Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 55

dannyreeves · Apr 22 2004, 04:35 PM

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I highly suggest running a DX Monster.

HAHAHA.

Dave, I "highly suggest" bringing back old CE plastic. Gee, I wonder if that will get it done.

I think running a DX Disc is just a tad more realistic then running the old CE from a zillion years ago grandpa!

I don't think you got the joke. I was saying that you "strongly suggesting" doesn't mean much. Not trying to be mean but it doesn't. Dave already said that they weren't gonna do it.

Apr 22 2004, 05:03 PM

People like their plastic to be shiny and clear, so thats what Innova gives em.

I would take DX over Champion any day!

vwkeepontruckin · Apr 23 2004, 12:34 AM

"H" Plastic is really grippy, and pretty durable. Great when its in the right hands!

Apr 23 2004, 12:40 AM

yeah I couldn't live without my H Wizard! And H Speed dmeons are sweet. H Demons are too domey for my hands.

Apr 23 2004, 12:49 AM

I get it KidRoc..

But that's all a suggestion is, ones personal opinion

I realize it probably won't shift any opinions at Innova, but it never hurts to ask

dannyreeves · Apr 23 2004, 01:05 AM

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I get it KidRoc..

But that's all a suggestion is, ones personal opinion

I realize it probably won't shift any opinions at Innova, but it never hurts to ask

I understood what you meant. I was just giving you some grief. No worries.

Apr 23 2004, 01:36 AM

Dave, is there any way to run the new proline material without the discs coming out so domey? The dome on the new teebirds is about 1/2 inch taller than dx, unlike the old 10X which were at least as flat as dx. IMHO the flatter ones were much more stable and more desirable.

Znash · Apr 23 2004, 08:24 AM

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Dave, is there any way to run the new proline material without the discs coming out so domey? The dome on the new teebirds is about 1/2 inch taller than dx, unlike the old 10X which were at least as flat as dx. IMHO the flatter ones were much more stable and more desirable.

I have to agree with you on that one the new disc are domed and there for more under stable (also the softer the plastic, the more of a dome it gets while in flight).

vwkeepontruckin · Apr 23 2004, 09:43 AM

Yeah, the only exception I've found to the dome rule, is the Speed Demon. As far as the Prolines go,I would love to see a flatter version. My dad loves the plastic, but wants more stability.

Apr 23 2004, 10:09 AM

No!!! Don't change the Pro Birds! They are great the way they are. There are other T-bird choices that are more stable. Thanks Dave for the great disc.

davei · Apr 23 2004, 01:39 PM

Actually the Pro material has always been this way and even if it were stiffer, (which it can be), it would still be domey or even more domey. The stability is another matter, not related to domeyness directly.

jaymo · Apr 23 2004, 01:53 PM

Sweet... so that means you can make a disc that is really domey (more glide) that can also be overstble.... thats kinda the idea behind the Orc (or at least the heavy ones) I would love to see a Pro Orc, that is a bit stiffer than the current Teebirds, and domey but still retains its high speed stability..

well, we can all hope can't we...

Apr 23 2004, 02:55 PM

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I understood what you meant. I was just giving you some grief. No worries.

Surrrrrrrreeeeeeeee

DiscGolfTool · Apr 26 2004, 04:29 PM

I saw a new KC Pro Roc yesterday that didn't have 11x World Champion mumbojumbo written around the circular ring on the stamp. Is this a new KC Roc? And since Ken Climo didn't win the worlds in 2003 there is no 12x????
That would make sence to me, just wondering if that is what is going to happen. And if these discs are the same as the 11x mold.
Cheers,
Matt

jaymo · Apr 26 2004, 04:43 PM

Hey Dave what are the specs on the new Q-sentinel?? I mean how does it fly compared to a 11X KC roc?? I have heard it compared to an overstable Cobra... does this mean it's High speed stable and comes back hyzer at the end? thanks in advance.

Apr 26 2004, 05:45 PM

go to www.sunkingdiscs.com and look at discs there. They rate ALL discs using the innova scale, so its really helpful for comparing.

davei · Apr 26 2004, 06:39 PM

jaymo, I think you should take discgraham's advice about going to the site, but my input would be that it is a more stable Cobra. It is faster than a Roc, with less carry, and more overstable at low speed. High speed is comparable I think. Others on this thread might have some good feedback as I dont throw this particular disc.

jaymo · Apr 26 2004, 08:58 PM

sweet thanks guys...

Apr 26 2004, 09:42 PM

I think it is just a tad more overstable than a roc but less than a z-wasp.

cantrell · Apr 27 2004, 12:16 PM

Hey Dave,
This may be a terrible idea but do you know if anyone has tried more complex surfaces on discs to reduce drag (like a golf ball)? Of course the aerodymanics of a disc are very different from a golf ball so this may only make a disc completely unusable (i.e. dimples on the top only would reduce the drag on top creating more lift than you might want, not to mention what it might do the the stability). You'd have to keep this type of thing away from the edge so you can grip the disc on a smooth surface. Just wondering if this was ever looked at. (Sorry by the way if this question has been asked a lot).

gnduke · Apr 27 2004, 12:20 PM

I seem to remember Ching? doing something like that a few years ago.

davei · Apr 27 2004, 12:30 PM

cantrel, there was a disc called the dimple which did this very thing. Put dimples on a disc. Not surprisingly, it did nothing helpful as dimples only work on a sphere.

cantrell · Apr 27 2004, 12:35 PM

Thanks Dave. I figured as much or else there would be discs like this on the market today.

Apr 27 2004, 12:51 PM

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I seem to remember Ching? doing something like that a few years ago.

I don't think they actually "did" it. A full page ad in the DGWN does not a production run make.

rhett · Apr 27 2004, 01:16 PM

Ching! was trying to make "grip dents" not dimples for aerodynamics.

peter_h · Apr 27 2004, 01:29 PM

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...
This may be a terrible idea but do you know if anyone has tried more complex surfaces on discs to reduce drag (like a golf ball)? ...

Wasn't this the main idea behind the Wham-O frisbee "flight rings" (a.k.a. "lines of Headrick") on the outer part of the top, still to be seen on their new line of golf discs, "Touchline"?

Apr 27 2004, 02:12 PM

I like the Whamo rings much more than the Lightning rings!

holgate · Apr 27 2004, 03:02 PM

Cantrell - CHING has completed the first final mold in a new series that features a complex contoured surface. We expect to begin shipping this summer. Small dimples may not alter the flight + or -, however strategically placed larger 'thumb bunkers' can direct performance of a spinning disc...although ergonomics is the most obvious benefit.

scottsearles · Apr 27 2004, 03:09 PM

HHHHMMMMMM......VERY VERY VERY VERY INTERESTING

cantrell · Apr 27 2004, 03:41 PM

Yes, very interesting. I can see how that might help. Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to throwing this disc.

Apr 22 2004, 05:03 PM	#1622
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D People like their plastic to be shiny and clear, so thats what Innova gives em. I would take DX over Champion any day!

Apr 23 2004, 12:34 AM	#1623
vwkeepontruckin PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Anytown USA Posts: 1,583	Re: Question for Dave D "H" Plastic is really grippy, and pretty durable. Great when its in the right hands!

Apr 23 2004, 12:40 AM	#1624
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D yeah I couldn't live without my H Wizard! And H Speed dmeons are sweet. H Demons are too domey for my hands.

Apr 23 2004, 12:49 AM	#1625
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I get it KidRoc.. But that's all a suggestion is, ones personal opinion I realize it probably won't shift any opinions at Innova, but it never hurts to ask

Apr 23 2004, 01:36 AM	#1627
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, is there any way to run the new proline material without the discs coming out so domey? The dome on the new teebirds is about 1/2 inch taller than dx, unlike the old 10X which were at least as flat as dx. IMHO the flatter ones were much more stable and more desirable.

Apr 23 2004, 09:43 AM	#1629
vwkeepontruckin PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Anytown USA Posts: 1,583	Re: Question for Dave D Yeah, the only exception I've found to the dome rule, is the Speed Demon. As far as the Prolines go,I would love to see a flatter version. My dad loves the plastic, but wants more stability.

Apr 23 2004, 10:09 AM	#1630
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D No!!! Don't change the Pro Birds! They are great the way they are. There are other T-bird choices that are more stable. Thanks Dave for the great disc.

Apr 23 2004, 01:39 PM	#1631
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Actually the Pro material has always been this way and even if it were stiffer, (which it can be), it would still be domey or even more domey. The stability is another matter, not related to domeyness directly. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 23 2004, 01:53 PM	#1632
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Sweet... so that means you can make a disc that is really domey (more glide) that can also be overstble.... thats kinda the idea behind the Orc (or at least the heavy ones) I would love to see a Pro Orc, that is a bit stiffer than the current Teebirds, and domey but still retains its high speed stability.. well, we can all hope can't we... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Apr 26 2004, 04:29 PM	#1634
DiscGolfTool Membership Expired Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangor, PA Posts: 197	Re: Question for Dave D I saw a new KC Pro Roc yesterday that didn't have 11x World Champion mumbojumbo written around the circular ring on the stamp. Is this a new KC Roc? And since Ken Climo didn't win the worlds in 2003 there is no 12x???? That would make sence to me, just wondering if that is what is going to happen. And if these discs are the same as the 11x mold. Cheers, Matt __________________ Drinking and Putting works better then Drinking and Driving

Apr 26 2004, 04:43 PM	#1635
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Hey Dave what are the specs on the new Q-sentinel?? I mean how does it fly compared to a 11X KC roc?? I have heard it compared to an overstable Cobra... does this mean it's High speed stable and comes back hyzer at the end? thanks in advance. __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Apr 26 2004, 05:45 PM	#1636
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D go to www.sunkingdiscs.com and look at discs there. They rate ALL discs using the innova scale, so its really helpful for comparing.

Apr 26 2004, 06:39 PM	#1637
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D jaymo, I think you should take discgraham's advice about going to the site, but my input would be that it is a more stable Cobra. It is faster than a Roc, with less carry, and more overstable at low speed. High speed is comparable I think. Others on this thread might have some good feedback as I dont throw this particular disc. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 26 2004, 08:58 PM	#1638
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D sweet thanks guys... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Apr 26 2004, 09:42 PM	#1639
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I think it is just a tad more overstable than a roc but less than a z-wasp.

Apr 27 2004, 12:16 PM	#1640
cantrell Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 76	Re: Question for Dave D Hey Dave, This may be a terrible idea but do you know if anyone has tried more complex surfaces on discs to reduce drag (like a golf ball)? Of course the aerodymanics of a disc are very different from a golf ball so this may only make a disc completely unusable (i.e. dimples on the top only would reduce the drag on top creating more lift than you might want, not to mention what it might do the the stability). You'd have to keep this type of thing away from the edge so you can grip the disc on a smooth surface. Just wondering if this was ever looked at. (Sorry by the way if this question has been asked a lot).

Apr 27 2004, 12:20 PM	#1641
gnduke PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 7,181	Re: Question for Dave D I seem to remember Ching? doing something like that a few years ago.

Apr 27 2004, 12:30 PM	#1642
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D cantrel, there was a disc called the dimple which did this very thing. Put dimples on a disc. Not surprisingly, it did nothing helpful as dimples only work on a sphere. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 27 2004, 12:35 PM	#1643
cantrell Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 76	Re: Question for Dave D Thanks Dave. I figured as much or else there would be discs like this on the market today.

Apr 27 2004, 01:16 PM	#1645
rhett PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ignoramusville Posts: 7,032	Re: Question for Dave D Ching! was trying to make "grip dents" not dimples for aerodynamics.

Apr 27 2004, 02:12 PM	#1647
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I like the Whamo rings much more than the Lightning rings!

Apr 27 2004, 03:02 PM	#1648
holgate PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 41	Re: Question for Dave D Cantrell - CHING has completed the first final mold in a new series that features a complex contoured surface. We expect to begin shipping this summer. Small dimples may not alter the flight + or -, however strategically placed larger 'thumb bunkers' can direct performance of a spinning disc...although ergonomics is the most obvious benefit.

Apr 27 2004, 03:09 PM	#1649
scottsearles PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N.W. Posts: 598	Re: Question for Dave D HHHHMMMMMM......VERY VERY VERY VERY INTERESTING

Apr 27 2004, 03:41 PM	#1650
cantrell Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 76	Re: Question for Dave D Yes, very interesting. I can see how that might help. Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to throwing this disc.

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