Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

erick, I can't help you on the CE comparisons, but maybe others on this thread can. As far as the Ontario vs Rancho comparison goes: The Rancho is generally a little more stable and finishes more overstable. The Ontario is a straight flier with less low speed overstability.

[gokayaksteven]

hey dave--how's the progress on se-type plastic? will we maybe see a se roc and tl in the near future? thanks again

[davei]

Steven, progress is real good. Should be seeing something within a month or two.

Dave, will these disc carry the current champion type plastic price tag or will they cost as much as the fundraiser type discs?

[jaymo]

Hey im looking for a champ (innova) disc thats behaves like a NEW KC roc (180g). So should i go for the shark or the spider?? which behaves more like a roc? thanks

[davei]

Disc Nerd, I believe the first two offerings will retail for $15 and they will be part of the fundraising effort. That's about an average $10 less than candy though.

[mf100forever]

Dave, what about the San Marino Roc compared to the other two?

Question number two, a tough one; what about the standard plastic in your discs, since a couple years you called it dx, how did it developed since the first eagle in 82/83 ?

Do you make all your discs in Rancho, what happens in South Carolina?

Greetings from Sweden

[davei]

Hi Kjell, the San Marino was more like the Rancho than the Ontario. The dx hasn't changed much since the beginning. The indivual ingredients have changed around as the supply changed, but basically is about the same. We are happy about it now, but would like to make it a little tougher if we could. All discs are made here. Innova East hotstamps or other decoration, and is the main distributor.

Hey im looking for a champ (innova) disc thats behaves like a NEW KC roc (180g). So should i go for the shark or the spider?? which behaves more like a roc? thanks

Neither a CE Shark or a CE Spider behaves like a KC Roc. The Shark is more overstable and the spider is more like a slightly overstable driver in a midrange disc (esp. the size and feel) I throw KC Rocs also and nothing is better. Stick w/ them. If you need a good winter disc for the color, go with a nice flat DX Roc. I've found the orange seems to be the most like a KC, most overstable colored DX. Or wait till the 2004 USDGC CE Rocs come out, I heard they will be out soon.

[jaymo]

thanks very much

[xterramatt]

Post 1000!

Just wanted to be the one.

[circle_2]

Dave, did Ching have to tweak the plastic used in their Color-Max discs? I'm guessing they had to do something different to get their hotstamps to 'take'...an extra coating perhaps? Their white Rocs seem more durable & more slick (texture-wise) than an Innova DX Roc...?

[circle_2]

Dave, are glow discs due to a phosphorescent additive or coating?
Also, a 1st run "blueberry" Valk is on e-bay going for nearly $100...my 1st run Valk is significantly darker...more of a teal...is this 'blueberry' as well?

[Plankeye]

Dave, I got a CE JLS today. Will this fly just like a QJLS or what? I am going to assume it is just the JLS mold made with CE plastic.

[circle_2]

"Dave's not here!"
The CE JLS's came out before the Q-JLS's...if it's unthrown, it's rare.

[dannyreeves]

different plastic. the new Q plastic is like proline. it is more overstable.

I have a CE JLS and to me it throws like z-xl or a 9x teebird (a nice straight disc that is easy to control).

[Plankeye]

yeah...mine is unthrown and it is tye-dyed

suprfreak, there was no tweaking done to the mold, however the plastic was tweaked slightly. I was unaware that the perception was that they were a little more stable. There is always variation in candy. Less so with DX. The additional stability might be explained by normal variation or the guys running them might be doing it better. Thanks for the info.

Just wanted to say that I really like the improvements in the feel of the plastic in my new Barry Schultz Beast vs the earlier Champion Beasts. Keep up the good work!

[xterramatt]

Plankeye, I am pretty sure that Gary C is looking for a CE JLS. you may want to see if he's interested in it. He's from the High Point area.

He lost 2 in a weekend last year and was mortally bummed.

Matt

Jesus Christmichael!

Dave - is there a timeline on when a new run of JK Aviar X's will come out ? You had said a while back that you were trying to get them soft again like the 3x ones. I am running out of putters! Only one 3x max weight left, and its being saved until it is absolutely needed (also my favorite disc). Those 4x ones just don't cut it, they are nowhere near as soft when new or after being broken in.

[10/01/03]

AJ, they have been made, but are just sitting, behind the stiffer ones that aren't selling very well. I agree with you completely, and I will see what I can do to get the in the system as soon as possible. Thanks

Dave, someone I know ordered JK's from Innova last Monday, received them Friday, and all 20 are the stiffer version. Were many of the softer second run 4x JK's produced, and do you know if there are still a lot of the stiffer ones ahead of them in the warehouse?

[Plankeye]

Rob I can tell you that the plastic isn't as soft as the 3x. My friend has an old version of the 4x and it is stiff. Around here there are the updated versions of the 4x and they are not as stiff as the 3x(but still a little rigid).

[davei]

rob, do you know if they ordered from the East or West office? The West has been shipping the softer version for at least a month now. I don't know about the East. They still may be shipping the stiffer version. The new run won't happen for a month or so. I have been playing with the softer version of the 4s for quite a while now and am extremely satified with the grip, flight, and durablility. The stiffer version is at least as stiff as a regular putter, and the softer version is a litter stiffer than an Omega SS, but softer than a regular putter.

Dave, the order was from Innova East. I had the impression that Innova West only made them and then sent them to East to get hot-stamped and distributed. Do some get hot-stamped on the east coast and then sent to Innova West for distribution ... or ... ? I wonder how many of the stiffer ones the East warehouse still has before it will be sending out the softer 4x JK's?

I guess the 5x's JK Aviars will definitely be the sweet soft stuff? I just got the 5x JK Valkyrie from that same vendor (Fred Salaz, Disc-n-tucky) -- pretty cool.

Do you think you will ever go back to making the MTA weight Classic Roc? I would love to get a couple of those, since -- although they are hard to throw -- you think they might be able to break the current MTA record. My best is only a 12.79 (MTA Condor) but I just started last year and I could spend hours MTAing (if the weather would only warm up) Also, are there any plans to make more of the MTA Rocs? Thanks for all your INNOVAtion and the time you take to answer questions.

[davei]

Hi Rob, you need to call Innova East for the JK answer. We keep discs here for distribution too on the west coast. They are hot stamped on both coasts. All subsequent JK runs will be softer grippy durable stable runs. We could have made MTA classics Rocs just now, but we didn't . Not really a market as they are difficult to throw but they absolutely could break the record again. The regular Roc is still made in MTA weights. It is good, easier to throw for good times, but doesn't have the potential of the Classic, I think.

[rickb]

Rob the Innova East only has the harder 4x's at the momment. I check when I go down there on a weekly basis. They have cases of these left and will probally not get any more any time soon until these start to sell down.

Rob the Innova East only has the harder 4x's at the momment. I check when I go down there on a weekly basis. They have cases of these left and will probally not get any more any time soon until these start to sell down.

thanks for the update. how many discs are in a case -- 100? that may mean Innova East will be selling 5x's once the stiffer 4x's are gone. Also, is the stiffer plastic that was accidentally used DX plastic?

[davei]

rob, I don't think it was dx, just poorly followed instructions, or some other mix up in ingredients.

[tdwriter]

Dave, so if someone, me for example, wanted to order some of the softer JK's, who would you recommend? I like the 4X, they're not as stiff as some of my older Aviars, but I never threw the 3x. I've felt them and love them, but cannot pay the e-bay price they normally go for. I'd love to get some softer ones. thanks, russ .c