Question for Dave D Has innova ever used a stamp to specify 1st run as Gateway and Discraft do? I think its a great idea, especially when people freak out about certain runs.

Dec 10 2004, 12:55 PM	#2789
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D chase, the first run Orc had other colors, as I recall. I had a pink and green that I was throwing. As for telling the difference of 1st run Orcs and any other run, I have no idea, sorry. The Firebirds are all FX as F is FX. Only the first two runs or so were FL and said F, so only they could be confused, I believe. After that, FL was put on, or FX or subsequently F again to mean FX. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 10 2004, 01:03 PM	#2790
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	Re: Question for Dave D I also bought 12 175g Orc's first day they were posted at DTW. I got all white and day glo. Then a few weeks later I dropped weight to 160g and got white, orange, yellow, blue, ........ I would prefer Innova put the Champion Star, Football, or Bar stamp on all first run discs.

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