Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 54

dannyreeves · Apr 19 2004, 04:08 PM

maybe the DX is smaller because it is beat up.

williethekid · Apr 19 2004, 04:16 PM

If its a few cm different thats one beat up disc 3cm is over an inch so thats a lot. If he meant millimeters then i think that ur prob right.

davei · Apr 19 2004, 05:06 PM

sfsdgolf, it is a normal variance that has to do with the plastic and molding parameters, not the mold.

scottsearles · Apr 19 2004, 06:23 PM

Thanx Dave

Yes i was refering to MM not CM Thanx

prairie_dawg · Apr 20 2004, 01:51 PM

Dave,

Those first run Gazelles back in 1994, did that mold become the cheetah? The second run had the bead added to the bottom of the disc and I noticed the cheetahs and first run gazelles looked extremely similar.

Just curious,
Ray

jaymo · Apr 20 2004, 02:09 PM

Dave hows the SE Orc coming along... can you give us all a time frame? thanks once again.

mikeP · Apr 20 2004, 02:21 PM

Dave, have you guys ever considered running the floating plastic in different molds? Water seems to be popping up on more courses these days and a floating all-purpose type disc would be really helpful.

davei · Apr 20 2004, 03:08 PM

The Cheetah was a separate mold. The original Gazelle was a killer flyer but didn't have the control we wanted. That bead was the retool.

davei · Apr 20 2004, 03:10 PM

Jaymo, I had to stop the Pro Orc run because we were getting behind on the regular production. We will resume when we can, but it won't be for several weeks at our present rate.

davei · Apr 20 2004, 03:16 PM

discspeed, we have considered it and have had other floating discs such as the Dolphin in the past. Right now the Dragon is by far and away our most popular floating disc. The lastest run is actually very good. Not a good putter or short approach, but a really good mid and long range driver for a 150 gm disc. I assume you might want a heavier floater like the Hammerhead. Eventually, we will have something in the floating mid and driver that is close to max, but it will have to wait for now. Thanks

jaymo · Apr 20 2004, 03:43 PM

thanks dave, keep us posted...

prairie_dawg · Apr 20 2004, 04:36 PM

Thanks Dave. I'd always thought the cheetah was a gazelle w/o the bead.

Now I know

hawkgammon · Apr 20 2004, 06:22 PM

Dave,

How does the durability of an Omega Supersoft compare to a DX Aviar Putter? Since I've started using the DX I see it getting chewed up quickly.

shanest · Apr 20 2004, 08:42 PM

I have a question about Champion Orcs and Rhynos pertaining to dyes:

At a tournament, a friend bought a Rhyno and was charged for a dye he didn't even see. It turns out it's an orange dye on an orange disc and is small, but still cool. I have a light blue Orc with a blue dye similar to that. Are these actually dyes or is it just a new way that the plastic is being blended/mixed/something I don't know?

Thanks,
Shane

jaymo · Apr 20 2004, 08:55 PM

do you mean like the Rhyno on the Innova website? with the purpley swirl on the green disc? b/c I have seen that on alot of discs and I don't think it is a "dye job" but it might be...

shanest · Apr 20 2004, 09:10 PM

Quote:

do you mean like the Rhyno on the Innova website? with the purpley swirl on the green disc? b/c I have seen that on alot of discs and I don't think it is a "dye job" but it might be...

They look similar to that except that the dye color is more similar to the plastic color. That's why I'm inclined to believe that it's not a dye, so I'm curious as to the cause of it. It's also happened in two discs that I've seen (williethekid's Rhyno and my Orc), so it is most likely something in the mixing of Champion plastic now, but I'm not sure. Dave?

williethekid · Apr 20 2004, 09:23 PM

I also have it on a champ beast along the rim

Apr 20 2004, 09:43 PM

i have also seen it a few times on various new champion discs although i dont own any. I dont have any answers but i think that it has to do with the plastic and not someone dying it. That sucks if your friend got charged for a dye and it wasnt

davei · Apr 21 2004, 07:47 AM

Hawkgammon, the Omega supersoft is more durable. They do wear, but they wear slowly compared to a regular DX putter.

davei · Apr 21 2004, 07:49 AM

shanest, that doesnt sound like a dyed disc, it sounds like a color swirl. Dyes are usually on the top of the disc. The color swirls go right through the disc.

hawkgammon · Apr 21 2004, 08:49 AM

Thanks as always Dave.

widiscgolf · Apr 21 2004, 02:47 PM

Dave:

I am sure you have been asked this before but, when will the regular pro line orcs and beasts be coming out? I see you ran some pro line orcs for the japan open sponsor discs. Just wondering.

jaymo · Apr 21 2004, 03:18 PM

Yeah I just asked Dave, (2 pages back) and he said not for a few weeks...

dannyreeves · Apr 21 2004, 03:19 PM

He said they are running low on regular Orcs so they are doing more of those now.

Apr 21 2004, 11:51 PM

Hey Dave

Not certain you were asked this question in this post:

I was curious what methods are used to test the stability/speed, and just overall flight characteristics of each model disc Innova produces.

Is it a machine that is set to whirl it at a set angle and speed each time? If so, how do you mesure the exact speed/rotation of the disc?

It's just something i've always wondered..

A few more quick questions- will there ever be a DX Monster? I would love to see thoes, or even a Champion Monster X.

Will you ever bring back the ProLine Monsters? I miss that run!

Also, I think you guys should make a disc called "The Monkey"

davei · Apr 22 2004, 02:33 PM

diron, testing is done by my staff and friends who play with them on courses they are familiar with. The monsters probably wont be run in dx but may be in the new Pro. Look for the next run of candy Monsters to be a little faster and a little more high speed stable overall. The original plastic used was almost impossible to produce any discs except extreme weight.

Apr 22 2004, 02:40 PM

I highly suggest running a DX Monster.. I would love to be able to get my hands on thoes and beat 'em up. Something about this disc just feels right in my hands. I call it love

I noticed with the First Run Aviar and Teebird the plastic itself is a little floppy (some may prefer it but I certainly don't) Do you know if it will be the same with the monster?

Anyways, thanks for answering my question

dannyreeves · Apr 22 2004, 02:42 PM

Quote:

I highly suggest running a DX Monster.

HAHAHA.

Dave, I "highly suggest" bringing back old CE plastic. Gee, I wonder if that will get it done.

davei · Apr 22 2004, 02:58 PM

diron, if you are talking about the new Pro plastic, then yes, the Pro Monster will feel similar.

Apr 22 2004, 04:18 PM

Quote:

I highly suggest running a DX Monster.

HAHAHA.

Dave, I "highly suggest" bringing back old CE plastic. Gee, I wonder if that will get it done.

I think running a DX Disc is just a tad more realistic then running the old CE from a zillion years ago grandpa!

Apr 19 2004, 04:08 PM	#1591
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: Question for Dave D maybe the DX is smaller because it is beat up.

Apr 19 2004, 04:16 PM	#1592
williethekid Community Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Weston, CT Posts: 508	Re: Question for Dave D If its a few cm different thats one beat up disc 3cm is over an inch so thats a lot. If he meant millimeters then i think that ur prob right.

Apr 19 2004, 05:06 PM	#1593
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D sfsdgolf, it is a normal variance that has to do with the plastic and molding parameters, not the mold. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 19 2004, 06:23 PM	#1594
scottsearles PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N.W. Posts: 598	Re: Question for Dave D Thanx Dave Yes i was refering to MM not CM Thanx

Apr 20 2004, 01:51 PM	#1595
prairie_dawg PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 1,033	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, Those first run Gazelles back in 1994, did that mold become the cheetah? The second run had the bead added to the bottom of the disc and I noticed the cheetahs and first run gazelles looked extremely similar. Just curious, Ray __________________ Discing for a Cure events, Host one in your area! 2nd event McKinney, TX November 15th, 2009 Participating in the 2009 Charity Endowment Program

Apr 20 2004, 02:09 PM	#1596
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Dave hows the SE Orc coming along... can you give us all a time frame? thanks once again. __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Apr 20 2004, 02:21 PM	#1597
mikeP Community Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,506	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, have you guys ever considered running the floating plastic in different molds? Water seems to be popping up on more courses these days and a floating all-purpose type disc would be really helpful.

Apr 20 2004, 03:08 PM	#1598
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D The Cheetah was a separate mold. The original Gazelle was a killer flyer but didn't have the control we wanted. That bead was the retool. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 20 2004, 03:10 PM	#1599
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Jaymo, I had to stop the Pro Orc run because we were getting behind on the regular production. We will resume when we can, but it won't be for several weeks at our present rate. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 20 2004, 03:16 PM	#1600
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D discspeed, we have considered it and have had other floating discs such as the Dolphin in the past. Right now the Dragon is by far and away our most popular floating disc. The lastest run is actually very good. Not a good putter or short approach, but a really good mid and long range driver for a 150 gm disc. I assume you might want a heavier floater like the Hammerhead. Eventually, we will have something in the floating mid and driver that is close to max, but it will have to wait for now. Thanks __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 20 2004, 03:43 PM	#1601
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D thanks dave, keep us posted... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Apr 20 2004, 04:36 PM	#1602
prairie_dawg PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 1,033	Re: Question for Dave D Thanks Dave. I'd always thought the cheetah was a gazelle w/o the bead. Now I know __________________ Discing for a Cure events, Host one in your area! 2nd event McKinney, TX November 15th, 2009 Participating in the 2009 Charity Endowment Program

Apr 20 2004, 06:22 PM	#1603
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, How does the durability of an Omega Supersoft compare to a DX Aviar Putter? Since I've started using the DX I see it getting chewed up quickly.

Apr 20 2004, 08:42 PM	#1604
shanest Community Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Weston, CT Posts: 285	Re: Question for Dave D I have a question about Champion Orcs and Rhynos pertaining to dyes: At a tournament, a friend bought a Rhyno and was charged for a dye he didn't even see. It turns out it's an orange dye on an orange disc and is small, but still cool. I have a light blue Orc with a blue dye similar to that. Are these actually dyes or is it just a new way that the plastic is being blended/mixed/something I don't know? Thanks, Shane

Apr 20 2004, 08:55 PM	#1605
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D do you mean like the Rhyno on the Innova website? with the purpley swirl on the green disc? b/c I have seen that on alot of discs and I don't think it is a "dye job" but it might be... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Apr 20 2004, 09:23 PM	#1607
williethekid Community Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Weston, CT Posts: 508	Re: Question for Dave D I also have it on a champ beast along the rim

Apr 20 2004, 09:43 PM	#1608
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D i have also seen it a few times on various new champion discs although i dont own any. I dont have any answers but i think that it has to do with the plastic and not someone dying it. That sucks if your friend got charged for a dye and it wasnt

Apr 21 2004, 07:47 AM	#1609
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Hawkgammon, the Omega supersoft is more durable. They do wear, but they wear slowly compared to a regular DX putter. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 21 2004, 07:49 AM	#1610
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D shanest, that doesnt sound like a dyed disc, it sounds like a color swirl. Dyes are usually on the top of the disc. The color swirls go right through the disc. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 21 2004, 08:49 AM	#1611
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Question for Dave D Thanks as always Dave.

Apr 21 2004, 02:47 PM	#1612
widiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Bend, WI Posts: 2,144	Re: Question for Dave D Dave: I am sure you have been asked this before but, when will the regular pro line orcs and beasts be coming out? I see you ran some pro line orcs for the japan open sponsor discs. Just wondering. __________________ www.widye.com www.ozdgc.com www.gldgc.com

Apr 21 2004, 03:18 PM	#1613
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Yeah I just asked Dave, (2 pages back) and he said not for a few weeks... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Apr 21 2004, 03:19 PM	#1614
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: Question for Dave D He said they are running low on regular Orcs so they are doing more of those now.

Apr 21 2004, 11:51 PM	#1615
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Hey Dave Not certain you were asked this question in this post: I was curious what methods are used to test the stability/speed, and just overall flight characteristics of each model disc Innova produces. Is it a machine that is set to whirl it at a set angle and speed each time? If so, how do you mesure the exact speed/rotation of the disc? It's just something i've always wondered.. A few more quick questions- will there ever be a DX Monster? I would love to see thoes, or even a Champion Monster X. Will you ever bring back the ProLine Monsters? I miss that run! Also, I think you guys should make a disc called "The Monkey"

Apr 22 2004, 02:33 PM	#1616
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D diron, testing is done by my staff and friends who play with them on courses they are familiar with. The monsters probably wont be run in dx but may be in the new Pro. Look for the next run of candy Monsters to be a little faster and a little more high speed stable overall. The original plastic used was almost impossible to produce any discs except extreme weight. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Apr 22 2004, 02:40 PM	#1617
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I highly suggest running a DX Monster.. I would love to be able to get my hands on thoes and beat 'em up. Something about this disc just feels right in my hands. I call it love I noticed with the First Run Aviar and Teebird the plastic itself is a little floppy (some may prefer it but I certainly don't) Do you know if it will be the same with the monster? Anyways, thanks for answering my question

Apr 22 2004, 02:58 PM	#1619
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D diron, if you are talking about the new Pro plastic, then yes, the Pro Monster will feel similar. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

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