Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[hazard]

Candy Aeros? They fly EXACTLY how you throw them. Unless you either throw the bediddly out of them (turn over) or put nothing on them at all (fade a bit).

Just watch the glide. If you're not used to it the disc might go happily sailing by two feet directly above the basket and land a rather startling distance beyond it.

as rich says i have candy aeros to benefit the old dominion showdown. also champ starfires, champ tl's, champ glo eagles and banshees, and a few ce gazelles. i will also include a (very cool) poster for the price of $25. buy 3 or more and price drops to $20.

jbiscoe2@earthlink.net

[Dick]

john are you playing the picnic? if so bring me an aero. i can't stand it anymore!

rich- i regret to say i will not be there. wvo was likely my only sanctioned event for the year. i will be working at loriella this sunday to prep for the showdown. i will be at the tournament at walnut creek outside of charlottesville the next saturday- the course went in last year and only has 9 permanent baskets as of yet. all 18 fairways are cut and all will be used for the tourney. $5 of each entry goes to the basket fund so there is a good cause involved. it wouldn't be THAT bad a drive from the dc area.

otherwise you'll just have to skip that wedding and come to the showdown. [img]/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif[/img]

[Dick]

i wish, maybe i can just send money with a calvertarian to bring me back one. can you save me one?

you got it.

is the plastic used in the pro line rhyno the same as the se ones.....if not more or less stiff?

Mr. Dunnipace: Please please please make a candy Zephyr. Please. I'll even let you call it the "Erik Wilson Pro Zephyr"


Thank you very much.

[davei]

T. Fluviatilis, the plastic is almost the same. It is a newer type of the same stuff.

Hey Dave, are you guys riding this Friday? I am up for a leisurely stroll. DD

[davei]

DD, yes. Marshall Canyon starting at the Mills road parking lot around 3:30 pm. AKA Claremont Wilderness Park.

Dave,
what's up with those discs Made in China?
I got one of those IN-Step baskets today. Came with three discs, and on the bottom it said "Made in China". What's up with that? The patent does not protect Innova from cheap stuff entering the country?

[20460chase]

Hey Dave--Thanks for the Viking,i have been destroying it recently{thanks Clark}and had a few questions for you,not about the gremlim,ha.Anyway how many variations are there of the eagle/leopard?My friend has a KC that he got from the lynx guy in KC in 02 and last night i saw what i beleve was a CE eagle/leopard,and it also just had a standard E on the bottom.Also how common is it to get a CE firebird that is a unlabed FX? A friend and i stumbled across a goldmine in Iowa and he bought all the back stock this included several CE firebirds some marked F some marked FX{and 3 SE TLs,flat top Valks and First run CE leopards}all of these were from the season before and he was unloading them all for no premium.Could they have come at the same time or were they releasded at differnt times?I first saw FXs and FLs{i throw}at the same time.any thoughts?Thank you.

[davei]

chase, I don't know what you mean by variations of ELs. We did run a glow candy EL run within the last year. We ran Eagles as ELs in candy originally, but we switched later to the present Champion E to maintain flight consistency. We did run DX ELs once accidently. As far as the FX: we originally ran FLs, but switched to FXs again to maintain flight consistency. The first run after we switched to FXs were labeled. Subsequent runs weren't, but all have been FXs. FXs and FLs could have been around at the same time, but they were not made at the same time. FLs came first. There really is no physical thing as an FX, we just labeled it as such to differentiate from the FLs. It is really a normal F.

[20460chase]

Mr D---okay my friend has a KC eagle[10x]that has a leopard rim and i have another friend that has a CE eagle that also appears to have a leopard rim so i guess my question is on availibility of these discs.Althogh i had seen the KC "ELs" i had never heard reference to the CE version nor the DX you talked about.Do you think youll make FLs again? It took me over a year to beat that disc in and learn its traits,now they are so rare its hard for me to throw it without the thoght of losing it so its spending its days on the wall with a half dozen SE TLs and a SE super Roc.I really did like the FLs alot.So which FXs have the stretched rims?Were they the first runs because they were labled FX? I dont know if stretched is the right word but they have a smaller dome that flatens a inch or so in from the rim and they feel more like a Discraft Xtreme[?]i think i dont throw any discraft ,but i have only seen them in lighter weights like 168-170s and have only seen a few.Thanks again for letting me pick your brain,ill save some questions for next time professor-P.S.- I spread your words like the gospel so if you got anything new coming out lemme know.Much respect.Gremlins rule.

[davei]

All EL runs are relatively old except the Champion Glow EL. This means we don't have them, but they're out there somewhere. We will run the glow again. As for the FLs, they were the first two runs and the KCs which were quite flippy. After that, they were all Fs, which were called Fxs at first. Not sure if we will run them again, but it could happen. I personally liked the first run FLS. Champion Panthers and Champion Mini Aeros and Aviars are the newest stuff.

Dave,

I have a tye-dyed, USDGC-stamped CE Valkyrie (the one that was included in the player's package). I've been told by a few people that the CE Valks in the player's package from that year were all Second Run. Do you know whether or not that was the case?

As always, thank you for your reply.

[davei]

Felix, sorry I don't remember them. The only tie dye USDGC I can remember was a Leopard, I think that was last year or the year before. If it was a clear tie dye, I don't think it could have been from the second run. The second run was pretty flat and stable and opaque, as I remember.

[bschweberger]

Felix, 2001 we got Dyed CE Valks, 2002 we got dyed Pro line Leopards.
The valks were 3rd or 4th run, very flippy.
Schweb

[20460chase]

Thanks Dave,I also liked the FLs-nice long flight and a good glide at the end just like a fast TL.Thank you for the quick and full response.you the man.

[discndat]

Dave, sometime in the 90's there was a disc that was somewhere inbetween the Birdie and the Zephyr in diameter and it had the same Thumbtrac. I think there was only one run or so of them. Do you know what that disc is?

[mattdisc]

Dan, its the Gopher which I have 2 of.

[davei]

Dan, Matt is correct, but I am not sure which version he has. Most likely, the first version as I don't recall running golf weight in the present version. The first version had a thin Thumtrac and was barely stable. The second version looks like a Zephyr or Birdie (current versions), and flies very stable.

Dave and Brian, thanks for the info. I thought the disc looked and felt too domey to be a Second Run. Oh well, good thing I didn't pay Second Run price for it.

Dave,
What is the deal with the L marking, some people say it stands for leopard bottom???? Do these discs have leopard bottoms? I have always thought the L only stood for less stable, but I'm constantly hearing otherwise.

Rob

Rob, the L stands for 'longer/straighter', or something like that.

Rob,

Dave has answered this question several times in the past. Your understanding is correct: the "L" stands for "less stable," not "Leopard bottom" (although once, he wrote it stood for "less stable, leopard-like"). The people who are telling you it stands for "Leopard bottom" are ignoramuses.

[davei]

Hi Rob, Felix is correct, as usual.

Dave,
I find that my bag is ALMOST exclusively Innova these days, with one exception (I've actually got issues with that one disc, but it also serves a purpose that I can't seem to replace), and I was wondering if you might give me some feedback.
I started a thread just a few minutes ago, in the throwing techniques section about it "Alternatives to 'spike' drives"; if you could take a look, I'd greatly appreciate it.

-Daniel

[davei]

Daniel, I would say the same thing Sweeb did. We have other discs like the Whippet X, Viper X, and especially the Ram X, that are more overstable, but the Firebird and the Monster are much faster. A spike shot doesn't glide much, so if you need distance with your spike shot, the Monster is our fastest overstable disc. The Firebird is our next fastest overstable disc. Second run flat Valkyries were pretty good too, but they are very hard to find.