Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[keithjohnson]

Originally Posted by exczar

Why does that make me think of Cheech and Chong?

Because even though I have never smoked - I recognize funny comedy bits.

[davei]

Originally Posted by dgdave

Dave,

has the wraith been retooled? Here's a picture of a wraith from a few years back and a new pro

The Wraith on the left has been trimmed too deeply. Same mold. Poor trimming.

[davei]

Originally Posted by dehaas

Dave, I'm sure this has been asked before but couldn't find an answer anywhere, but roughly when were the last runs of CE plastic ran? I have a CFR TL with a 2003 club stamp on it that I'm wondering about. That whole timeframe of the CE-proline-champion transition is when I first started playing and didn't pay enough attention at the time to know what was what. Thanks in advance.

We changed the name from CE to Champion in about 2004, but that is a guess. The plastic we use to make CE and Champion is always changing from the manufacturer.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Dave,
Why the retool on the XD? The new ones seem realy understable and domey. I really prefer the "micro" beaded ones with the flat top. A much better disc IMO.

Any chance of making Star XDs again? or Champion for that matter?

The stripper, (which had the micro bead), was worn out and replaced with the no bead version. The domey and understable is an artifact of the particular run, (plastic batch) not the mold difference.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Dave,
Any Idea is this one is realy black or dyed? Did you guys make some black ones of these I have only seen white til now. I know they can be dyed as I have dyed 2 of mine.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1st-Run-Pro...item43a00e0493

Could have happened as black is a normal pigment we use sparingly. I can't vouch for it though.

[flynvegas]

Dave,
Mangone has a DGA Kitty Hawk for sale and in the description he says Innova made this disc for them based on the Birdie mold. The disc has the normal Kitty Hawk stamp with 1984 on it. Did Innova make these?

[davei]

Originally Posted by flynvegas

Dave,
Mangone has a DGA Kitty Hawk for sale and in the description he says Innova made this disc for them based on the Birdie mold. The disc has the normal Kitty Hawk stamp with 1984 on it. Did Innova make these?

As far as I recall, the Kitty Hawk was a Puppy type disc. We made a Gumputt for DGA, at one time, but I don't think we ever made a Kitty Hawk for them unless they called the Gumputt a Kitty Hawk. We did make two types of Gumputts. One was based on the original (no thumtrac) Birdie, and one was based on the Polecat.

[Furthur]

Dave, I noticed that Zonedriven is getting ramped up for USDGC Rocs right now. Do you know if they will have standard Rancho thrower Rocs this year, or will they all be the R+ mold? Any chance of a thrower Rancho Glow?

[davei]

Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave, I noticed that Zonedriven is getting ramped up for USDGC Rocs right now. Do you know if they will have standard Rancho thrower Rocs this year, or will they all be the R+ mold? Any chance of a thrower Rancho Glow?

I would imagine they would have some thrower in most types. I believe the collectors are going to be R+. I don't know for sure. These are questions better directed at Jonathan Poole at the USDGC site.

[flynvegas]

I don't think there will be any Throwers this year, there will be multi stamped X outs. Total number of discs have been cut in half from previous years, to 1500. Partners will be limited to 9 each Collectors Series and 1 POW/ MIA. ZD will auction some of the highly collectible #1 discs on eBay. I've heard they will be Champion Ontario's.

ZD has really stepped up their game. I can't wait to recieve my order.

[flynvegas]

Some discs will be released to the public, from ZD

At this point we plan to release a few hundred discs, maybe less, via the pro shop at http://www.discgolfunited.com/ Partners will be able to order additional discs online at that time. An online release would not take place until all Partner orders have been shipped. The selection of discs for an online release has not been determined.

[Furthur]

Cool. Thanks for the info. I'm not really interested in the numbed collectable discs to throw (that's a bit of a waste for money). Whether they sell X-Outs or stamped throwers really makes no difference to me as long as they're cheap enough to throw.

[mf100forever]

Originally Posted by davei

As far as I recall, the Kitty Hawk was a Puppy type disc. We made a Gumputt for DGA, at one time, but I don't think we ever made a Kitty Hawk for them unless they called the Gumputt a Kitty Hawk. We did make two types of Gumputts. One was based on the original (no thumtrac) Birdie, and one was based on the Polecat.

All of the Kitty Hawks were made by DGA, except the very first which were made by Ben Wal Plastics.
Dave, can you remember whcih years you made the Gumputts, Birdie resp Polecat?

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

All of the Kitty Hawks were made by DGA, except the very first which were made by Ben Wal Plastics.
Dave, can you remember whcih years you made the Gumputts, Birdie resp Polecat?

I believe the original type round edge Birdie Gumputts were made in about 1992. The squarer edged type were probably about 1993.

[flynvegas]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

All of the Kitty Hawks were made by DGA, except the very first which were made by Ben Wal Plastics.

That's what I thought. I questioned because Mangone had said this in his item description.

[Fossil]

Dave
I thought everyone would get a kick out of this, it is the first suggestion that came up for the mis spelled name Dunipace in a list of pictures for DiscGolfer from the pro worlds as I corresponded with a photographer.

[flynvegas]

2010 USDGC Roc's.
The breakdown is as follows :
1124 Champion Roc+ Ranchos
225 Champion San Marinos
151 Champion Ontarios

[Furthur]

0 Ranchos .

[dgdave]

My thoughts exactly

[krazyeye]

Boo.

[prospect]

Dave,
I'm wondering if it would be possible to "recycle" CE discs, like you do with echo star, into new molds? Say, if I wanted a CE Destroyer, and I had two CE discs that I don't want, you grind 'em up and re-mold them. I know I'll get slayed for even considering this, but I love Destroyers way more than I love Leopards.

[warlocks00]

Even if this was possible, which I doubt it is since from what I understand Echo is unthrown, unused plastic...can you imagine the cost to produce you 1 discs?

[exczar]

Also, if you wanted to get a pure CE product, you would have to grind many discs to do it, because you would be starting a new run, and usually, those discs are no good in some way, mainly because the mold is not hot enough, and there would be no way to quickly regrind those initial discs to feed back into the hopper during the same run, so those discs made that way would be very expensive indeed, because you would to grind many, many discs before you got one good one. And that one would be probably a browish color, unless one was very careful about what color discs to grind to create the material for the new discs.

And yes, I do have a background in extrusion.

[gippy]

Originally Posted by prospect

Dave,
I'm wondering if it would be possible to "recycle" CE discs, like you do with echo star, into new molds? Say, if I wanted a CE Destroyer, and I had two CE discs that I don't want, you grind 'em up and re-mold them. I know I'll get slayed for even considering this, but I love Destroyers way more than I love Leopards.

I like leopard what do you want for them?

[davei]

Originally Posted by prospect

Dave,
I'm wondering if it would be possible to "recycle" CE discs, like you do with echo star, into new molds? Say, if I wanted a CE Destroyer, and I had two CE discs that I don't want, you grind 'em up and re-mold them. I know I'll get slayed for even considering this, but I love Destroyers way more than I love Leopards.

It is physically possible to grind up old CE and remake them. However, the product would not be the same, plus as Bill said, you would have to grind many old discs, at the proper weight, clean, repelletize and dry it, (as straight regrind would not run properly). If the old CE was out in the sunlight, it would have been subject to UV radiation which kills plastic over time. So, whatever characteristic you were looking for from your old CE, would be gone anyway.

[prospect]

I was just thinking that if someone had a grouping of new, unthrown CE, in the same color from the same run, that it might be possible. I understand the logistics would make it difficult, yet not impossible.

[rizbee]

Hey Dave - I just picked up an S-Line PD @ 149 grams. How would you compare the S-Line PD with other discs in the current Innova line?

[davei]

Originally Posted by rizbee

Hey Dave - I just picked up an S-Line PD @ 149 grams. How would you compare the S-Line PD with other discs in the current Innova line?

The PD is kind of like a cross between a TeeBird and Starfire, with a little Firebird thrown in. It has the speed of a 9+, the glide of a Viking or Valkyrie, with more stability than any other 9 speed disc other than the Firebird. From what I have been told, the first run was more over stable than the second.

[LastBoyScout]

To Quote some of the Fine Folks over at the DiscGolfReview.com Forums:

The PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

Also, might i suggest the Gospel of the PD?

http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums...278&start=1335

[DouglasDetroit]

any chance your going to make a run of champ starfire-L again, I have lost my CFR starefire-L and the star SL just doesn't seem to be the same disc,