Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 63

Jun 09 2004, 11:46 PM

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Aero, Aviar, XD, Mini, classic Roc, Stingray, Cobra

Don't you mean, Aero, Aviar, XD, Classic Roc, Stingray, Roc, Cobra?

jaymo · Jun 09 2004, 11:54 PM

yeah well, those are the ones I meant...

Jun 10 2004, 12:53 AM

I wasn't sure the "big roc" was todays "roc" as everyone knows it

jaymo · Jun 10 2004, 01:19 AM

So Dave, where's the Pro Orc... has there been any news??? you guys aren't making it into a fundraiser disc are you?!?!?!?!

ohhh well thanks for replying to all my previous posts, and I am sure you will reply to this one.

davei · Jun 10 2004, 07:48 AM

jaymo, the Pro Orc has been run in some limited quantities for now, but they should be available soon.

jaymo · Jun 10 2004, 02:56 PM

sweet, thanks dave

jaymo · Jun 10 2004, 04:37 PM

Dave, we're having a discussion in the "what happened to the shark" post... and I was wondering if the Champion/Pro/Dx versions of the Shark differ greatly?? some people say the old CE sharks were really overstable... so do you have any input on this, considering your word is gospel in the disc golf world?

thanks in advance

Jun 10 2004, 06:34 PM

There was no CE Shark made. The Champion shark is most overstable. The DX Shark is the straightest. The Pro falls between.

Blarg · Jun 10 2004, 06:57 PM

Hi Dave,
I just resurrected an Innova disc that I'd left at home for awhile because I couldn't throw it yet. It says Innova on it and is DX plastic and weighs 150g. I guess I bought it in October of this year, roughly. That's all it says on it. Innova in white on a sort of orange disc. The guy who sold it to me (Mike Williams) said it was a dx Beast. I now find with my current throwing ability that the thing flies great for me now, so I decided to buy some more. I bought another dx Beast and it has the bull-headed guy (Minotaur?) on it. 150g.
The problem is the newer disc IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOLD!
Much wider rim and a bit less dome. Totally different feel and WAAAY more overstable. The plastic also seems slightly more durable.
My question is, what happened to the original mold dx Beasts? Are there different Beast molds, or perhaps the older disc isn't a Beast at all???

circle_2 · Jun 10 2004, 07:26 PM

Sounds like you might have had a Leopard, or some other slower-than-a-Beast disc...Cheetah, Gazelle? Just a guess...

Jun 10 2004, 08:20 PM

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That's all it says on it. Innova in white on a sort of orange disc. The guy who sold it to me (Mike Williams) said it was a dx Beast.

Blarg, there were two hotstamps preceding the Minotaur stamp: the first run of Beasts in general release (non-proto) had the "Innova Disc Golf" Swoosh stamp; the second stamp had "Beast Distance Driver" and the Innova Swoosh, with the word "Beast" spelled out using animal glyphs.

It sounds to me like the disc you have is not a Beast. I have several discs with each of the hotstamps, and their rim widths are identical. You might want to compare your mystery disc to a Valkyrie, Archangel, Leopard, Cheetah, and Gazelle.

Jun 11 2004, 01:32 AM

i am guessing archangel it is [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

jaymo · Jun 11 2004, 01:55 AM

then how come everyone says CE??? have people still not adjusted to leaving out the "edition" on the end??? is it that hard. That little "edition" makes it really confusing for us newbies...

Blarg · Jun 11 2004, 03:02 AM

You may be right about the Archangel. I've been comparing it to all my discs with no luck, but my only Archangel is sorta melted due to one of my primitive attempts at disk design.
I'll check back at the pro shop next time I'm down at La Mirada.
Thanks!

20460chase · Jun 11 2004, 10:37 AM

Thanks Dave.............Thanks Fore

veganray · Jun 11 2004, 10:52 AM

I read on Innova SC's "Inventory at a glance" website this morning that the Gremlin is discontinued! My bread & butter midrange go-to disc! Say it ain't so, Dave.

Jake L · Jun 11 2004, 11:08 AM

Hello Dave,
1 question, Pro Roc? Love that grippy plastic, like the Super Roc, Pro Teebird, ...... And I can't get enough Rocs in my stash, First step is admitting I have a problem!

Thank you

Jake

davei · Jun 11 2004, 03:22 PM

Jaymo, the CE Sharks or first candy run were overstable. The Sharks in general have been a little more stable than they used to be but the Candy ones were noticably overstable.

davei · Jun 11 2004, 03:25 PM

Blarg, only one Beast mold. Doesnt sound like you had a Beast in the first place as the rim is as wide as there is for us. It hasnt changed.

davei · Jun 11 2004, 03:27 PM

sorry Ray, its been shelved for now. Production and space limitations we are working on right now. Maybe in the future.

davei · Jun 11 2004, 03:29 PM

Jake, not sure what the question is. But, Pro Rocks have been selling and the proceeds going to the PDGA Worlds. Zone Driven is one site selling them.

Jake L · Jun 11 2004, 03:42 PM

Thank you for responding Dave,
I thought the Super Roc was a different mold than the "regular" Dx mold Roc.

dannyreeves · Jun 11 2004, 03:49 PM

nope

Jun 12 2004, 12:32 PM

Dave,

I seen the Pro series expanding and I have heard about pro XD. Is it done yet?

discchucker · Jun 12 2004, 01:17 PM

Dave:

No more DX Gremlins???? Say it isn't so Dave...

davei · Jun 12 2004, 09:33 PM

Geirod, no not yet. Production schedule got very crowded. Probably several months now unfortunately.

davei · Jun 12 2004, 09:34 PM

discchucker, sorry, it has been shelved for now.

Blarg · Jun 14 2004, 02:49 AM

Davei:
I think you're correct. It has been suggested that my magic disc is a 150 class dx Archangel. I guess Mike was wrong.
I'll check it out next time I get down to La Mirada.

20460chase · Jun 14 2004, 03:07 PM

Hi Dave --What can you or anyone else tell me about the new Champion Whippets?Are they really only run to 4500?I seem to see lots around.thanks again

colin-evans · Jun 14 2004, 04:02 PM

Dave,

When the pro TB came out you said the next version would be a little more overstable. Has that new more overstable version been run yet.
Lov me some pro plastic

Jun 09 2004, 11:54 PM	#1862
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D yeah well, those are the ones I meant... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Jun 10 2004, 12:53 AM	#1863
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I wasn't sure the "big roc" was todays "roc" as everyone knows it

Jun 10 2004, 01:19 AM	#1864
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D So Dave, where's the Pro Orc... has there been any news??? you guys aren't making it into a fundraiser disc are you?!?!?!?! ohhh well thanks for replying to all my previous posts, and I am sure you will reply to this one. __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Jun 10 2004, 07:48 AM	#1865
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D jaymo, the Pro Orc has been run in some limited quantities for now, but they should be available soon. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jun 10 2004, 02:56 PM	#1866
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D sweet, thanks dave __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Jun 10 2004, 04:37 PM	#1867
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, we're having a discussion in the "what happened to the shark" post... and I was wondering if the Champion/Pro/Dx versions of the Shark differ greatly?? some people say the old CE sharks were really overstable... so do you have any input on this, considering your word is gospel in the disc golf world? thanks in advance __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Jun 10 2004, 06:34 PM	#1868
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D There was no CE Shark made. The Champion shark is most overstable. The DX Shark is the straightest. The Pro falls between.

Jun 10 2004, 06:57 PM	#1869
Blarg Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 511	Re: Question for Dave D Hi Dave, I just resurrected an Innova disc that I'd left at home for awhile because I couldn't throw it yet. It says Innova on it and is DX plastic and weighs 150g. I guess I bought it in October of this year, roughly. That's all it says on it. Innova in white on a sort of orange disc. The guy who sold it to me (Mike Williams) said it was a dx Beast. I now find with my current throwing ability that the thing flies great for me now, so I decided to buy some more. I bought another dx Beast and it has the bull-headed guy (Minotaur?) on it. 150g. The problem is the newer disc IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOLD! Much wider rim and a bit less dome. Totally different feel and WAAAY more overstable. The plastic also seems slightly more durable. My question is, what happened to the original mold dx Beasts? Are there different Beast molds, or perhaps the older disc isn't a Beast at all???

Jun 10 2004, 07:26 PM	#1870
circle_2 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lawrence, Kansas Posts: 2,687	Re: Question for Dave D Sounds like you might have had a Leopard, or some other slower-than-a-Beast disc...Cheetah, Gazelle? Just a guess...

Jun 11 2004, 01:32 AM	#1872
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D i am guessing archangel it is [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

Jun 11 2004, 01:55 AM	#1873
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D then how come everyone says CE??? have people still not adjusted to leaving out the "edition" on the end??? is it that hard. That little "edition" makes it really confusing for us newbies... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Jun 11 2004, 03:02 AM	#1874
Blarg Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 511	Re: Question for Dave D You may be right about the Archangel. I've been comparing it to all my discs with no luck, but my only Archangel is sorta melted due to one of my primitive attempts at disk design. I'll check back at the pro shop next time I'm down at La Mirada. Thanks!

Jun 11 2004, 10:37 AM	#1875
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Thanks Dave.............Thanks Fore __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Jun 11 2004, 10:52 AM	#1876
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	Re: Question for Dave D I read on Innova SC's "Inventory at a glance" website this morning that the Gremlin is discontinued! My bread & butter midrange go-to disc! Say it ain't so, Dave.

Jun 11 2004, 11:08 AM	#1877
Jake L Community Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: High Point, NC Posts: 680	Re: Question for Dave D Hello Dave, 1 question, Pro Roc? Love that grippy plastic, like the Super Roc, Pro Teebird, ...... And I can't get enough Rocs in my stash, First step is admitting I have a problem! Thank you Jake

Jun 11 2004, 03:22 PM	#1878
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Jaymo, the CE Sharks or first candy run were overstable. The Sharks in general have been a little more stable than they used to be but the Candy ones were noticably overstable. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jun 11 2004, 03:25 PM	#1879
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Blarg, only one Beast mold. Doesnt sound like you had a Beast in the first place as the rim is as wide as there is for us. It hasnt changed. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jun 11 2004, 03:27 PM	#1880
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D sorry Ray, its been shelved for now. Production and space limitations we are working on right now. Maybe in the future. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jun 11 2004, 03:29 PM	#1881
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Jake, not sure what the question is. But, Pro Rocks have been selling and the proceeds going to the PDGA Worlds. Zone Driven is one site selling them. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jun 11 2004, 03:42 PM	#1882
Jake L Community Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: High Point, NC Posts: 680	Re: Question for Dave D Thank you for responding Dave, I thought the Super Roc was a different mold than the "regular" Dx mold Roc.

Jun 11 2004, 03:49 PM	#1883
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: Question for Dave D nope

Jun 12 2004, 12:32 PM	#1884
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I seen the Pro series expanding and I have heard about pro XD. Is it done yet?

Jun 12 2004, 01:17 PM	#1885
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Question for Dave D Dave: No more DX Gremlins???? Say it isn't so Dave... __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Jun 12 2004, 09:33 PM	#1886
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Geirod, no not yet. Production schedule got very crowded. Probably several months now unfortunately. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jun 12 2004, 09:34 PM	#1887
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D discchucker, sorry, it has been shelved for now. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jun 14 2004, 02:49 AM	#1888
Blarg Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 511	Re: Question for Dave D Davei: I think you're correct. It has been suggested that my magic disc is a 150 class dx Archangel. I guess Mike was wrong. I'll check it out next time I get down to La Mirada.

Jun 14 2004, 03:07 PM	#1889
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Hi Dave --What can you or anyone else tell me about the new Champion Whippets?Are they really only run to 4500?I seem to see lots around.thanks again __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Jun 14 2004, 04:02 PM	#1890
colin-evans Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 281	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, When the pro TB came out you said the next version would be a little more overstable. Has that new more overstable version been run yet. Lov me some pro plastic __________________ UP and at THEM

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