Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 367

drdisc · Feb 28 2010, 11:45 PM

Maybe it is a "Wiley Coyote"?

mikeP · Mar 01 2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

So the Makko is a san marion beadless coyote and a coyote is a beaded disc from Rancho???Im confused. Or there is a base mold that your working from?

Coyote has no bead. As I understand the only difference between the Mako and Coyote is that the Coyote has a Rancho Roc top and the Mako has a San Marino Roc top.

davei · Mar 01 2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rizbee

Sounds like the Ranch-stable Mako is called the Coyote?

Yes. The only part that the two share, is the lower outer bevel. Neither has a bead. The Coyote has been slightly retooled from the original and is slightly more stable than the original. The original flight numbers on the Coyote were 4,5,-1,1. The new numbers are 4,5,0,1. The flight numbers on the Mako are 4,5,0,0. These could also have been 4,5,-1/2,0, but it is pretty straight unless you hit it pretty hard or are throwing into a wind.

futurecollisions · Mar 01 2010, 02:48 PM

Hey Dave,

Do you know if this page http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/index.html will be updated with all the new discs?

Thanks

pdiddy71 · Mar 01 2010, 07:39 PM

Dave, is there a release date for the r pro rhyno? thanks

davei · Mar 01 2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Hey Dave,

Do you know if this page http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/index.html will be updated with all the new discs?

Thanks

The web site is currently being revamped so that new updates will be easier to apply. The page will be revised when the site is updated. I don't know when it is scheduled to go live, but they have been working on it for a long time and seem to be close.

John Keith · Mar 01 2010, 09:14 PM

wow, Im loving this Star Makko. It is crazy...crazy long annys. Its going farther on anny than just about anything I have even soem drivers. wow iM amazed. it can and will hold a hyzer, im scared to trust it for hyzer so i dont, but i have thrown it on hyzer and was amazed....but wow so far im loving it. and I have had great success putting when the wind was kickn to much for my putter. over all im very intrigued with this thing.

discette · Mar 02 2010, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Hey Dave,

Do you know if this page http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/index.html will be updated with all the new discs?

Thanks

Page has been updated.

gokayaksteven · Mar 02 2010, 10:20 AM

is the mako really more stable than the coyote?
is the kite more stable than the panther?

i thought the opposite was true of these 2 comparisons...

futurecollisions · Mar 02 2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

The web site is currently being revamped so that new updates will be easier to apply. The page will be revised when the site is updated. I don't know when it is scheduled to go live, but they have been working on it for a long time and seem to be close.

Sounds good, thanks Dave. It would be cool to also see links to previous discs, but im sure that would be a huge task

wheresdave · Mar 02 2010, 10:53 AM

What's model is a disc marked SN on the bottom. Thanks in advance Dave.

John Keith · Mar 02 2010, 11:17 AM

if the coyote is more stable, i will have to throw with makko and see how they work together.

flynvegas · Mar 02 2010, 11:28 AM

Dave,
I have a wooden mold of the Brand X 44X fastback. I got this from Victor years ago. Was this a common practice when designing a mold back then?

John Keith · Mar 02 2010, 11:50 AM

if the coyote is more over stable than the Makko, then why is the makko positioned on the left (hyzer) side of the coyote, making the makko look more over stable than the coyote on your web chart....

discette · Mar 02 2010, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

if the coyote is more over stable than the Makko, then why is the makko positioned on the left (hyzer) side of the coyote, making the makko look more over stable than the coyote on your web chart....

Page has been updated.

John Keith · Mar 02 2010, 12:44 PM

I know it was just update and the makko is listed as more over stable than coyote, but I thought Dave just said Makko is understable comapred to Coyote??
And a buddy who is throwing both says that he believes the coyote to be more understable? Im wondering cause if coyote is more overstable than I will give try, but if more under than Makko, I have no need.

LastBoyScout · Mar 02 2010, 05:36 PM

To recap for those of you just tuning in, of for those TL;DR people out there:

Coyote: Rancho Roc Top Mako: San Marino Roc Top

Coyote Specs: 4, 5, 0, 1 Mako Specs: 4, 5, 0, 0

Stability: Coyote > Mako

Understabilty: Mako > Coyote

davei · Mar 02 2010, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheresdave

What's model is a disc marked SN on the bottom. Thanks in advance Dave.

I believe it was the code for Sniper. The Sniper became the Gremlin and is now a Discmania disc.

davei · Mar 02 2010, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flynvegas

Dave,
I have a wooden mold of the Brand X 44X fastback. I got this from Victor years ago. Was this a common practice when designing a mold back then?

I doubt it, but I don't know if Brand X did. We never made models this way. They break too easily.

davei · Mar 02 2010, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

I know it was just update and the makko is listed as more over stable than coyote, but I thought Dave just said Makko is understable comapred to Coyote??
And a buddy who is throwing both says that he believes the coyote to be more understable? Im wondering cause if coyote is more overstable than I will give try, but if more under than Makko, I have no need.

Your buddy might be right if he is throwing an old Coyote. The new Champion Coyotes are definitely more stable than the Mako.

John Keith · Mar 02 2010, 09:03 PM

thanks dave

mf100forever · Mar 03 2010, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

I believe it was the code for Sniper. The Sniper became the Gremlin and is now a Discmania disc.

I have a Sidewinder that is marked "SN" under it, bad pen or stressed writer, who knows.

rickm · Mar 04 2010, 12:03 AM

dave, i received a roc in a trade tonight from a friend of mine and was wondering if you could shed some light on it.he said its a special blend 11x kc pro roc. its gummy and kinda slick,and tacky somewhat, just like the 06 usdgc sb rocs. any idea about if its one of a kind or if there are more? thanks

RhynoBoy · Mar 04 2010, 01:14 AM

There were some "soft" 11x rocs that were just DX rocs, with the wrong stamp on them.

rickm · Mar 04 2010, 08:06 AM

well this one feels like sb but I've been askin other people and it seems the majority believe it's a mistamped 07 or 06 super roc.

flynvegas · Mar 04 2010, 08:46 AM

I have about a dozen of those softer KC 11X Roc's. They feel to me just like the Little Wing Roc's. Not stiff enough to be SB, and still softer than the Super Roc.

I see people on eBay selling them upwards of $20.

davei · Mar 04 2010, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickm

dave, i received a roc in a trade tonight from a friend of mine and was wondering if you could shed some light on it.he said its a special blend 11x kc pro roc. its gummy and kinda slick,and tacky somewhat, just like the 06 usdgc sb rocs. any idea about if its one of a kind or if there are more? thanks

I don't really know but it could be an early Pro blend like the Pro Leopards were made out of. Just a guess. If it is the stuff I am thinking of, it has a dull haze on the surface that can be wiped off.

davei · Mar 04 2010, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flynvegas

I have about a dozen of those softer KC 11X Roc's. They feel to me just like the Little Wing Roc's. Not stiff enough to be SB, and still softer than the Super Roc.

I see people on eBay selling them upwards of $20.

I don't think this is what Rick is referring to. There were some KC Pro 11X that were a little softer and tackier. This is a distinct material from SB. KC Pro Rocs are currently made without any of the softer tackier stuff.

rickm · Mar 04 2010, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

I don't really know but it could be an early Pro blend like the Pro Leopards were made out of. Just a guess. If it is the stuff I am thinking of, it has a dull haze on the surface that can be wiped off.

yes it does have a haze that can be wiped off,gummy and feels like a blend of some sort. I'm guessing there's no way to determine it's worth or rarity with out you actually seeing it in person right?

weaves · Mar 04 2010, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickm

dave, i received a roc in a trade tonight from a friend of mine and was wondering if you could shed some light on it.he said its a special blend 11x kc pro roc. its gummy and kinda slick,and tacky somewhat, just like the 06 usdgc sb rocs. any idea about if its one of a kind or if there are more? thanks

does it have the factory second stamp on it? I have one of those and it has the 11x roc stamp on it. It is a super roc.

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Mar 01 2010, 02:48 PM	#10984
futurecollisions PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: houston Posts: 235	Hey Dave, Do you know if this page http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/index.html will be updated with all the new discs? Thanks

Mar 01 2010, 07:39 PM	#10985
pdiddy71 Community Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lynchburg,va Posts: 178	Dave, is there a release date for the r pro rhyno? thanks

Mar 01 2010, 09:14 PM	#10987
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	wow, Im loving this Star Makko. It is crazy...crazy long annys. Its going farther on anny than just about anything I have even soem drivers. wow iM amazed. it can and will hold a hyzer, im scared to trust it for hyzer so i dont, but i have thrown it on hyzer and was amazed....but wow so far im loving it. and I have had great success putting when the wind was kickn to much for my putter. over all im very intrigued with this thing.

Mar 02 2010, 10:20 AM	#10989
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	is the mako really more stable than the coyote? is the kite more stable than the panther? i thought the opposite was true of these 2 comparisons...

Mar 02 2010, 11:17 AM	#10992
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	if the coyote is more stable, i will have to throw with makko and see how they work together.

Mar 02 2010, 11:28 AM	#10993
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	Dave, I have a wooden mold of the Brand X 44X fastback. I got this from Victor years ago. Was this a common practice when designing a mold back then?

Mar 02 2010, 11:50 AM	#10994
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	if the coyote is more over stable than the Makko, then why is the makko positioned on the left (hyzer) side of the coyote, making the makko look more over stable than the coyote on your web chart....

Mar 02 2010, 12:44 PM	#10996
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	I know it was just update and the makko is listed as more over stable than coyote, but I thought Dave just said Makko is understable comapred to Coyote?? And a buddy who is throwing both says that he believes the coyote to be more understable? Im wondering cause if coyote is more overstable than I will give try, but if more under than Makko, I have no need.

Mar 02 2010, 05:36 PM	#10997
LastBoyScout PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 134	To recap for those of you just tuning in, of for those TL;DR people out there: Coyote: Rancho Roc Top Mako: San Marino Roc Top Coyote Specs: 4, 5, 0, 1 Mako Specs: 4, 5, 0, 0 Stability: Coyote > Mako Understabilty: Mako > Coyote

Mar 02 2010, 09:03 PM	#11001
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	thanks dave

Mar 04 2010, 12:03 AM	#11003
rickm PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: gtown tx Posts: 72	dave, i received a roc in a trade tonight from a friend of mine and was wondering if you could shed some light on it.he said its a special blend 11x kc pro roc. its gummy and kinda slick,and tacky somewhat, just like the 06 usdgc sb rocs. any idea about if its one of a kind or if there are more? thanks

Mar 04 2010, 01:14 AM	#11004
RhynoBoy PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The Sunflower State Posts: 519	There were some "soft" 11x rocs that were just DX rocs, with the wrong stamp on them.

Mar 04 2010, 08:06 AM	#11005
rickm PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: gtown tx Posts: 72	well this one feels like sb but I've been askin other people and it seems the majority believe it's a mistamped 07 or 06 super roc.

Mar 04 2010, 08:46 AM	#11006
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	I have about a dozen of those softer KC 11X Roc's. They feel to me just like the Little Wing Roc's. Not stiff enough to be SB, and still softer than the Super Roc. I see people on eBay selling them upwards of $20.