Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

Thanks Dave.You goin?Be nice to meet you in person.Got a couple Qs for you...I picked up a couple of discs and was curious about them..a red DX T that has "one..one world..one moon..one sun...one universe..and so on designed by Thomas P. Christensen 1999 with a sun,moon,and earth drawing on it..know anything about it? The other is a Innova/Wham-O 91from '87,yellow w/ blue stamp..and my question is what kind of stamp is this? It feels like vinyl..Thanks again sir.

That guy lives in my area and supplies discs to local stores. He's like a vulture, when a course pops-up he bum-rushes any local retailers and asks them to stock his plastic.

I'm almost positive that is just the stamp he designed, nothing special about the disc, just regular dx with different stamp. But I could be wrong

[tafe]

You're correct. I have a big bead Aviar with that stamp, it's just another of Tom's stamps. My favorite is the "Play it again Sam" scene from Casablanca. At least with Tom, the local White Hen Pantry's can sell champ plastic.

[davei]

Chase, yes I am going to the Worlds. I'd be glad to meet you. Have been to every one except 1984 when my son Taber was born. Sorry, I don't know anything about either stamp.

[davei]

Paul, the new disc is aimed at replacing the Roc for me. Not quite the same, but the same niche. I have trouble switching from the larger rims, with the smaller diameter, to the smaller rims (like the Stingray, Cobra, and Roc) with larger diameters. Steve Rico has always had an option to be sponsored by us. We have always had a good relationship with Steve, his brother Bamba, and his dad JR too for that matter. His sponsorship by Discraft was a business decision, that I happened to agree with at the time.

[20460chase]

Right on Dave........................................Thanks D-train and Tafe,I got mine used at a play it again sports..hadnt seen the stamp b4...they have Play it Again,Sam stamped discs at a Walgreens in Davenport,Ia.I have no idea how they made it there but they do appear to be older..

[mikeP]

Dave,

I've noticed that often Champion plastic discs (Orc's in this scenario) have asymmetrical swirls in the plastic around the rims that almost look 3 dimensional, but cannot be felt on the plastic. What causes this? Is it where the plastic and the weighting agent are not completely mixed, or is it from the color dye? My second question then is, does this affect flight?

when is this hydra supposed to be released to mankind.
it should have a huge stamp of aquaman on it lol

[davei]

discspeed, the pearlescent effect is an optical property of the plastic used. It does not affect flight

[davei]

Lee, as far as I know the Hydra has already been released. The only thing that could be holding it up is hotstamping.

when is this hydra supposed to be released to mankind.
it should have a huge stamp of aquaman on it lol

Since the hydra is a creature of Greek mythology (see, e.g., the second of the twelve labors of Hercules), I suspect that the hotstamp will be more along the lines of this,, unless Dave had the protozoan in mind, in which case it'll look like this.

Dave, I love reading your posts and keeping up with all the latest disc news. I just wanted to relay an interesting tidbit. Today at our local course, I was playing with 4 other guys (Tom Monroe was one of them) and this other older guy that has played off and on for a long time just for fun, not too competitively, had in his bag, an Innova Eagle from 1984, patent pending. He was actually using this disc as his approach. I told him he should be careful not to lose it as it might be a great collector's item. I have heard that a new one can be pretty valuable but this one was beaten to heck and back. If it was me, I would put it in a display case or something.

Do you have any advice for this guy that I can relay?

Also, I would love to hear sometime when you have the time the story on how you came up with that disc. You've been a major part of the evolution of this sport.

Best regards,

Doug - Birmingham, AL

i'd also like to give Dave his well due thanks. If it weren't for Dave Dunipace we'd still be throwing whamos. there's nothing better than throwing rocs and aviars.

[davei]

Thanks guys. Doug, as for the original Eagle... As a collector disc, it probably has to be in good shape, but I am not an expert in collecting. The original Eagle mold was only around for 1 month and two short runs of 3000 speckled orange, and 7000 in a four color weight coded run. It was retooled into the Aero, which was the original design. The tool and die maker screwed up twice to produce the Eagle. Third time produced the Aero.

[mikeP]

Dave,

Speaking of a floating disc, I found a weird disc this weekend. It is called a Hammer Head and is "Guaranteed Unbreakable" and "Floats in Water". Was this a regular production disc? What's the story behind it? Thanks again Dave.

[jaymo]

I have found that this website (if you scroll down) has some good, however brief descriptions of "older" discs... the Hammerhead is one of them... cheers

I was just curious and thought I would ask :

Does anyone have any idea where to see a list of Innova discs in chronological order of when they came out? I was just wondering what the first ones were, to see the trend in the evolution of discs.

Dave, maybe you could tell us the first ten or so Innova discs as you remember them.

I would guess these might be the first ones :

1. Eagle

2. Aero

3. Aviar

4. Stingray ?

5. Phenix ?

I thought it would be fun to see.

Thanks,

Doug

[flynvegas]

Dave, maybe you could tell us the first ten or so Innova discs as you remember them.

I would guess these might be the first ones :

1. Eagle

2. Aero

3. Aviar

4. Stingray ?

5. Phenix ?

I thought it would be fun to see.

Thanks,

Doug

I'll give this a shot.

1. Eagle
2. Aero
3. Aviar
4. XD
5. Coupe
6. Ace
7. Roc
8. Hammer
9. Phenix
10. Stingray

This should be close.

[rhett]

Roc was #8.

[quickdisc]

Roc was #8.

That's right. The original Roc or classic roc was next.
The Coupe was like a Indestructable Aviar with a shallower rim.

[quickdisc]

That's right. The original Roc or classic roc was next.
The Coupe was like a Indestructable Aviar with a shallower rim.

The Ace was either a Roc or XD with a trimed down lip.
The Hammer was the same shallow rim disc with a bead.

[20460chase]

Hello Dave.....I had a question about '04 glo rocs,actually 2.First how do I get a X out of premium plastic and 2 how many of the Shultz/Climo rocs are out there?I played with Ed Burde yesterday and he had a X out, and said he thought the only defect was it wasnt numberd..so by chance do you knoe how many are out there?thank you sir.

[davei]

discspeed the Hammerhead was a regular production disc for a short while. It was too hard to produce so we dumped it. I was a good roller disc for a quick flippin 400 ft roller. Kind of squirley in the air if you had any distance, but wasnt bad for low speed throwers.

[davei]

The golf discs posted are about right, but there were two discs missing in chronological order. Roc is #8. Eagle, Aero, Aviar, XD, Apple, (Large catch type disc), Coupe, Mini, classic Roc, Classic Hammer, Ace, Stingray, big Roc, Cobra, big Hammer. This is close, if not exact.

[neonnoodle]

Dave,

If you have any old hammers laying around that you can sell me I'll promise never to say a bad word about INNOVA again.

<<This is special code that Dave can't see, but you can. I never have actually said anything bad about INNOVA, but that will be our little secret.>>

And I wouldn't be getting them to sell, I still putt and approach with those bad boys. If ever there came a time that I wouldn't use them, I'd send them back to INNOVA.

Any word on making a worthy predessor to the RAM? I'd love to see what one of those led bellies would be like in Champ Plastic!

[davei]

chase, you have to talk to Innova East for that info. They stamp those discs.

Thanks Dave, that's amazing that of the discs that you named, the first discs you ever came out with, 5 that I counted are still in wide use today. I use an Aviar, Roc and a Cobra on a regular basis.

The general consenus I think is that the Aviar is the best golf disc ever made. The Roc is probably close to it.

Keep it up,

Doug

[jaymo]

I count 7 still in production...

Aero, Aviar, XD, Mini, classic Roc, Stingray, Cobra
Is the mini THE mini that is still in production?

[xterramatt]

no it is not.

it was a new mold (actually two) introduced last year around September.

First how do I get a X out of premium plastic and 2 how many of the Shultz/Climo rocs are out there?I played with Ed Burde yesterday and he had a X out, and said he thought the only defect was it wasnt numberd..so by chance do you knoe how many are out there?thank you sir.

The only 2004 CE Roc X-outs that were offered for sale were Glo. (There may be other, non-Glo X-outs out there, but they weren't part of the batch put up for sale,)

X-outs are long gone. I ordered a stack literally the minute they became available. (My call got put through to Jonathan just as he was getting back from the meeting where they set the pricing. As I recall, he mentioned there were around 200 X-outs.) Got them 2 days later and called to order more, but they were all gone by then.

I played with Ed Burde yesterday and he had a X out, and said he thought the only defect was it wasnt numberd..

None of the X-outs I've got or have seen are numbered. Most of the defects are very minor: imperfect hotstamps, very minor indentation in the rim, air bubbles in the rim, a dimple or nipple in the center of the flight plate, etc.