Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 60

dannyreeves · May 19 2004, 10:01 AM

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Kid, the stiffer was intentional, the dimple is an irregular feature of molding. It comes and goes with that plastic. The domeyness is an artifact of the particular plastic batch and a couple of other factors. Personally, I think the sharper nosed Cucamongas need a little dome, but YMMV. You may have more than a little dome. That was not intended.

Dave, would you happen to know where I could find any KC Rocs from before that change? Any online vendors that may have them? If I ordered any KC Rocs from Zonedriven, would they be in the newer run of plastic?

davei · May 19 2004, 12:01 PM

I would imagine Zonedriven would have more than one type.

dannyreeves · May 19 2004, 12:07 PM

Okay. I will call and ask for the ones with less dome. Thanks, Dave.

May 19 2004, 01:47 PM

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Felix, the main reason they were throwing DX was grip. DX has a much more consistent and tacky grip than Candy. Your TeeBirds may be going farther because they suit your throwing style or grip. It may not be an inherent difference between candy and dx. The DX is sometimes more high speed stable than candy, (Beast), and may have a slightly higher or lower dome at times. Tough to make predictions on how it is going to work from model to model.

What's curious is that I don't get anywhere near the same distance with CE, 10x KC, or Candy Teebirds as I do with my distance drivers. I've occasionally gotten long throws with Pro Teebirds, but for the most part my results are similar to what I see with CE or Candy.

Oh well, if you ever decide to do a test run of DX Orcs, I'll be happy to test them for you.

May 19 2004, 02:16 PM

Davie,

You were talking about Pro XD as a next step after Classic Roc. Is it still going to be available?

davei · May 19 2004, 04:47 PM

gelrod, we still plan on running Pro XDs after the Pro Classic Rocs.

May 19 2004, 10:05 PM

Dave I have to congradulate you on the 11x KC ROC. After throwing all sorts of Wasps for a while, I bought a 11x today, and it really does have superior feel to any other ROC/WASP out there!, IMO! I love the hardnes of this plastic! I know the current trend is plastics has been leaning towards the soft side, but please continue to make this great hard plastic!

Why won't you make the Teebird in this plastic? You would make ALOT of people really happy!

May 19 2004, 10:59 PM

Dave I'm sure you've been asked this 100 times but I'm wondering if there are plans to run a champion gator. I love the gator and would love to see it in champion plastic.

primetime · May 20 2004, 06:38 AM

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Dave I'm sure you've been asked this 100 times but I'm wondering if there are plans to run a champion gator. I love the gator and would love to see it in champion plastic.

I 2nd the request. A Champion Gator would be sweet!! Make them in the old flat top, not the newer domed style.

PT Woods
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Znash · May 20 2004, 09:02 AM

It's amazing how many people like a hard flat disc over those soft domed disc that Innova keeps making.
I guess if you think your on top, you can do what ever you want to.

Would love it if all teebrids had the same flight paths (11x teebirds). If not call it something else not a teebird.

dannyreeves · May 20 2004, 11:37 AM

Dave, I was browsing Ebay and came across this auction. This guy claims that Innova is no longer printing 11x World Champion on the KC Rocs. Is that true?

atreau3 · May 20 2004, 11:40 AM

Kid,

I've recently seen KC Rocs w/o the 11x on them...

Erick

dannyreeves · May 20 2004, 11:43 AM

yeah, I have seen them too. I just didn't know if that was going to be permanent or just a stamping mistake.

Cdale600 · May 20 2004, 11:52 AM

I had one with no 11x on it till yesterday when it decided to leave me for the depths of the Johnson Road lake...

mf100forever · May 20 2004, 03:14 PM

Hi Dave,
question about the new Mill Ohmega AP, the plastic seems to be identical to the new Pro plastic, do you use the same ?

rob · May 20 2004, 05:01 PM

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Hi Dave,
question about the new Mill Ohmega AP, the plastic seems to be identical to the new Pro plastic, do you use the same ?

It is the same. It's a small bead Aviar, and it's great!

davei · May 20 2004, 05:53 PM

Kid, I believe we just call it the KC Roc, but I am not sure about the rest of the stuff on the stamp. Basically, we got rid of the signiture on the Pro Stuff. We still give KC and JK a royalty, but we only use signitures on the Champion Line now. So long answer short. Yes, probably no more anything except KCs intitials.

davei · May 20 2004, 05:54 PM

Phil, I don't know if we will do Champion Gators, but Pro Gators are likely.

davei · May 20 2004, 05:56 PM

mf100, it is virtually the same plastic. There is a slight tweaking to get certain weights for certain models.

jaymo · May 20 2004, 07:20 PM

Dave can I suggest a Pro Cobra!! That'd be great I love the feel of the new pro plastic... So more mid-range discs would be a definite plus!

sandalbagger · May 20 2004, 07:59 PM

I 2nd that pro cobra idea. And dont forget about that run of pro line old mold hammers. Come on Dave, I know a few people dying to get some of those hammers. Please don't dissapoint. And id feel like a real jerk if they were never produced after telling all of my friends that you are going to make them.

hawkgammon · May 20 2004, 09:10 PM

Oh oh, the thread has turned into the begging for our favorite molds in a certain plastic theme again.

Dave, my two cents go to Pro Spiders and Pro Small Bead Aviar Putters.

Yes I'm as guilty as everyone else.

xterramatt · May 20 2004, 11:55 PM

Hawk, try a new Omega AP. You'll be mighty impressed. I can do anything with mine.It's aced, and almost aced again the other day. It's my favorite disc right now. Can't remember it anymore, but it's a lot like my old Q Omega, except it flies better. And I throw it for every shot now, driving to putting. the Q Omega was only really a driver.

primetime · May 21 2004, 06:30 AM

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Phil, I don't know if we will do Champion Gators, but Pro Gators are likely.

Dave, maybe after you see how well the Pro Line Gators sell you might be convinced to make a Champion run. Also, would the Gators be the original flat tops or domey?

PT Woods
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hawkgammon · May 21 2004, 12:40 PM

Matt,

I may give that a try. You're saying the flight is similar to the DX Aviar Putter I assume. You were driving with Qmegas? I find the Q/Champion plastic too soft to drive putters with. My Champion Aviars are among my shorter Aviars for distance. Curiously the DX Putters fly farther for me, or at least even with stiffer Aviars (KC etc.)

davei · May 21 2004, 09:13 PM

Primetime, there is only one mold. If there is any dome difference it would be due to molding and material used. The Pro material does tend to be a little more domey than the Candy.

williethekid · May 21 2004, 09:37 PM

pro firebird, perhaps an fl?

May 21 2004, 10:25 PM

dave, do you know what colors were made in the proto run of Jk aviars? all i've seen is blue and white and was curious if other colors exist. thanks

May 21 2004, 10:48 PM

yellow maybe? I've seen some canary yellow 4x's.

jaymo · May 23 2004, 11:41 PM

Hey Dave, are those Pro Orcs going to be ready for June?? what new discs are going to be around...

May 19 2004, 12:01 PM	#1772
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D I would imagine Zonedriven would have more than one type. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 19 2004, 12:07 PM	#1773
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: Question for Dave D Okay. I will call and ask for the ones with less dome. Thanks, Dave.

May 19 2004, 02:16 PM	#1775
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Davie, You were talking about Pro XD as a next step after Classic Roc. Is it still going to be available?

May 19 2004, 04:47 PM	#1776
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D gelrod, we still plan on running Pro XDs after the Pro Classic Rocs. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 19 2004, 10:05 PM	#1777
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave I have to congradulate you on the 11x KC ROC. After throwing all sorts of Wasps for a while, I bought a 11x today, and it really does have superior feel to any other ROC/WASP out there!, IMO! I love the hardnes of this plastic! I know the current trend is plastics has been leaning towards the soft side, but please continue to make this great hard plastic! Why won't you make the Teebird in this plastic? You would make ALOT of people really happy!

May 19 2004, 10:59 PM	#1778
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave I'm sure you've been asked this 100 times but I'm wondering if there are plans to run a champion gator. I love the gator and would love to see it in champion plastic.

May 20 2004, 09:02 AM	#1780
Znash Membership Expired Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 501	Re: Question for Dave D It's amazing how many people like a hard flat disc over those soft domed disc that Innova keeps making. I guess if you think your on top, you can do what ever you want to. Would love it if all teebrids had the same flight paths (11x teebirds). If not call it something else not a teebird.

May 20 2004, 11:37 AM	#1781
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I was browsing Ebay and came across this auction. This guy claims that Innova is no longer printing 11x World Champion on the KC Rocs. Is that true?

May 20 2004, 11:40 AM	#1782
atreau3 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,069	Re: Question for Dave D Kid, I've recently seen KC Rocs w/o the 11x on them... Erick __________________ Bucks County Disc Golf Alliance NJ Disc Devils http://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Atreau3 www.bcdga.com www.discdevils.com

May 20 2004, 11:43 AM	#1783
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: Question for Dave D yeah, I have seen them too. I just didn't know if that was going to be permanent or just a stamping mistake.

May 20 2004, 11:52 AM	#1784
Cdale600 Community Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 186	Re: Question for Dave D I had one with no 11x on it till yesterday when it decided to leave me for the depths of the Johnson Road lake...

May 20 2004, 03:14 PM	#1785
mf100forever PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lulea Sweden Posts: 752	Re: Question for Dave D Hi Dave, question about the new Mill Ohmega AP, the plastic seems to be identical to the new Pro plastic, do you use the same ? __________________ (Disc)-gracefully yours, MF100forever # 3418 http://www.discgolfsweden.se/english/index.aspx

May 20 2004, 05:53 PM	#1787
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Kid, I believe we just call it the KC Roc, but I am not sure about the rest of the stuff on the stamp. Basically, we got rid of the signiture on the Pro Stuff. We still give KC and JK a royalty, but we only use signitures on the Champion Line now. So long answer short. Yes, probably no more anything except KCs intitials. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 20 2004, 05:54 PM	#1788
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Phil, I don't know if we will do Champion Gators, but Pro Gators are likely. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 20 2004, 05:56 PM	#1789
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D mf100, it is virtually the same plastic. There is a slight tweaking to get certain weights for certain models. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 20 2004, 07:20 PM	#1790
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Dave can I suggest a Pro Cobra!! That'd be great I love the feel of the new pro plastic... So more mid-range discs would be a definite plus! __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

May 20 2004, 07:59 PM	#1791
sandalbagger PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Moraine State Park Posts: 2,002	Re: Question for Dave D I 2nd that pro cobra idea. And dont forget about that run of pro line old mold hammers. Come on Dave, I know a few people dying to get some of those hammers. Please don't dissapoint. And id feel like a real jerk if they were never produced after telling all of my friends that you are going to make them.

May 20 2004, 09:10 PM	#1792
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Question for Dave D Oh oh, the thread has turned into the begging for our favorite molds in a certain plastic theme again. Dave, my two cents go to Pro Spiders and Pro Small Bead Aviar Putters. Yes I'm as guilty as everyone else.

May 20 2004, 11:55 PM	#1793
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: Question for Dave D Hawk, try a new Omega AP. You'll be mighty impressed. I can do anything with mine.It's aced, and almost aced again the other day. It's my favorite disc right now. Can't remember it anymore, but it's a lot like my old Q Omega, except it flies better. And I throw it for every shot now, driving to putting. the Q Omega was only really a driver. __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

May 21 2004, 12:40 PM	#1795
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Question for Dave D Matt, I may give that a try. You're saying the flight is similar to the DX Aviar Putter I assume. You were driving with Qmegas? I find the Q/Champion plastic too soft to drive putters with. My Champion Aviars are among my shorter Aviars for distance. Curiously the DX Putters fly farther for me, or at least even with stiffer Aviars (KC etc.)

May 21 2004, 09:13 PM	#1796
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Primetime, there is only one mold. If there is any dome difference it would be due to molding and material used. The Pro material does tend to be a little more domey than the Candy. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 21 2004, 09:37 PM	#1797
williethekid Community Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Weston, CT Posts: 508	Re: Question for Dave D pro firebird, perhaps an fl?

May 21 2004, 10:25 PM	#1798
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D dave, do you know what colors were made in the proto run of Jk aviars? all i've seen is blue and white and was curious if other colors exist. thanks

May 21 2004, 10:48 PM	#1799
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D yellow maybe? I've seen some canary yellow 4x's.

May 23 2004, 11:41 PM	#1800
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Hey Dave, are those Pro Orcs going to be ready for June?? what new discs are going to be around... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

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