Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

You may quote from that letter if you wish, as long as there is nothing said about any specific people. Only the issue. However, it is apparent that I didn't make myself clear, or even possibly misstated my position slightly. I am not opposed to discs flying farther. That was not the point, and if I said that, I was in error. I am opposed to unrestricted wide rims, and undefined equipment for a sports contest. There was no definition at the time that prevented an otherwise solid discus with one thumb hole. Additionally, I was of the opinion that the wide rimmed discs further separate the haves from the have nots in terms of big hands with big power to generate, and sustain, initial velocity. And, this opinion was mostly aimed at over head shots, that are strictly done with velocity, and not with glide. I am all for big glide. No problem.

I was surprised by the popularity of the latest additions to our line. I did not think a large percentage of players would be able to throw the Destroyer, XCaliber, and Boss. Apparently, the PDGA picked a better limit than I did. I wanted a smaller limit. However, a limit was necessary.

[Luckymutha]

For some reason the wing width of the Boss is very comfortable for my grip. It allows me to fully grip the wing rather than feel like I need to stack my fingers to make up for the difference. I thought it would take some getting used to like the Destroyer, but it actually feels more comfortable to me than the Destroyer.

BTW - I do not have big hands.

[stack]

BTW - I do not have big hands.

i think they make pills for that!

what DD says sounds like a veiled attempt to limit the power of the thumber to me... "help help... i'm being repressed" The thumber cannot be stopped!

BTW i have big hands... power... and throw overhead shots (and my game still sucks!) <-- wish they made a pill for that

[mikeP]

i think they make pills for that!

what DD says sounds like a veiled attempt to limit the power of the thumber to me... "help help... i'm being repressed" The thumber cannot be stopped!

BTW i have big hands... power... and throw overhead shots (and my game still sucks!) <-- wish they made a pill for that

I believe that Dave D. is referenceing Aerobie's Epic and the barrel roll thumber to flat flight trick shot. When I started playing and had no skills to speak of I had a strong thumber and ripped that Epic 450.

[Luckymutha]

i think they make pills for that!

Don't believe the stereotypes ladies!. . . Gentlemen. . . and discspeed.

[AviarX]

what DD says sounds like a veiled attempt to limit the power of the thumber to me... "help help... i'm being repressed" The thumber cannot be stopped!

actually if i remember correctly , Dave's concerns about discs like the Epic were that it would open the door to discs potentially evolving into being more projectiles than the kind of throwing our sport involves today. if you look at some of the reasons behind Dave creating & manufacturing the triangular rim 25 years ago it was because big guys with big arms like him were getting a distinct advantage over most players due to the ability to throw very heavy discs well and far (especially in wind) -- the beveled edge does the same trick without disproportionately giving big guys a huge advantage.
Dave was World Distance champion with an old school lid for a while btw

Dave please correct any mis-statements i may have made

[gokayaksteven]

takes more skill to make a disc glide than be thrown like a projectile. while i love to throw my destroyers, the pdga should have limited rim width long ago, say around the valk/firebird or at least the beast. would have made the game more challenging, i think. players would need to rely more on technique than power. it takes skill to throw a roc 300 ft., but most any am with a decent arm can throw the boss 300 ft., even with a bad throw.

[junky]

I agree it takes skill to make a Roc go 300ft. I don't throw Rocs because my fingers just don't fit the disc like other peoples fingers do. I fan grip midranges like a putter, and usually use 2 fingers for drivers. I've been trying to change that to "power grips". No luck yet.

[reallybadputter]

But like in ball golf... if you throw twice as far, then the same difference in accuracy (angle) equates to twice the distance from the center of the fairway...

Plus it takes a more accurate release to even keep the same angular errors...

The good news for me in ball golf is that if I could drive 300 yards regularly, I'd make it out of the rough and instead land on the next fairway over...

Remember what Uncle Ben said... "With great power comes great responsibility."

[AviarX]

we share public parks with the public so longer more errant throws potentially spell trouble weight and rim width limits are a good thing. and assymetrical rims should be illegal too because they open the door to pandora's proverbial box..

[bob]

But that's also how Hope was released.

[AviarX]

okay good Hope got out. let's put everything else back

[pdorries]

im sure this question has been asked before, but I can't seem to locate it.

What discs have been made with Echostar plastic? (the dark green stuff, not the new multicolored stuff)

I own Excalibers, Rocs, and most recently a Leopard....

also... I have a first run xcaliber that has *DS written on the bottom, I compared it to destroyer mold, and it def isn't a destroyer, do they make actual echo destryoers, or teebirds, or firebirds?

if anyone knows of other molds that have been made with the darker green echo plastic and know where i can purchase them, let me know!

[dgdave]

Kite

[davei]

im sure this question has been asked before, but I can't seem to locate it.

What discs have been made with Echostar plastic? (the dark green stuff, not the new multicolored stuff)

I own Excalibers, Rocs, and most recently a Leopard....

also... I have a first run xcaliber that has *DS written on the bottom, I compared it to destroyer mold, and it def isn't a destroyer, do they make actual echo destryoers, or teebirds, or firebirds?

if anyone knows of other molds that have been made with the darker green echo plastic and know where i can purchase them, let me know!

Aviars, Destroyer, Wraith, XCaliber, Stingray, Kite, Leopard, Aero, Roc and maybe a couple others.

[RhynoBoy]

Dave,
This question isn't really about discs. I was just wondering how far the Ontario and Rancho Cucamonga factories were from each other. I was looking at a map of greater L.A. and noticed these towns were butted up to one another.

Thanks,
Chris Tyler

[davei]

Dave,
This question isn't really about discs. I was just wondering how far the Ontario and Rancho Cucamonga factories were from each other. I was looking at a map of greater L.A. and noticed these towns were butted up to one another.

Thanks,
Chris Tyler

I think we have the same zip codes. Our present Rancho address is about 3 to 4 miles north and 2 to 3 miles east of the old Ontario address.

[krazyeye]

But that's also how Hope was released.

Hope was not released hope was all that was left.

[vadiscgolf]

Hi dave, any plans to run champion glo teebirds and firebirds agian? I am aware of the glo tl and fl but there just not the same. Thanks

[RhynoBoy]

Sunking has Teebirds, used to have FX's but I guess they are out.

Dave,
Just wanted to say thanks for answering my question and all the others you get. This Ask Dave D thread is a very good resource for those wishing to learn about Disc Golf, and discs all around. By the way, the Boss is crazy fast. I love it.

Chris Tyler

[joegraham]

I just threw the Boss yesterday and love them. I have two 172g and threw them into a light breeze and then downwind , then at Golden Gate course. It is crazy fast, but not overstable. they turn over slightly even downwind, but hyzer back to almost come badk to the line I sent them on. I reached holes I haven't before on GG so it will be useful in my bag. Haven't rolled them yet but they have great promise for this. Will probably hold an angle on the ground for a long way. Has anyone rolled them yet? Do they flip over? Can't wait for Star and Pro plastic. Maybe more overstable so I can throw lighter ones 165-168?

[rizbee]

Hey Joe - You should see junior throw the Boss. We played a round at Montiel yesterday then grabbed lunch to take to a new park in town. We were sitting at a high point in the park overlooking a baseball field due west of us, probably 30ft in elevation higher than the field. Junior grabbed a few discs to see if he could clear the field (I tried with a few and couldn't). Oh yeah, there was a steady 5-10mph headwind. He threw a TeeRex to test the wind - it ballooned a bit (bad release angle) and hit just short of the fence. Boss #1 was released flat with a little nose down, turned a bit then faded hard at the end, bouncing off a restroom past the baseball field, 480ft away. Boss #2 was released with a little anhyzer and nose down, glided and glided. While it was in the air we were oohing and ahhing, then junior started yelling NO! NO! NO! STOP!!! It was heading for the tot lot, 600 ft away. The disc finally faded, landing about 10 feet away from a park bench where an oblivious mom was watching her kids on the jungle gym. Boss #2 went about 580 ft, albeit downhill, but into a steady 10mph breeze.

Yeah, it can go far.

[davei]

Hi dave, any plans to run champion glo teebirds and firebirds agian? I am aware of the glo tl and fl but there just not the same. Thanks

We have no immediate plans, but I believe we will run some from time to time.

[accidentalROLLER]

When are you running Star Monarchs?

[davei]

When are you running Star Monarchs?

We haven't scheduled any time to run Star Monarchs as yet.

[accidentalROLLER]

We haven't scheduled any time to run Star Monarchs as yet.

With all politeness intended, DO IT! NOW!

[Furthur]

With all politeness intended, DO IT! NOW!

Those probably won't be a general release disc yet though.

[maikyle]

Dave,
Just got a Brown CE Teebird, I think the writing on the bottom says 180g, is this right? Did you run CE discs that heavy? Thank you.

[accidentalROLLER]

Those probably won't be a general release disc yet though.

That's quite alright as long as I can purchase them from somewhere (discgolfvalues). The only complaint I have with the Monarch is that the plastic is quite slick sometimes (with the super clear champ plastic). A Star Monarch would be one of the best discs ever.

[discette]

That's quite alright as long as I can purchase them from somewhere (discgolfvalues). The only complaint I have with the Monarch is that the plastic is quite slick sometimes (with the super clear champ plastic). A Star Monarch would be one of the best discs ever.

The Star Monarch has been produced in limited numbers. It will be available soon as an exclusive 2009 Kansas City Pro/Am World fund raiser.