Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[mf100forever]

We are having the mold that runs the Zephyr and Condor fixed and will be able to run both fairly soon. The Zephyr is first. Hopefully, we will be able to make them in DX and Star or Champion.

Star and Champion Zephyr , can I preorder the whole production

[pdiddy71]

dave, i found a first run puma the other day at the local disc golf store. is it a mid range or a fairway driver? thanks!

[Paavo]

dave, i found a first run puma the other day at the local disc golf store. is it a mid range or a fairway driver? thanks!

I'm no Dave, but I bet it was a long range driver as it first came out in '99 but nowadays it's considered a midrange. Kind of like a more understable Classic Roc with a thumb track or a small diameter Wolf. Dave can correct me if I'm wrong.

[davei]

Dave,

Have you ever run Star plastic Vipers? If not, will you ever? If they have been made, does anyone know where they would be available?

No. We probably wont, but we did run Champion. It's possible we will do that again.

Thanks

[davei]

dave, i found a first run puma the other day at the local disc golf store. is it a mid range or a fairway driver? thanks!

The Puma is a mid range disc.

[davei]

I'm no Dave, but I bet it was a long range driver as it first came out in '99 but nowadays it's considered a midrange. Kind of like a more understable Classic Roc with a thumb track or a small diameter Wolf. Dave can correct me if I'm wrong.

You might be thinking of the Pegasus. The Puma probably was a fairway driver when it came out.

[mikeP]

A tweeked Teebird would ROCK!!! Kinda like a seasoned Firebird with a ton of glide

Have you ever thrown an 11x Champion Teebird? They are as you describe.

[dgdave]

Yup, but those are getting harder to find and I'd like those in some nice red star plastic

[vadiscgolf]

Hi, why is it that when almost anything Innova makes that is desirable have to be CFR? I can see Champion Rocs and a few others but now a more stable disc a CFR and more expensive to the player. Why not charge more for all discs and make most now CFR discs available to the retailers. There has to be other ways of fundraising without making all these limited edition discs. Thanks

[davei]

Hi, why is it that when almost anything Innova makes that is desirable have to be CFR? I can see Champion Rocs and a few others but now a more stable disc a CFR and more expensive to the player. Why not charge more for all discs and make most now CFR discs available to the retailers. There has to be other ways of fundraising without making all these limited edition discs. Thanks

CFR is necessary to support the Tournament Directors who have a difficult time doing the often thankless job of running a tournament and raising money. The usual discs for the tournaments are not more expensive, they carry the same MSRP as a Champion disc, even if they are a Star disc. Only the INNColor discs cost more to the player. Plus, many times the discs available to the events are special runs that we don't produce widely, but are sought after by tournament players as opposed to recreational players. Often times two different markets.

[Boneman]

Hey Dave, Do you know if the Sonic is going to be approved for Super Class? Apparently the Fastback is ... so wouldn't the Sonic be too?
Please run some MAX weight RED Sonics ... I can't find one anywhere and broke mine at my last tourney.

[cgkdisc]

No Sonic in Super. But it's still cool for regular golf in heavier weights.

[gokayaksteven]

is it too small?

[cgkdisc]

Yes. If you look at the list I posted today on the Super Class thread under the Ratings topic area, every PDGA Approved disc of 23.7 cm diameter and larger is listed with the exception of the Jaguar, Condor and Lynx which either have too "sharp" of a rim and/or are too low profile for Super Class.

[davei]

We will only have two models available for SC. Regular stock Pulsars at 180g and Zephyrs at 180g-200g. The Zephyr mold is currently undergoing reconditioning. It has been out of commission for a while. Should be ready within a couple of weeks.

[gokayaksteven]

hey Dave--how light did the star monarchs go?

[dwmichaels]

Any idea when some lighter weight Boss discs might be coming out? Can they be made lighter? Will they still be in champ/star?

[davei]

hey Dave--how light did the star monarchs go?

They went down to about 158g. Occasionally they went lower, but much less frequently.

[davei]

Any idea when some lighter weight Boss discs might be coming out? Can they be made lighter? Will they still be in champ/star?

We probably won't have lighter weight Bosses until next year. Right now, they can only be made in DX, but we are also working on a lighter Pro and Champion/Star. The longest shot right now is getting Champion and Star lighter.

[gokayaksteven]

bring on the 150 dx!!!!!

[zbiberst]

have you considered making monarchs in dx realy low like 130class? what a great kid disc that would be.

[tokyo]

Are you remaking the Champion Panthers??

[ChrisEads]

I know this has been asked a few times now but I just was wondering if you had an updated date as to when the first run star bosses where going to be released?

[Fossil]

Due to popular demand, the Champion Panther is back. The Champion Panther is one of the most under-appreciated Mid-Range discs that we offer. The Champion Panther is perfect for hyzer-flip straight shots. Also an exceptional disc for those learning to play disc golf.
Weight range : 165 to 175 grams
Ratings 5, 3, -2, 1

[mikeP]

Due to popular demand, the Champion Panther is back. The Champion Panther is one of the most under-appreciated Mid-Range discs that we offer. The Champion Panther is perfect for hyzer-flip straight shots. Also an exceptional disc for those learning to play disc golf.
Weight range : 165 to 175 grams
Ratings 5, 3, -2, 1

I love marketing. Today I went to McDonald's (yeah, I'm admitting it) and a sign at the drive thru said "Zero trans fat in suggested serving" talking about the chicken nuggets. How can it have ZERO if you eat the recommended serving, but not if you eat more? 0+0=more than Zero?

...and now we have "one of the most under-appreciated" discs "back by popular demand"...I guess being under-appreciated is popular these days.

[cgkdisc]

Today I went to McDonald's (yeah, I'm admitting it) and a sign at the drive thru said "Zero trans fat in suggested serving" talking about the chicken nuggets. How can it have ZERO if you eat the recommended serving, but not if you eat more? 0+0=more than Zero?

The "suggested serving" likely either didn't include any dipping sauce or only certain ones. It's sort of like how a baked potato is good for you as long as you don't put anything on it that makes it edible such as butter, sour cream, cheese and/or bacon bits.

[davei]

I know this has been asked a few times now but I just was wondering if you had an updated date as to when the first run star bosses where going to be released?

We have not scheduled them yet. Not before February at this point. Possibly later, unless we do a special run.

[veganray]

Today I went to McDonald's (yeah, I'm admitting it) and a sign at the drive thru said "Zero trans fat in suggested serving" talking about the chicken nuggets. How can it have ZERO if you eat the recommended serving, but not if you eat more? 0+0=more than Zero?

The USDA allows for a food's marketers to trumpet a "fat free" claim if the food has less than 0.5 grams of fat per reference amount (aka "suggested serving"). So, using government math, 0+0 does equal more than 0, as those <0.5's can add up to a lot if multiple "suggested servings" are ingested.

Ironically, this means that one could advertise Crisco as a "fat free" food if the serving size were wee enough, though Crisco is 100% fat.

[davei]

If you mean nomenclature designating significant changes to the flight characteristics of existing models, maybe. No changes are scheduled to be made to the molds that produce the models. Only some models would benefit significantly by being more overstable. I would like to see a slightly more stable Starfire, Orc, TeeBird or Eagle. Definitely would like to see a more consistently overstable TeeRex. A really stable version of a Wraith, Destroyer, and Boss would be nice. I'm not sure this stabilizing process would even work with discs that are already overstable like Whippet Xs.

We are doing our first tests of the stabilizing process on Destroyers, which will be available in very limited quantities Friday at discgolfvalues. There will be something around 200-300 at max weight in night shift blue. All proceeds will go to a local non-profit. I would appreciate any feedback from those who purchase these discs. Our initial tests were excellent. Thanks.

[zaschenbach1]

but will they be legal?