Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

Robj, in addition to a handful of gummy Beasts, Valks, and Rhynos, I have two Champion Vikings (156g, 159g), a Champion Firebird (167g), a Proline Spider (166g), and a Proline Leopard (157g) in gummy bear plastic. I have also seen, but did not end up buying, a Proline Monster in gummy bear plastic. (Champion Edition (CE) Valks and Leopards were also available in gummy bear plastic, mostly 150-class to the mid 160s.) My guess is that gummy Firebirds and Monsters are relatively uncommon, since I've never seen any others.

I have come across the odd gummy disc in the 169-172g range, but the vast majority have been167g or less.

dave, whats next as far as new discs go? are there any ideas for any new ones?

what the heck is gummy bear plastic?

Just melt a bag of gummi bears in a stock pot.. there you go, gummi plastic.

what the heck is gummy bear plastic?

Innova's high-end plastic is commonly referred to as "candy." It comes in several varieties, including straight candy, taffy, gummy bear. Gummy bear plastic is translucent, rubbery, and very grippy. It's generally found in 150-class and lighter weight discs

On difference between the varieties of candy is the amount of weighting agent added to the mix. Gummy bear has the least, straight candy the most. (There are probably other differences in the various candy recipes as well.)

[davei]

Ryan, always have ideas for new discs, but need to come out with them at the right time. Next disc could be in a couple of months, but I can't say more than that.

[tbender]

Dave,
Any plans for FLs again?

I have come across the odd gummy disc in the 169-172g range, but the vast majority have been167g or less.

thanks for the info felix. a gummy viking sounds great. i only have found candy beasts in the gummy plastic, but i don't own many discs under 170 grams. i have one 169 gram gummy beast and a few 166 and 167's. I love the grippiness, and in cold weather the other day my cold fingers found the gummy plastic especially sweet. it was much tougher to grip the hard candy.

[davei]

Tony, I hope so, that one is in my bag. It has not been discussed for resurrection as yet.

dave,
this may have been covered, but i couldn't find it so here goes... Are there any plans to modify the roc more specifically take the bead off ??? i have to say i love the what discraft got out of the buzzz...also how many of the special "special" winnie rocs with be illuminating the fairways?

[davei]

rasboomer, neither has been covered. If you take the bead off a Roc, it is essentially a Shark. I don't know if that answers your question, but it's the best I can do for now. As for the Special Winnie glow Rocs: don't know a thing about them.

[Fossil]

Dave
This thread lacks one important thing...

A hardy THANK YOU for answering so many questions, sometimes repeatedly.

So from me, and hopefully hundreds / thousands of others....

THANK YOU for your time.

[davei]

fossil, thank you. You're very kind to say that.

THANK YOU DAVE!!!!!!

more thanks dave, now howabout some candy san marino rocs?

Mos def, candy san marino rocs. Brilliant!!!

[Big Easy]

Candy San Marino Rocs, huummm
I think that would be close to the
Old Brick Hard (almost CE or Champion )Hammers
that were run last 5 or 10 years ago
or at least that's the last time I saw a new one.
D.P.

A candy Hammer ... now THERE'S a great idea!!!

[Blarg]

I think I've seen a disc called a 'Harpie' someplace.
Not Innova. Maybe Gateway???

Maybe not.

[spartan]

agreed. Candy 2nd run Hammer.

[Lyle O Ross]

Question for Dave and or others.

Even on windy days I like to use the same style of discs I would use on a calm day. This means that on a 200 to 250 foot hole I still like to use a midrange. The problem is that there are few midranges that fly straight into a headwind. The G5i from Gateway certainly does (almost too much so). I have heard that the Gremlin also flies well into a strong headwind and was wondering if this is true?

Also, I use a Gator on light wind days since it is more stable than most.

Given this, is it likely that there will be a Candy/CE run of Gators sometime in the next millennium? If the Gremlin is very over-stable, is it likely there will be a Candy/CE run of the Gremlin?

[eddie_ogburn]

CE Roc, candy shark and z-wasps work well in a headwind situation.

Lyle, the gremlins i've tryed have been candy with the exception of a 150g dx(super flippy) and they do hold nicely into a headwind. You may have trouble finding them as the "pro" gremlin was a trial run, but i think there were plans to make them again as champion gremlins. Dave has said that the candy gator will be attempted in the future.

[circle_2]

A new DX Gator is Innova's most overstable midrange. An MRX is likely Discraft's candidate. Only the Gateway G5i Demon, already mentioned, is more overstable.
BTW, I believe the Gateway Scout is a notch below the Demon, overstability-wise...and maybe worth a look.
YMMV

I dont know for sure what class the Ram is in but i always used it as a midrange. it is definately the most overstable innova mold.

[circle_2]

A Ram is most certainly more overstable than a Gator...no doubt!

[circle_2]

Let's ask Dave, since this is his ??? thread...

Dave, what's your most overstable mold to date...and in what plastic?

[davei]

Well, I don't exactly know, but the Whippet is now pretty overstable. Rhetty says the Candy Vipers are more overstable. The latest Rams are pretty overstable in DX. I don't personally have a need for discs that are that overstable so I only test them initially. Some of you are probably more familiar. I prefer a Firebird to all of those, but it is not as overstable. Sorry I couldn't help more.

[rhett]

I'm about ready to dump the CFR Viper out of my bag and pack in a DX Ram again because that Viper is so overstable is proving to be fairly un-usable.

Hey Rhett, are those CFR Vipers more overstable than the new Champion plastic Whippets?