Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 68

20460chase · Jul 11 2004, 06:06 PM

Hello Dave..About the Champion ORCs..I have 4 max weights and just lost my oldest one.It was blue with purple swearls in the inner rim and was almost clear plastic.I got this around Icebowl of this past year and after deciding it was amazin I bought 4 more but only one was of the clearer type plastic the rest were a pearl like plastic and are different flyers new. The clear stuff goes on and on while the pearl is more overstable.Is it just me or has anyone else brought this to your attention?After I lost my First blue I threw a pearl peach max weight and couldnt get close in the distances I got before.This went on for two weeks until I finally pulled out another clear blue only without the color swirl and got even better distance than the original I lost.The pearl seems exactly like the Pro plastic I assumed was discontinued and havent had much luck finding more clear max weights.Any insight you can add?Or anyone else reading the thread?Thanks.

gokayaksteven · Jul 11 2004, 07:52 PM

i am not a fan of the pearl at all---clear seems to grip better and have more dome. the frustrating thing about champion discs is having to actually see and feel the discs to know what you are getting. mail order does not work. hopefully all champions are becoming clear? dave?

davei · Jul 12 2004, 07:59 AM

discspeed, thanks for the heads up on the chart. No, neither of those discs have been discontinued, just oversights.

davei · Jul 12 2004, 08:03 AM

cornflake, I can't be sure which you are referring to, but the heavies are usually a little stiffer than the lights. Could be a number of things that caused the difference, but I don't know which is correct. That being said, the plastic is the same as a Champion Beast for comparison.

davei · Jul 12 2004, 08:08 AM

Hawk, it could be either way, unfortunately. Sometimes the molders continue to mark the current disc with the previous run marking as they had been doing it for a thousand of discs. Sometimes the discs get put in the wrong boxes, and sometimes the hotstampers screw up.

Jul 12 2004, 02:31 PM

Dave,

I recently went to Wimberly,TX's pro shop, and found on the rack of Orcs, a few gummy plastic Orcs. You know what I'm referring to, I'm sure. I've found Monsters, and Beasts in the same plastic, you know, the really light stuff. Can you shed some light on this subject for everyone here, because I'm not aware of how exactly you guys release these gummy plastics discs with the regular champion stuff.

davei · Jul 12 2004, 02:36 PM

Krevo, for the fastest disc like Orcs, Starfires, Mosters, and Beasts. there is always some gummy plastic mixed in. Sometimes more than others depending on what the molder of the day is doing. We generally try to put as little in as we need, but instructions don't always get followed. The gummy stuff lightens up the mix, otherwise the Monsters, et al would be overweight.

boru · Jul 12 2004, 02:38 PM

Dave-

Is it possible to recycle old discs? I have a steadily growing collection of discs that are too beat or damaged to throw. It'd be great if there was a way to send those back to the manufacturers so the plastic could be used again.

davei · Jul 12 2004, 07:47 PM

boru, yes, it is possible, but only a little at a time due to various factors like compatibility, degredation (UV), contamination, feeding, colors, etc.

20460chase · Jul 13 2004, 04:51 PM

Dave?

Jul 14 2004, 01:43 AM

Hi Dave,

Are you participating in the Masters Overall SCF / MTA?
I heard that John Kirkland threw a 13.22s MTA to set a new world record for the 55 year and older age division. I think the finals are Thursday or Friday...

davei · Jul 14 2004, 07:24 AM

robj, no, been too busy working.

Znash · Jul 15 2004, 12:12 PM

Dave, I was just wandering what the qualification are for sponsorship from Innova.
What do you look for I a sponsored player is it skill, sportsmanship, dedication, do you have to throw all Innova before your picked up, or is it a mix of them all.

If it is any or all of this qualities that you look for in a player, then, I think you should look at Rookie of the year candidate Matthew Blakely

P.S. He was just offered the Z-pack from Discraft.

dannyreeves · Jul 15 2004, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Dave, I was just wandering what the qualification are for sponsorship from Innova.
What do you look for I a sponsored player is it skill, sportsmanship, dedication, do you have to throw all Innova before your picked up, or is it a mix of them all.

If it is any or all of this qualities that you look for in a player, then, I think you should look at Rookie of the year candidate Matthew Blakely

P.S. He was just offered the Z-pack from Discraft.

What is a Z-pack?

Znash · Jul 15 2004, 01:33 PM

It's one of Discraft's (top dog) sponsorship pack (under getting a RV or your own disc) 150 disc, 2 polo's, 2 tee's 2 hats, 1000 disc at cost plus finishing bonuses.

dannyreeves · Jul 15 2004, 01:41 PM

Do you mean the Z team? From what I understand, there are 3 levels of sponsorship. D, X, Z. Most start at D and move up as they do well in tournaments. I could see how a player of his caliber would start at Z.

Chris Hysell · Jul 15 2004, 01:47 PM

And M. Team

Why only 1000 discs at cost?

Don't forget the Corvette signing bonus.

jaymo · Jul 15 2004, 02:50 PM

why is he a rookie candidate?? I see he's been playing open since 2002... how's that rookie?

just asking, want to know.

thanks

matthewblakely · Jul 15 2004, 02:57 PM

In 2003 I was going to go to the am worlds and was unable to make it. I played two or three tournament before that in open trying to get use to good competition. Of course I wasn't good enough yet and didn't cash, so I was still considered an am. It's just like the people who stepped up before an am worlds and declined cash, I just didn't get a chance to decline it.

Jul 16 2004, 01:20 AM

I may be a little biased having played recreational rounds before with Matt, but he is a quality guy who is young, dedicated, has serious D, and an impressive all-around game. Over the last year, imo he has displayed potential to be one of the top players in the world (as if i have the qualifications to say such a thing

)

davei · Jul 16 2004, 07:13 AM

Our sponsored players are usually a mix of things, but are primarily, if not entirely, Innova throwers before we consider them. A rating of about 1000+ and of good character. We ask people on the team or TDs for a referral in addition to the other factors. To make the Team Champion Level requires a win in an A tier or NT, or a performance that indicates a win is soon to happen.

Znash · Jul 16 2004, 09:58 AM

Thanks for the info Dave. It sounds like Matt meets must of the qualities of your sponsored player.

my_hero · Jul 16 2004, 10:10 AM

<<< Z-Team member.

<<< Must not be good enough for the Vette.

<<< Must really suckk b/c i drive an '01 Altima SE

Chris Hysell · Jul 16 2004, 06:07 PM

All you had to do was ask. Keith's old Escort was available.

hawkgammon · Jul 16 2004, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Keith's old Escort was available.

Let's leave my girlfriend out of this.

Jul 16 2004, 10:52 PM

If Innova signs you up, you can probably request and receive several Stingrays, but they won't be Corvettes. I used to have an '82 vette (a Chevette).

Dave, on a Yahoo group dedicated to overall disc events, I heard rumors of a new (Innova) MTA disc. Are they just rumors?

mf100forever · Jul 17 2004, 09:16 AM

Hi Dave,
I read about the DX Viking coming out, I think it was in one of your newsletter from february or march. Do you now what the plans are, is it on the way or...?

davei · Jul 18 2004, 07:19 PM

robj, just a rumour

davei · Jul 18 2004, 07:21 PM

mf100, still in the works. We got behind molding other existing discs. The DX Viking will still have to wait several months, until we catch up.

testap · Jul 20 2004, 11:44 AM

Dave, Do you know where I can get some of the Vikings with the "Zipper" finish on them.. I am sure it has been discussed but I am just trying to locate some. Thx

Jul 11 2004, 06:06 PM	#2011
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Hello Dave..About the Champion ORCs..I have 4 max weights and just lost my oldest one.It was blue with purple swearls in the inner rim and was almost clear plastic.I got this around Icebowl of this past year and after deciding it was amazin I bought 4 more but only one was of the clearer type plastic the rest were a pearl like plastic and are different flyers new. The clear stuff goes on and on while the pearl is more overstable.Is it just me or has anyone else brought this to your attention?After I lost my First blue I threw a pearl peach max weight and couldnt get close in the distances I got before.This went on for two weeks until I finally pulled out another clear blue only without the color swirl and got even better distance than the original I lost.The pearl seems exactly like the Pro plastic I assumed was discontinued and havent had much luck finding more clear max weights.Any insight you can add?Or anyone else reading the thread?Thanks. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Jul 11 2004, 07:52 PM	#2012
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Re: Question for Dave D i am not a fan of the pearl at all---clear seems to grip better and have more dome. the frustrating thing about champion discs is having to actually see and feel the discs to know what you are getting. mail order does not work. hopefully all champions are becoming clear? dave?

Jul 12 2004, 07:59 AM	#2013
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D discspeed, thanks for the heads up on the chart. No, neither of those discs have been discontinued, just oversights. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 12 2004, 08:03 AM	#2014
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D cornflake, I can't be sure which you are referring to, but the heavies are usually a little stiffer than the lights. Could be a number of things that caused the difference, but I don't know which is correct. That being said, the plastic is the same as a Champion Beast for comparison. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 12 2004, 08:08 AM	#2015
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D Hawk, it could be either way, unfortunately. Sometimes the molders continue to mark the current disc with the previous run marking as they had been doing it for a thousand of discs. Sometimes the discs get put in the wrong boxes, and sometimes the hotstampers screw up. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 12 2004, 02:31 PM	#2016
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I recently went to Wimberly,TX's pro shop, and found on the rack of Orcs, a few gummy plastic Orcs. You know what I'm referring to, I'm sure. I've found Monsters, and Beasts in the same plastic, you know, the really light stuff. Can you shed some light on this subject for everyone here, because I'm not aware of how exactly you guys release these gummy plastics discs with the regular champion stuff.

Jul 12 2004, 02:36 PM	#2017
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D Krevo, for the fastest disc like Orcs, Starfires, Mosters, and Beasts. there is always some gummy plastic mixed in. Sometimes more than others depending on what the molder of the day is doing. We generally try to put as little in as we need, but instructions don't always get followed. The gummy stuff lightens up the mix, otherwise the Monsters, et al would be overweight. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 12 2004, 02:38 PM	#2018
boru Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Far from Honolulu Posts: 340	Re: Question for Dave D Dave- Is it possible to recycle old discs? I have a steadily growing collection of discs that are too beat or damaged to throw. It'd be great if there was a way to send those back to the manufacturers so the plastic could be used again. __________________ Worth the trip.

Jul 12 2004, 07:47 PM	#2019
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D boru, yes, it is possible, but only a little at a time due to various factors like compatibility, degredation (UV), contamination, feeding, colors, etc. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 13 2004, 04:51 PM	#2020
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Dave? __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Jul 14 2004, 01:43 AM	#2021
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Hi Dave, Are you participating in the Masters Overall SCF / MTA? I heard that John Kirkland threw a 13.22s MTA to set a new world record for the 55 year and older age division. I think the finals are Thursday or Friday...

Jul 14 2004, 07:24 AM	#2022
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D robj, no, been too busy working. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 15 2004, 12:12 PM	#2023
Znash Membership Expired Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 501	How do you get sponsored by Innova? Dave, I was just wandering what the qualification are for sponsorship from Innova. What do you look for I a sponsored player is it skill, sportsmanship, dedication, do you have to throw all Innova before your picked up, or is it a mix of them all. If it is any or all of this qualities that you look for in a player, then, I think you should look at Rookie of the year candidate Matthew Blakely P.S. He was just offered the Z-pack from Discraft.

Jul 15 2004, 01:33 PM	#2025
Znash Membership Expired Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 501	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? It's one of Discraft's (top dog) sponsorship pack (under getting a RV or your own disc) 150 disc, 2 polo's, 2 tee's 2 hats, 1000 disc at cost plus finishing bonuses.

Jul 15 2004, 01:41 PM	#2026
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? Do you mean the Z team? From what I understand, there are 3 levels of sponsorship. D, X, Z. Most start at D and move up as they do well in tournaments. I could see how a player of his caliber would start at Z.

Jul 15 2004, 01:47 PM	#2027
Chris Hysell PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Richmond, Va. Posts: 2,686	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? And M. Team Why only 1000 discs at cost? Don't forget the Corvette signing bonus. __________________ NOTICE TO ALL FUTURE TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS Please confirm all of your plans with possible players prior to sanctioning your events to avoid the complaint they may file with the PDGA.

Jul 15 2004, 02:50 PM	#2028
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? why is he a rookie candidate?? I see he's been playing open since 2002... how's that rookie? just asking, want to know. thanks __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Jul 15 2004, 02:57 PM	#2029
matthewblakely PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 174	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? In 2003 I was going to go to the am worlds and was unable to make it. I played two or three tournament before that in open trying to get use to good competition. Of course I wasn't good enough yet and didn't cash, so I was still considered an am. It's just like the people who stepped up before an am worlds and declined cash, I just didn't get a chance to decline it.

Jul 16 2004, 01:20 AM	#2030
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? I may be a little biased having played recreational rounds before with Matt, but he is a quality guy who is young, dedicated, has serious D, and an impressive all-around game. Over the last year, imo he has displayed potential to be one of the top players in the world (as if i have the qualifications to say such a thing )

Jul 16 2004, 07:13 AM	#2031
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? Our sponsored players are usually a mix of things, but are primarily, if not entirely, Innova throwers before we consider them. A rating of about 1000+ and of good character. We ask people on the team or TDs for a referral in addition to the other factors. To make the Team Champion Level requires a win in an A tier or NT, or a performance that indicates a win is soon to happen. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 16 2004, 09:58 AM	#2032
Znash Membership Expired Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 501	Re: How do you get sponsored by Innova? Thanks for the info Dave. It sounds like Matt meets must of the qualities of your sponsored player.

Jul 16 2004, 10:10 AM	#2033
my_hero PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: What's a Loc:? Posts: 7,891	Re: Corvette signing bonus <<< Z-Team member. <<< Must not be good enough for the Vette. <<< Must really suckk b/c i drive an '01 Altima SE __________________ Discraft is Swirlicious! Par72DiscGolf.com A promise is a cloud; fulfillment is rain. No longer 1000 rated

Jul 16 2004, 06:07 PM	#2034
Chris Hysell PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Richmond, Va. Posts: 2,686	Re: Corvette signing bonus All you had to do was ask. Keith's old Escort was available. __________________ NOTICE TO ALL FUTURE TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS Please confirm all of your plans with possible players prior to sanctioning your events to avoid the complaint they may file with the PDGA.

Jul 16 2004, 10:52 PM	#2036
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D If Innova signs you up, you can probably request and receive several Stingrays, but they won't be Corvettes. I used to have an '82 vette (a Chevette). Dave, on a Yahoo group dedicated to overall disc events, I heard rumors of a new (Innova) MTA disc. Are they just rumors?

Jul 17 2004, 09:16 AM	#2037
mf100forever PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lulea Sweden Posts: 752	Dx Viking Hi Dave, I read about the DX Viking coming out, I think it was in one of your newsletter from february or march. Do you now what the plans are, is it on the way or...? __________________ (Disc)-gracefully yours, MF100forever # 3418 http://www.discgolfsweden.se/english/index.aspx

Jul 18 2004, 07:19 PM	#2038
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D robj, just a rumour __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 18 2004, 07:21 PM	#2039
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Dx Viking mf100, still in the works. We got behind molding other existing discs. The DX Viking will still have to wait several months, until we catch up. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jul 20 2004, 11:44 AM	#2040
testap Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Josephine, Tx Posts: 588	Zipper Viking Dave, Do you know where I can get some of the Vikings with the "Zipper" finish on them.. I am sure it has been discussed but I am just trying to locate some. Thx

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