Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[20460chase]

Good luck selling it. Probably be a better wall hanger than money maker. There isnt much Millennium collectability, unless your a fan of the company.

The old barstamped opaque CE/ Q plastic can carry premiums, and the CE-JLS is a pretty collectable disc due to the run numbers and the fact it says "CE" .

[PBeagle]

Originally Posted by davei

I don't know much about collecting, but I do know that the Tachyon was the first Millennium driver and the first disc to use the Millennium type plastic. It was an extra stable Viper type disc, but not the Viper. I don't believe it was ever made in Quantum or Sirius plastic.

so how rare of a disc would this be? lets say new and Black with a Gold stamp...

[MattyInRR]

Not rare... is it a first run? ebay value is probably $15 if there was someone who wanted it...

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Bought a Polecat in R-Pro recently, I heard that is was retooled, I compared with an old one (94?) and couldn´t see any differences?
What are the changes and when was it retooled?

The old Polecat got unstable quickly. The new one is much more stable and will stay that way longer.

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by PBeagle

so how rare of a disc would this be? lets say new and Black with a Gold stamp...

Id agree with $15. With it being black, maybe $20. Who knows though.

Are there numbers on it? Like 1.1 or 1.2 ?

Pretty sure the first runs were Star Stamped.

[flynvegas]

There's one on eBay now being sold as a Viper. Buy it Now $15

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-School-viper...item439cf03844

[mf100forever]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Id agree with $15. With it being black, maybe $20. Who knows though.

Are there numbers on it? Like 1.1 or 1.2 ?

Pretty sure the first runs were Star Stamped.

All Millennium Tachyon runs were stamped... (Except the ones with the nosebead!), there were 4 mold variations, do not know how many runs threr within those mold except for the last run, just one and it was really overstable (4.1).

[mf100forever]

Originally Posted by davei

The old Polecat got unstable quickly. The new one is much more stable and will stay that way longer.

Thanx Dave, when did you modify the mold?

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Thanx Dave, when did you modify the mold?

At least a year ago. Probably two. That same modification was used for the Classic Roc. It made it look and fly like the original Roc instead of an XD.

[two5twosix9]

My echo teebirds and destroyers, for me, fly much further than their star or champ counterparts. What is the word on the echo boss, how does it fly compared to the star or champ?

I found a 136 DX wraith for my son today. If a wraith can get to 136 can a boss get down in weight in the DX? Do you plan to run any DX bosses?

[dehaas]

I love my echo boss, flies farther than my champion or star ones. It seems to have a lot more glide, and isn't as overstable. The two champion bosses I have are both Feldbergs, and the star I have is a 174, same weight as my echo. For me, my star was more overstable than my champions, and I haven't thrown a pro boss yet. People claim there is a noticeable difference between the earlier champion bosses and the ones being sold now in terms of stability...I haven't thrown any of the early ones that have a bit more flip to them. I think once this echo wears in a bit, it should have a touch of flip to it. I've only had one good round of use with it though. It's definitely the go to distance disc already.

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave, does the east coast office have the echo boss yet?

[gokayaksteven]

how do we ask for thr new star gator-x's? do all the new star gators w/ a bead have the flight ratings on them? have they been shipped to retailers? thanks

[johnbiscoe]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave, does the east coast office have the echo boss yet?

according to yesterdays custom stamp order sheet they have eco star boss in weights above 170.

[sidehuk]

Wondering if anyone can help me identify what type of plastic a 2002 PDGA National Doubles stamped classic roc was made out of. Under the stamp is Circle R Ranch-Wimberly/Blanco, Texas. The back says ontario just like champ classic rocs do but the plastic feels like some kind of pro blend. You can't see through it when you hold it up to light and feels slightly grippier than most champ or ce plastic. Any feedback or knowledge would be much appreciated, thanx

[Furthur]

I know that one of my doubles discs that i had at some point was a Millennium disc (from 2000, a Sentinel), and was like you described. Are you sure it's a classic Roc?

[sidehuk]

Pretty sure it's a classic roc with the initials CR on back. Although when you mentioned that I compared the mold side by side with a champion classic roc and where the champ nose seems vertically flatter the other is a little more rounded. Hope you can kinda see it in the pic.

[davei]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

My echo teebirds and destroyers, for me, fly much further than their star or champ counterparts. What is the word on the echo boss, how does it fly compared to the star or champ?

I found a 136 DX wraith for my son today. If a wraith can get to 136 can a boss get down in weight in the DX? Do you plan to run any DX bosses?

We have no plans for DX Bosses, but we have and will run R-Pro. They can go down that low in weight.

[dgdave]

Originally Posted by sidehuk

Pretty sure it's a classic roc with the initials CR on back. Although when you mentioned that I compared the mold side by side with a champion classic roc and where the champ nose seems vertically flatter the other is a little more rounded. Hope you can kinda see it in the pic.

Its a CE CLassic Roc

[thediscinmusician]

I have searched and searched and have found no information on this so I'm coming here for answers. I have a tourney disc from the 2002 Channahon Classic in Channahon, IL. If I remember right it's a CE Shark. It's a large diameter disc. It doesn't have a bead but it has a lip almost on the underside. I'll post pics, but I was just wondering if I could get some info on this disc and if it really is CE plastic. I'm pretty sure it is. Someone help!

[gippy]

Originally Posted by thediscinmusician

I have searched and searched and have found no information on this so I'm coming here for answers. I have a tourney disc from the 2002 Channahon Classic in Channahon, IL. If I remember right it's a CE Shark. It's a large diameter disc. It doesn't have a bead but it has a lip almost on the underside. I'll post pics, but I was just wondering if I could get some info on this disc and if it really is CE plastic. I'm pretty sure it is. Someone help!

It is a Shark but not CE there was no "CE" Shark

[thediscinmusician]

But back in 2002 they hadn't started making the "champion" material yet. It was just CE KC Pro and DX? Am I right? That's really what I'm checking on. When did that switch happen when Innova switched over from CE to "Candy Pro" and eventually the now "champion" line. I have an article I printed off way back in 2002. At the bottom it's dated 10/18/2002 explaining the process they were getting ready to do of switching over. Well this tournament was a month before this article was printed and I'm sure the discs were made before that so I would have to say it's CE! Just my input. I'll see if I can get a clear enough picture of the article and post it for all to read. I'm so glad I printed that out 8 years ago! I've scanned both articles in that I have. Hope this helps on some of the confusion everyone has on this subject.

[davei]

Originally Posted by thediscinmusician

But back in 2002 they hadn't started making the "champion" material yet. It was just CE KC Pro and DX? Am I right? That's really what I'm checking on. When did that switch happen when Innova switched over from CE to "Candy Pro" and eventually the now "champion" line. I have an article I printed off way back in 2002. At the bottom it's dated 10/18/2002 explaining the process they were getting ready to do of switching over. Well this tournament was a month before this article was printed and I'm sure the discs were made before that so I would have to say it's CE! Just my input. I'll see if I can get a clear enough picture of the article and post it for all to read. I'm so glad I printed that out 8 years ago! I've attached a picture of the article

CE and Candy came out at the same time. The first release of any kind was in 2000 at Worlds. Clear Candy TeeBirds.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

how do we ask for thr new star gator-x's? do all the new star gators w/ a bead have the flight ratings on them? have they been shipped to retailers? thanks

New Star Gators are X type, as were the beadless version. The new beaded run do have the flight numbers 5,2,0,3.

Both types are in stock and are being shipped. Mostly the new type. The beadless example was found in high sixties weight.

[thediscinmusician]

Originally Posted by davei

CE and Candy came out at the same time. The first release of any kind was in 2000 at Worlds. Clear Candy TeeBirds.

So it is a CE Shark? Or was there a distinguishable difference between CE and Candy or was it the same? Or was the "candy" like our champion material today. How rare do you think that disc is Dave? Is it just like owning another Champion Shark or is it a more durable blend?

[zj1002]

Are there currently any plans to run the Discmania PD, CD, and DD in a Champion type plastic? Also can we expect a new disc under the Discmania name sometime this year? I have grown very fond of the P/S-PD and the P-CD. I was just hoping that mainly the PD might be run in a very durable plastic in the future. thanks for your time!

[thediscinmusician]

Also...I thought it was funny as I looked at those articles that the Innova website looks the same 8 years later. I've been hearing about a new website...any idea on a launch date for that?

[davei]

Originally Posted by thediscinmusician

So it is a CE Shark? Or was there a distinguishable difference between CE and Candy or was it the same? Or was the "candy" like our champion material today. How rare do you think that disc is Dave? Is it just like owning another Champion Shark or is it a more durable blend?

I don't think it would be rare by plastic type. It might be rare by date and hot stamp. That plastic has been differentiated by collectors as not CE. Collector CE was somewhat less translucent. Not opaque, but close.

[davei]

Originally Posted by zj1002

Are there currently any plans to run the Discmania PD, CD, and DD in a Champion type plastic? Also can we expect a new disc under the Discmania name sometime this year? I have grown very fond of the P/S-PD and the P-CD. I was just hoping that mainly the PD might be run in a very durable plastic in the future. thanks for your time!

Right now, any Champion type runs will be reserved for Discmania fund raising. We are open to the possibility in the future of a mainline release.

We have been testing several potential new models, but so far none has made the grade except possibly a mid range for fund raising. It will be Champion type plastic, if it happens.

[davei]

Originally Posted by thediscinmusician

Also...I thought it was funny as I looked at those articles that the Innova website looks the same 8 years later. I've been hearing about a new website...any idea on a launch date for that?

We are in the process of revamping our website. It has been in the process for well over a year. We still don't have an official launch date yet, but we are fairly close.