Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 342

davei · Oct 20 2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dehaas

Hi Dave, I'd just ordered a pro starfire and was suprised when my shipment arrived that it felt more like star plastic than pro. The plastic felt real nice, but felt nothing like any other pro starfire, or any other pro plastic for that matter. Is the blend for pro plastic being tweaked, or is this just an oddball run? I haven't had a chance to throw it much...just in the field next door to my place, and it feels more overstable than my other pro starfires also. I could be wrong, but weren't the first pro starfires from the SL mold...are the new ones still from the mold, or from the standard starfire mold? Thanks a lot.

Pro plastic has evolved several times over the years. It is more like Star than it used to be to try and give it more durability. The big draw for Pro is the grip and that it domes up more than our other plastics but doesn't get unstable when it does. I believe we are using the regular Starfire mold for Pro because the SL mold was having issues. The break in period may take a little longer.

davei · Oct 20 2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Dave, i was cleaning out some boxes and found a Pro Line (champion plastic) Beast and a Champion 2003 Barry Schultz beast that i thought i had lost, and apparently misplaced.

Upon taking them out to the field, they were stable compared to my 2X Champ Beasts and Star Beasts.

Did the mold get changed a while back, and I just didnt notice?

Thanks,

LBS

Yes, the mold was changed slightly several years ago. We felt the Orc and the Beast were too similar. We wanted the Beast to turn more.

davei · Oct 20 2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dgdave

The beast was changed a while back. Its now an L type mold. It overlapped with the Orc too much.

Sorry. I also answered this before I read this post.

20460chase · Oct 20 2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

No Zephyrs yet. Still catching up on inventory. The Whippet-X is from Roger Curley of Oak Grove Park, (now Hahamongna Watershed Park), Pasadena, California. It was done several (5+?) years ago. I don't remember the exact plastic. The little figure in the background appears to be a stylized
Oak Grove Gopher

Thank You Sir.

two5twosix9 · Oct 21 2009, 12:36 AM

John,
It seems that you are releasing with extreme anhyzer or rolling your wrist. You can start at a hyzer angle but if you roll your wrist over you will flip the disc hard because you are actually releasing anhyzer. Awrist roll is hard to depict while throwing it because everything is set up and executed like a hyzer until the last second when your wrist rolls and your follow through comes down instead of up. Pay attention to your follow through, you want to follow through on the same angle the disc is traveling. A hyzer should follow through up, anhyzer down, and flat should be a straight follow through. Go get a valkyree and learn how to throw it with a hyzer release and get it to helix with control. It appears that you are trying to throw the fast stuff too hard. Tone it down and be smooth with a valk. After a few months move to a beast, then an orc, wraith, destroyer/excal, boss. Make sure you give each mold the time needed to learn it properly and be patient. I have decent distance but it is controlled and I wouldn't have it or be able to control it if it weren't for my form. Work on learning to fly the disc by puting it in flight instead of forcing it. Start slow, good luck!

gokayaksteven · Oct 21 2009, 02:27 PM

Hi Dave-
did the lighter pro bosses turn out any more or less stable than the heavy ones?

atreau3 · Oct 21 2009, 03:08 PM

wow! Japan open sight is down, too many people trying to buy Katanas?

Tip, I just bought 4 pro, 4 champ...

Disc golf values has a limitied amount available!

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...ewCat&catId=19

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veganray · Oct 21 2009, 03:25 PM

I just called John Ahart to get my order in as the site crashed. End-arounds rule!

atreau3 · Oct 21 2009, 03:26 PM

Sure do!

davei · Oct 21 2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Hi Dave-
did the lighter pro bosses turn out any more or less stable than the heavy ones?

I didn't throw the very heavy ones, but my impression was that the heavier were a bit more stable than the lighter. This is generally was happens. The exception might be for Starlight when we use a variation of Star to get lighter weights.

dgdave · Oct 21 2009, 03:41 PM

I get to DGV early enough to grab the Champs. I want some x-outs though. oh well.

pdorries · Oct 21 2009, 03:51 PM

pretty lame that the hero site was down and when i actually got logged in to it, they were all sold out. come on here to the forum and see that disc golf values had some, and now they are out of the champion ones as well.

50 minutes after "release" and I can't even order some champion katana.. that really sucks.

davei · Oct 21 2009, 04:22 PM

I have been told that nothing has been sold yet. They are having server issues and are presently working on it. There was no time frame given for expected resolution.

dgdave · Oct 21 2009, 04:31 PM

DGV only had 30

rizbee · Oct 21 2009, 06:45 PM

Hi Dave,

What are the expected range of weights for the Katana? Any chance that they will make it down into the 150's in any plastic?

Thanks,

Rizbee

davei · Oct 21 2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rizbee

Hi Dave,

What are the expected range of weights for the Katana? Any chance that they will make it down into the 150's in any plastic?

Thanks,

Rizbee

The R-Pro are in the 150's. They're sort of squirelly if you can throw over 350, but if you throw in the 250-350, you are fine.

davei · Oct 21 2009, 06:58 PM

I got word that herodisc will be back on line tomorrow at noon.

rizbee · Oct 21 2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

The R-Pro are in the 150's. They're sort of squirelly if you can throw over 350, but if you throw in the 250-350, you are fine.

I'm more at the top end of that range, so it's definitely worth trying out. Had you considered the name "Flying Squirrel" or "Rocky"?

gokayaksteven · Oct 21 2009, 07:47 PM

hey Dave- any timeline on champ gator-x's?
thanks

davei · Oct 22 2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

hey Dave- any timeline on champ gator-x's?
thanks

No, not on Champion. I believe we did run some Star Gator Xs for the regular line up.

Breeze · Oct 22 2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

No, not on Champion. I believe we did run some Star Gator Xs for the regular line up.

Define Gator-X..

Current star mold with no bead or older champ mod with a bead? Star plastic in the current CFR mold? That would be great!

-Chris

davei · Oct 22 2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Breeze

Define Gator-X..

Current star mold with no bead or older champ mod with a bead? Star plastic in the current CFR mold? That would be great!

-Chris

Beaded Gator X. The bead doesn't make it X.

dehaas · Oct 22 2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Pro plastic has evolved several times over the years. It is more like Star than it used to be to try and give it more durability. The big draw for Pro is the grip and that it domes up more than our other plastics but doesn't get unstable when it does. I believe we are using the regular Starfire mold for Pro because the SL mold was having issues. The break in period may take a little longer.

thanks a lot...I definitely think pro is my favorite plastic, seems to have the right mix of grip, glide, and durability for my tastes.

pdorries · Oct 22 2009, 02:27 PM

this whole site being down thing is confusing me. just trying to check out this new disc!

discette · Oct 22 2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pdorries

well, I was online at 12 yesterday when the katana was supposed to go on sale. apparently it went down because I tried for a few hours while the site was still up yesterday. kept getting to the add to cart screen then timing out.

saw that they would be online again today, went for a quick lunch around 12 cst back to the office and hop on the hero website and they are sold out.... so frustrating because ive been online for the past 2 days refreshing and waiting to try and get a couple of these for me and my buddies (to throw.. not to resell on ebay).

even when the bosses came out for the first release online, I easy got some of those ordered... no problem.. I don't see why it was so limited, I was even ready to pay the overpriced $25 fundraiser price too...

is it the end of the world, no... but it is frustrating.

The Katanas are not sold out. They will be going on sale at 12:00 noon PDT today (10-22-09). HerodiscUSA had to get a new host to handle the high volume of traffic on their website.

pdorries · Oct 22 2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discette

The Katanas are not sold out. They will be going on sale at 12:00 noon PDT today (10-22-09). HerodiscUSA had to get a new host to handle the high volume of traffic on their website.

will be cool if that is the case, i am excited to hear it!

I was thinking I missed it again, same as yesterday.

davei · Oct 22 2009, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdorries

will be cool if that is the case, i am excited to hear it!

I was thinking I missed it again, same as yesterday.

The site is up and selling now.

Shags17 · Oct 22 2009, 04:24 PM

Hey Dave, sorry if this has been asked before. I tried searching and didn't come up with an answer. A guy on our local clubs forums was saying he picked up a Feldberg stamped Champ Boss and was wondering if it was a new stamp. We all told him it wasn't new, but we all wondered whether the Champ Bosses have ever been stamped without Feldberg's signature. Just a curiousity. Thanks Dave!

notahobogolfer · Oct 22 2009, 05:32 PM

Dave,
How does the start Mako comapre to other midranges like the roc, coyote, and shark? I read the reviews on the Innova site, but was interested to here what your opinion on it was.

Thanks!

thediscinmusician · Oct 22 2009, 06:49 PM

When they first came out they had a the big Innova Star stamp on them. Those were a limited run, but right after that they came out with the DF stamp. I think some of them are more domey than others. Hope that helps! At least that's what I know of them!

Oct 21 2009, 12:36 AM	#10235
two5twosix9 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 135	John, It seems that you are releasing with extreme anhyzer or rolling your wrist. You can start at a hyzer angle but if you roll your wrist over you will flip the disc hard because you are actually releasing anhyzer. Awrist roll is hard to depict while throwing it because everything is set up and executed like a hyzer until the last second when your wrist rolls and your follow through comes down instead of up. Pay attention to your follow through, you want to follow through on the same angle the disc is traveling. A hyzer should follow through up, anhyzer down, and flat should be a straight follow through. Go get a valkyree and learn how to throw it with a hyzer release and get it to helix with control. It appears that you are trying to throw the fast stuff too hard. Tone it down and be smooth with a valk. After a few months move to a beast, then an orc, wraith, destroyer/excal, boss. Make sure you give each mold the time needed to learn it properly and be patient. I have decent distance but it is controlled and I wouldn't have it or be able to control it if it weren't for my form. Work on learning to fly the disc by puting it in flight instead of forcing it. Start slow, good luck! Last edited by two5twosix9; Oct 21 2009 at 03:36 AM.

Oct 21 2009, 03:08 PM	#10237
atreau3 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,069	wow! Japan open sight is down, too many people trying to buy Katanas? Tip, I just bought 4 pro, 4 champ... Disc golf values has a limitied amount available! https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...ewCat&catId=19 E __________________ Bucks County Disc Golf Alliance NJ Disc Devils http://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Atreau3 www.bcdga.com www.discdevils.com

Oct 21 2009, 03:26 PM	#10239
atreau3 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,069	Sure do! __________________ Bucks County Disc Golf Alliance NJ Disc Devils http://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Atreau3 www.bcdga.com www.discdevils.com

Oct 21 2009, 03:51 PM	#10242
pdorries PDGA Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,051	pretty lame that the hero site was down and when i actually got logged in to it, they were all sold out. come on here to the forum and see that disc golf values had some, and now they are out of the champion ones as well. 50 minutes after "release" and I can't even order some champion katana.. that really sucks. __________________ ...TEAM INNOVA...

Oct 21 2009, 04:22 PM	#10243
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	I have been told that nothing has been sold yet. They are having server issues and are presently working on it. There was no time frame given for expected resolution. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 21 2009, 02:27 PM	#10236
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Hi Dave- did the lighter pro bosses turn out any more or less stable than the heavy ones?

Oct 21 2009, 03:25 PM	#10238
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	I just called John Ahart to get my order in as the site crashed. End-arounds rule!

Oct 21 2009, 03:41 PM	#10241
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	I get to DGV early enough to grab the Champs. I want some x-outs though. oh well.

Oct 21 2009, 04:31 PM	#10244
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	DGV only had 30

Oct 21 2009, 06:45 PM	#10245
rizbee PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 2,402	Hi Dave, What are the expected range of weights for the Katana? Any chance that they will make it down into the 150's in any plastic? Thanks, Rizbee __________________ "Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic disc golfer. Rizbee will be that golfer. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, birdie-er." - Oscar Goldman

Oct 21 2009, 06:58 PM	#10247
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	I got word that herodisc will be back on line tomorrow at noon. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 21 2009, 07:47 PM	#10249
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	hey Dave- any timeline on champ gator-x's? thanks

Oct 22 2009, 02:27 PM	#10254
pdorries PDGA Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,051	unbelievable - katana this whole site being down thing is confusing me. just trying to check out this new disc! __________________ ...TEAM INNOVA... Last edited by pdorries; Oct 22 2009 at 02:52 PM.

Oct 22 2009, 04:24 PM	#10258
Shags17 PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Missoula, MT Posts: 36	Hey Dave, sorry if this has been asked before. I tried searching and didn't come up with an answer. A guy on our local clubs forums was saying he picked up a Feldberg stamped Champ Boss and was wondering if it was a new stamp. We all told him it wasn't new, but we all wondered whether the Champ Bosses have ever been stamped without Feldberg's signature. Just a curiousity. Thanks Dave!

Oct 22 2009, 05:32 PM	#10259
notahobogolfer PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: p-money Posts: 65	Start Mako Dave, How does the start Mako comapre to other midranges like the roc, coyote, and shark? I read the reviews on the Innova site, but was interested to here what your opinion on it was. Thanks!

Oct 22 2009, 06:49 PM	#10260
thediscinmusician PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Athens, AL Posts: 190	shags17 Boss Question When they first came out they had a the big Innova Star stamp on them. Those were a limited run, but right after that they came out with the DF stamp. I think some of them are more domey than others. Hope that helps! At least that's what I know of them!

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