Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 37

davei · Feb 23 2004, 08:34 PM

CE is a candy type material like Champion plastic. SE is a different type material that is more grippy than candy but not as durable. SE is an opaque and candy is see through.

vwkeepontruckin · Feb 23 2004, 09:30 PM

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CE is a candy type material like Champion plastic. SE is a different type material that is more grippy than candy but not as durable. SE is an opaque and candy is see through.

Is this like the plastic used for Pro Line discs, the predesesors to Champion (Candy)?

prairie_dawg · Feb 23 2004, 10:50 PM

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CE is a candy type material like Champion plastic. SE is a different type material that is more grippy than candy but not as durable. SE is an opaque and candy is see through.

Is this like the plastic used for Pro Line discs, the predesesors to Champion (Candy)?

I don't think so. SE was a special line of plastic that started in 1999 if I remember correctly. The KC Pro Signature line started several years prior.

I used the SE Leopard @ AM Worlds that year.

Definitely not as durable or stable as CE.

Feb 23 2004, 11:17 PM

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CE is a candy type material like Champion plastic. SE is a different type material that is more grippy than candy but not as durable. SE is an opaque and candy is see through.

Is this like the plastic used for Pro Line discs, the predesesors to Champion (Candy)?

I don't think so.

Definitely not. Proline was candy; SE wasn't. SE was similar, but not identical, to 9x and 10x KC driver plastic. SE TLs and Super Rocs were some of the sweetest-flying discs ever made, IMO. Can't wait to try the new run.

Feb 24 2004, 08:27 AM

I've got a few Proline Leopards and early 4x JK Pro Valkyrie (them white ones) that don't feel as if they're candy plastic, not see through that's for sure, they're still made in candy plastic??

Wynne

Feb 24 2004, 11:02 AM

Dave, since I have been reading another thread where the discussion is about the best selling disc of all time I thought I would just ask you. I was wondering if you knew what your all time best/most selling disc was?

mf100forever · Feb 24 2004, 11:23 AM

Just checked my discs/ SE=Speciel edition and the first "generation" KC and JK Pro seems to be made of almost the same plastic? Since 02 (

... I think) the JK and KC Proline are made from Candy like the Champion Line.
To do it a bit more komplex there were two generations of KC Proline (Up until 7xKC first generation and 8x to 10x second generation), but it seems its just the hotstamps that differ, the plastic feels the same. Then with 11x came the candy.
Dave, a comment?

Winter greetings!

Feb 24 2004, 11:41 AM

The 8x to 10x time could be considered the second generation but I know that is when the plastic started to change. The 9x teebirds that I throw feel like the SE type plastic whereas the 10x that I have has more of the candy type feel. I believe that they started mixing the SE and candy plastic during the 10x.

davei · Feb 24 2004, 12:03 PM

Our all time best seller is Aviar P&A

davei · Feb 24 2004, 12:05 PM

We never put SE in Candy type plastic, but we have put candy in SE type plastic to toughen it up. The original candy plastic had more filler in it so it wasn't as clear as they are now.

discchucker · Feb 24 2004, 12:07 PM

Yeah...I have couple of the first run of the SE TL and that plastic is the shizzle. Super grippy and durable. I would love to have that plastic back.

tafe · Feb 24 2004, 12:42 PM

Is this "Pro Aviar" a JK, KC or a new SE disc? Thanks.

jaymo · Feb 24 2004, 02:31 PM

when are those SE rocs gonna be out?? how are they stabilitywise compared to the 11x KC rocs? thanks.

davei · Feb 24 2004, 03:13 PM

The Pro Aviar is a driver mold out of SE type plastic.. Stable but not overly. The Pro Roc should be available Mar 1. Roc is overstable in tests.

rob · Feb 24 2004, 03:25 PM

I love you, man.

Feb 24 2004, 03:27 PM

thats awesome dave! can't wait to try the new old discs.

Feb 24 2004, 05:32 PM

When will the Pro Aviar be available? That sounds like something that may replace my 10x aviars.

james_mccaine · Feb 24 2004, 05:40 PM

Is a driver mold the mold used for KC aviars (big bead, correct)? Can I assume that if it is SE plastic, the disc will be relatively stiff?

davei · Feb 24 2004, 06:02 PM

Pro Aviar just needs to be stamped and shipped. Probably about two weeks, I would guess. It will be relatively stiff, but no more so than a driver aviar was or the new Classic is.

jaymo · Feb 24 2004, 07:57 PM

Dave you rock, thanks agian for answering all our crazy questions. one more about the SE plastic. I have a few of the valks and leopards (with the bar stamp that says "special edition") is that the same plastic used for this new batch? or is it tweaked a bit? thanks

Feb 24 2004, 08:20 PM

when will the orc be molded in that coolguy clear candy plastic?

Feb 24 2004, 09:32 PM

Don't know if I missed it or not.... but what's the status of the Champion XD ?

dannyreeves · Feb 24 2004, 10:54 PM

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when will the orc be molded in that coolguy clear candy plastic?

It already is.

vwkeepontruckin · Feb 24 2004, 11:44 PM

Is the SE plastic similar to the plastic with SE Soft Rhyno?
Also, what discs will be made in this plastic?
Thanks Dave!

jaymo · Feb 25 2004, 02:22 AM

Dave said they were going to make, teebirds, aviars, rocs, valks, leopards, and possibly beasts, orcs, and vikes.

i think thats all i saw posted so far...how am i doing?

davei · Feb 25 2004, 08:00 AM

jaymo, it is a version of it. In reality, the SE stuff is always being tweaked a little. It still is not in its final form, but close.

DiscGolfTool · Feb 25 2004, 10:34 PM

Most importantly where can we get the New SE Rocs on March 1st?? Are they fundraiser discs?
Thanks,
Matt

jaymo · Feb 25 2004, 10:49 PM

yeah i second that....(about the SE rocs)

tdwriter · Feb 25 2004, 11:17 PM

Bite your tongue Matt!

I think I've had enough of "fund raiser" discs for a while!

But I'm looking forward to these new SE Rocs!

rWc

Feb 26 2004, 06:52 AM

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Don't know if I missed it or not.... but what's the status of the Champion XD ?

I am also wondering about the Champion XD

Feb 23 2004, 08:34 PM	#1081
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D CE is a candy type material like Champion plastic. SE is a different type material that is more grippy than candy but not as durable. SE is an opaque and candy is see through. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2004, 08:27 AM	#1085
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I've got a few Proline Leopards and early 4x JK Pro Valkyrie (them white ones) that don't feel as if they're candy plastic, not see through that's for sure, they're still made in candy plastic?? Wynne

Feb 24 2004, 11:02 AM	#1086
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, since I have been reading another thread where the discussion is about the best selling disc of all time I thought I would just ask you. I was wondering if you knew what your all time best/most selling disc was?

Feb 24 2004, 11:23 AM	#1087
mf100forever PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lulea Sweden Posts: 752	Re: Question for Dave D Just checked my discs/ SE=Speciel edition and the first "generation" KC and JK Pro seems to be made of almost the same plastic? Since 02 ( ... I think) the JK and KC Proline are made from Candy like the Champion Line. To do it a bit more komplex there were two generations of KC Proline (Up until 7xKC first generation and 8x to 10x second generation), but it seems its just the hotstamps that differ, the plastic feels the same. Then with 11x came the candy. Dave, a comment? Winter greetings! __________________ (Disc)-gracefully yours, MF100forever # 3418 http://www.discgolfsweden.se/english/index.aspx

Feb 24 2004, 11:41 AM	#1088
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D The 8x to 10x time could be considered the second generation but I know that is when the plastic started to change. The 9x teebirds that I throw feel like the SE type plastic whereas the 10x that I have has more of the candy type feel. I believe that they started mixing the SE and candy plastic during the 10x.

Feb 24 2004, 12:03 PM	#1089
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Our all time best seller is Aviar P&A __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2004, 12:05 PM	#1090
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D We never put SE in Candy type plastic, but we have put candy in SE type plastic to toughen it up. The original candy plastic had more filler in it so it wasn't as clear as they are now. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2004, 12:07 PM	#1091
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Question for Dave D Yeah...I have couple of the first run of the SE TL and that plastic is the shizzle. Super grippy and durable. I would love to have that plastic back. __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Feb 24 2004, 12:42 PM	#1092
tafe PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The card behind you and coming up STRONG! Posts: 946	Re: Question for Dave D Is this "Pro Aviar" a JK, KC or a new SE disc? Thanks. __________________ "I wasn't born with enough middle fingers." Marilyn Manson

Feb 24 2004, 02:31 PM	#1093
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D when are those SE rocs gonna be out?? how are they stabilitywise compared to the 11x KC rocs? thanks. __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Feb 24 2004, 03:13 PM	#1094
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D The Pro Aviar is a driver mold out of SE type plastic.. Stable but not overly. The Pro Roc should be available Mar 1. Roc is overstable in tests. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2004, 03:25 PM	#1095
rob PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 709	Re: Question for Dave D I love you, man.

Feb 24 2004, 03:27 PM	#1096
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D thats awesome dave! can't wait to try the new old discs.

Feb 24 2004, 05:32 PM	#1097
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D When will the Pro Aviar be available? That sounds like something that may replace my 10x aviars.

Feb 24 2004, 05:40 PM	#1098
james_mccaine PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 4,404	Re: Question for Dave D Is a driver mold the mold used for KC aviars (big bead, correct)? Can I assume that if it is SE plastic, the disc will be relatively stiff?

Feb 24 2004, 06:02 PM	#1099
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Pro Aviar just needs to be stamped and shipped. Probably about two weeks, I would guess. It will be relatively stiff, but no more so than a driver aviar was or the new Classic is. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2004, 07:57 PM	#1100
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Dave you rock, thanks agian for answering all our crazy questions. one more about the SE plastic. I have a few of the valks and leopards (with the bar stamp that says "special edition") is that the same plastic used for this new batch? or is it tweaked a bit? thanks __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Feb 24 2004, 08:20 PM	#1101
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D when will the orc be molded in that coolguy clear candy plastic?

Feb 24 2004, 09:32 PM	#1102
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Don't know if I missed it or not.... but what's the status of the Champion XD ?

Feb 24 2004, 11:44 PM	#1104
vwkeepontruckin PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Anytown USA Posts: 1,583	Re: Question for Dave D Is the SE plastic similar to the plastic with SE Soft Rhyno? Also, what discs will be made in this plastic? Thanks Dave!

Feb 25 2004, 02:22 AM	#1105
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Dave said they were going to make, teebirds, aviars, rocs, valks, leopards, and possibly beasts, orcs, and vikes. i think thats all i saw posted so far...how am i doing? __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Feb 25 2004, 08:00 AM	#1106
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D jaymo, it is a version of it. In reality, the SE stuff is always being tweaked a little. It still is not in its final form, but close. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 25 2004, 10:34 PM	#1107
DiscGolfTool Membership Expired Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangor, PA Posts: 197	Re: Question for Dave D Most importantly where can we get the New SE Rocs on March 1st?? Are they fundraiser discs? Thanks, Matt __________________ Drinking and Putting works better then Drinking and Driving

Feb 25 2004, 10:49 PM	#1108
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D yeah i second that....(about the SE rocs) __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Feb 25 2004, 11:17 PM	#1109
tdwriter Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Dirty South Posts: 675	Re: Question for Dave D Bite your tongue Matt! I think I've had enough of "fund raiser" discs for a while! But I'm looking forward to these new SE Rocs! rWc

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