Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 368

gippy · Mar 04 2010, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhynoBoy

There were some "soft" 11x rocs that were just DX rocs, with the wrong stamp on them.

Not True they are gummy feeling not like DX They are what people should throw in cold temps to avoid breaking their good KCs like I did to a well seasoned 10X today AAAHHHH

veganray · Mar 04 2010, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weaves

does it have the factory second stamp on it? I have one of those and it has the 11x roc stamp on it. It is a super roc.

Seems like he wants to believe it is a "SB" Roc (Special Blend?):
http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums...hp?f=7&t=16800

rickm · Mar 04 2010, 03:26 PM

yea it has that stamp. Boo. Just a super roc eh? Yeah ray I was thinking and hopingit was. Nothin wrong with that. I just got mislead by my friend and a few other people. Dave stated it was just a blend so anyway. It's a super roc.

gippy · Mar 04 2010, 03:28 PM

Well that does look like a super Roc and the markings and center mold injection spot looks like my Supers too HHHMMMM

AirMcNair · Mar 05 2010, 12:40 AM

Dave,

I don't know if anyone has asked this before but here it goes. I was wondering if Innova will ever make the Classic Roc in Champion plastic as a stock run anymore?

zj1002 · Mar 05 2010, 08:54 AM

Hey Dave,

I have thrown the Innova Puma for a couple years now and always enjoyed the disc. I was curious if you(or someone else here) could recommend a small diameter mid with flight closest to the Puma. I don't really want to look for more Puma's since they are OOP and I am assuming Innova has no plans to ever bring it back.

Thanks for any insight anyone might have!
-Zach J

Furthur · Mar 05 2010, 10:29 AM

This is just a shot in the dark, but are the Ice Bowl '10 dx Rocs actually Roc+'s? They're super domey, like a San Marino, so I was curious if they were different.

rickm · Mar 05 2010, 11:45 AM

the one I have doesn't seem to have the characteristics of a r+ chris. Tilted innter rim would be the first give away but mine didn't have that. Seemed like a reg rancho.I could be wrong though

John Keith · Mar 05 2010, 11:56 AM

has anybody thown these new Teebirds...?
are they any different in flight, I know they are suppossed to be same, just wondering if we can get any feedback.

Trey133 · Mar 05 2010, 12:28 PM

So far I have a blue and a yellow,

The yellow was very overstable and a lot stiffer than the blue, my blue flies like a brand new clear 11x, with decent glide, and that reliable fade at the end. Fought a good headwind last night.

davei · Mar 05 2010, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AirMcNair

Dave,

I don't know if anyone has asked this before but here it goes. I was wondering if Innova will ever make the Classic Roc in Champion plastic as a stock run anymore?

Probably not. Could be in CFR though.

davei · Mar 05 2010, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zj1002

Hey Dave,

I have thrown the Innova Puma for a couple years now and always enjoyed the disc. I was curious if you(or someone else here) could recommend a small diameter mid with flight closest to the Puma. I don't really want to look for more Puma's since they are OOP and I am assuming Innova has no plans to ever bring it back.

Thanks for any insight anyone might have!
-Zach J

The closest, I believe, would be a Discmania GM. That was a Gremlin.

John Keith · Mar 05 2010, 03:44 PM

PD 1 these putters, can any body explain these putters, From what I understand there are 2 diff type PD putters>? I have heard people that Like them but I know nothing about them? can any one explain what they are? flight char? compared to a ? good for ? Whats the big deal ? I am intirested...thanks

billnchristy · Mar 05 2010, 06:35 PM

Hey Dave, there is a debate going on DGCR on whether or not the GM is technically approved.

The not approved camp says it is not because it has gone through a name change and therefore would need new approval ala Sniper to Gremlin

The approved camp says since it is a Gremlin and has not changed the mold it should continue to be approved.

So...does it need to be re-approved?

davei · Mar 05 2010, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billnchristy

Hey Dave, there is a debate going on DGCR on whether or not the GM is technically approved.

The not approved camp says it is not because it has gone through a name change and therefore would need new approval ala Sniper to Gremlin

The approved camp says since it is a Gremlin and has not changed the mold it should continue to be approved.

So...does it need to be re-approved?

The Gremlin has been approved for quite a while. Discmania has two names for their discs. One is a basic designation for what the disc does, and the other is the regular name. The designation for the Gremlin is GM, which stands for Greater Midrange, but the name is still Gremlin. The PD, for example is designated a power driver, but it's name is Freak.

John Keith · Mar 06 2010, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

PD 1 these putters, can any body explain these putters, From what I understand there are 2 diff type PD putters>? I have heard people that Like them but I know nothing about them? can any one explain what they are? flight char? compared to a ? good for ? Whats the big deal ? I am intirested...thanks

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flynvegas · Mar 06 2010, 08:12 AM

PD very close to a beadless Aviar.

davei · Mar 06 2010, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flynvegas

PD very close to a beadless Aviar.

A PD is closer to a Starfire. A P1 is like a beadless Aviar. A P2 is a beadless driver Aviar. Close to a JK or KC Aviar but no bead and not as over stable.

John Keith · Mar 06 2010, 10:56 PM

wow, arent you throwing one of these putters dave? is the plastic good? which types of plastic?

davei · Mar 07 2010, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

wow, arent you throwing one of these putters dave? is the plastic good? which types of plastic?

I was throwing the P-Line P1 for a while, then I switched to the P-line P2 and threw that very happily until the Dart came out. Now I use the Star Dart. The plastic for the P1 and P2 is an R-Pro type with a lot of grip. While the P1 made an excellent putter, it didn't hold up well for driving. The P2 was a little more stable and held up very well for driving or putting. My opinion is that the P2 is the best of all the Aviar models for high speed stability, grip, and less low speed over stability. The KC and JK both drive about the same, but because they finish with more dive, they are not as straight of a putter.

20460chase · Mar 07 2010, 05:45 PM

Mighty strong words.

John Keith · Mar 08 2010, 12:15 AM

yes, it sounds like a good putter. I still like the BB Aviar, I think its beast ya'll make, but I drive with the JK-X, im not sure why but that works best for me.

warlocks00 · Mar 08 2010, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

I still like the BB Aviar, I think its beast ya'll make.

Champion BB Aviars....simply the best!
Wish they were still being made!

AviarX · Mar 08 2010, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

yes, it sounds like a good putter. I still like the BB Aviar, I think its beast ya'll make, but I drive with the JK-X, im not sure why but that works best for me.

The JK is a big bead -- is there some other difference? The JK also skips less due to its grip (excepting the atypical 'hard' JK runs). I like it for drives because it is more stable into wind and the added stability also keeps it from as much gliding off course...

Dave, do you recommend straighter Aviars for putting because compensating for the low speed dive when executing a putt is more complicated and therefore more problematic?

DSproAVIAR · Mar 08 2010, 10:05 AM

Dave,

Are these similar to the beefy Tbirds that DGValues is selling?

http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_d...=533&PPQT1=267

What makes them "plus" and what differences in can we expect in flight? More overstable?

John Keith · Mar 08 2010, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviarX

The JK is a big bead -- is there some other difference? The JK also skips less due to its grip (excepting the atypical 'hard' JK runs). I like it for drives because it is more stable into wind and the added stability also keeps it from as much gliding off course...

Dave, do you recommend straighter Aviars for putting because compensating for the low speed dive when executing a putt is more complicated and therefore more problematic?

yes I agree I drive with the JK-X cause they are more stable and can handle my driving arm , and fade very predictable. , I put with the DX BB cause they fly straiter and glide better so putts go straiter.

davei · Mar 08 2010, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviarX

The JK is a big bead -- is there some other difference? The JK also skips less due to its grip (excepting the atypical 'hard' JK runs). I like it for drives because it is more stable into wind and the added stability also keeps it from as much gliding off course...

Dave, do you recommend straighter Aviars for putting because compensating for the low speed dive when executing a putt is more complicated and therefore more problematic?

Yes, and the potential for rolling away on hill sides.

davei · Mar 08 2010, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave,

Are these similar to the beefy Tbirds that DGValues is selling?

http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_d...=533&PPQT1=267

What makes them "plus" and what differences in can we expect in flight? More overstable?

Yes, same thing. There is no appreciable difference in flight as far as I can tell. The only difference is the feel in your hand. I don't like small rims, and this feels better to me. I am now carrying one of these and a Roc+too. I always wanted the performance of a TeeBird or Roc, but was not able to properly throw them, so I didn't, until now. Both discs were not comfortable for me in their original configuration. Now they both feel comfortable.

dehaas · Mar 08 2010, 06:54 PM

Dave, I like buying x-out discs beacuse I can get premium plastic for cheaper...bubbles in the rim or cosmetic discoloration doesn't bother me at all. I've noticed that it seems like a majority of x-outs are drivers, and I was just curious if that is because you simply make more drivers than midranges or putters, or if drivers are more prone to flaws. Regardless, it's cool that you offer them at a discounted price, it makes it a lot easier to pick up a new disc to try it out and learn it if you can save a few bucks in the process. Also, I picked up an echo star dart and absolutely love it. I haven't thrown the r-pro at all, because I wanted something durable...but I'm really digging the echo star. Are there any plans for more runs of it?

davei · Mar 09 2010, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dehaas

Dave, I like buying x-out discs beacuse I can get premium plastic for cheaper...bubbles in the rim or cosmetic discoloration doesn't bother me at all. I've noticed that it seems like a majority of x-outs are drivers, and I was just curious if that is because you simply make more drivers than midranges or putters, or if drivers are more prone to flaws. Regardless, it's cool that you offer them at a discounted price, it makes it a lot easier to pick up a new disc to try it out and learn it if you can save a few bucks in the process. Also, I picked up an echo star dart and absolutely love it. I haven't thrown the r-pro at all, because I wanted something durable...but I'm really digging the echo star. Are there any plans for more runs of it?

The drivers are more in demand as X outs, and generally produce more flaws because of the thick rim. Bubbles generally occur in the rim.

We will be running Echo Star Darts when we can. Hopefully, most of the time.

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rickm PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: gtown tx Posts: 72	yea it has that stamp. Boo. Just a super roc eh? Yeah ray I was thinking and hopingit was. Nothin wrong with that. I just got mislead by my friend and a few other people. Dave stated it was just a blend so anyway. It's a super roc. Last edited by rickm; Mar 04 2010 at 03:32 PM.

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zj1002 Community Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11	Puma Hey Dave, I have thrown the Innova Puma for a couple years now and always enjoyed the disc. I was curious if you(or someone else here) could recommend a small diameter mid with flight closest to the Puma. I don't really want to look for more Puma's since they are OOP and I am assuming Innova has no plans to ever bring it back. Thanks for any insight anyone might have! -Zach J

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Mar 04 2010, 03:28 PM	#11014
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	Well that does look like a super Roc and the markings and center mold injection spot looks like my Supers too HHHMMMM

Mar 05 2010, 12:40 AM	#11015
AirMcNair Community Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: M'boro, TN Posts: 15	Dave, I don't know if anyone has asked this before but here it goes. I was wondering if Innova will ever make the Classic Roc in Champion plastic as a stock run anymore?

Mar 05 2010, 10:29 AM	#11017
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	This is just a shot in the dark, but are the Ice Bowl '10 dx Rocs actually Roc+'s? They're super domey, like a San Marino, so I was curious if they were different.

Mar 05 2010, 11:45 AM	#11018
rickm PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: gtown tx Posts: 72	the one I have doesn't seem to have the characteristics of a r+ chris. Tilted innter rim would be the first give away but mine didn't have that. Seemed like a reg rancho.I could be wrong though

Mar 05 2010, 11:56 AM	#11019
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	has anybody thown these new Teebirds...? are they any different in flight, I know they are suppossed to be same, just wondering if we can get any feedback.

Mar 05 2010, 12:28 PM	#11020
Trey133 PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 114	So far I have a blue and a yellow, The yellow was very overstable and a lot stiffer than the blue, my blue flies like a brand new clear 11x, with decent glide, and that reliable fade at the end. Fought a good headwind last night.

Mar 05 2010, 03:44 PM	#11023
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	PD 1 these putters, can any body explain these putters, From what I understand there are 2 diff type PD putters>? I have heard people that Like them but I know nothing about them? can any one explain what they are? flight char? compared to a ? good for ? Whats the big deal ? I am intirested...thanks

Mar 05 2010, 06:35 PM	#11024
billnchristy PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 60	Hey Dave, there is a debate going on DGCR on whether or not the GM is technically approved. The not approved camp says it is not because it has gone through a name change and therefore would need new approval ala Sniper to Gremlin The approved camp says since it is a Gremlin and has not changed the mold it should continue to be approved. So...does it need to be re-approved?

Mar 06 2010, 08:12 AM	#11027
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	PD very close to a beadless Aviar.

Mar 06 2010, 10:56 PM	#11029
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	wow, arent you throwing one of these putters dave? is the plastic good? which types of plastic?

Mar 08 2010, 12:15 AM	#11032
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	yes, it sounds like a good putter. I still like the BB Aviar, I think its beast ya'll make, but I drive with the JK-X, im not sure why but that works best for me.

Mar 08 2010, 10:05 AM	#11035
DSproAVIAR PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Skillet Posts: 2,506	Dave, Are these similar to the beefy Tbirds that DGValues is selling? http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_d...=533&PPQT1=267 What makes them "plus" and what differences in can we expect in flight? More overstable?

Mar 08 2010, 06:54 PM	#11039
dehaas Community Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lebanon, IL Posts: 107	Dave, I like buying x-out discs beacuse I can get premium plastic for cheaper...bubbles in the rim or cosmetic discoloration doesn't bother me at all. I've noticed that it seems like a majority of x-outs are drivers, and I was just curious if that is because you simply make more drivers than midranges or putters, or if drivers are more prone to flaws. Regardless, it's cool that you offer them at a discounted price, it makes it a lot easier to pick up a new disc to try it out and learn it if you can save a few bucks in the process. Also, I picked up an echo star dart and absolutely love it. I haven't thrown the r-pro at all, because I wanted something durable...but I'm really digging the echo star. Are there any plans for more runs of it?