Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[John Keith]

Dave, how do we get Ram's. are you going to make any, and, or is anyone selling them?

[Furthur]

The current Champion Firebirds are FX.
Rams are not currently in production.

Perhaps you should hone your speed vs. snap ratio.

[dgdave]

All champ FB are FX unless its a cfr FL.

Unless its super SUPER beat, I think you need to look at the indian and not the arrow.

I live in Oklahoma and I've never met a wind that will flip a FB. I avg about 390-400 with Teebirds, fyi

[dgdave]

Actually go buy a stiff dx viper and gazelle and play the wind with those. That's one of the best ways to work on your wind game

[poisonelf]

Actually the new champion firebirds are kind of gummy and they aren't what you would call over stable. The stablity reminds me of the old monster-l mold

[pdiddy71]

monsters and teerex's have been good to in the wind.

[Richard]

Dave,

Word on the street is that you guys have made some CFR Max's. How do they fly in relation to the Star Max? Is it safe to assume that they are a little more over-stable?

[rizbee]

The current Champion Firebirds are FX.
Rams are not currently in production.

Perhaps you should hone your speed vs. snap ratio.

Ditto that. A lot of "flippiness" comes from technique where you're not putting enough spin on the disc. I throw mostly light plastic (150-160g drivers), very often into headwinds, without flipping them. The reason that they don't flip is because I have developend a delivery that imparts lots of spin on the disc. Lots of times it's not the disc, it's the thrower that needs changing (no offense intended). Thing is, most players find it easier to change discs than to change their form. That's what keeps Dave in business...

[davei]

Dave,

Word on the street is that you guys have made some CFR Max's. How do they fly in relation to the Star Max? Is it safe to assume that they are a little more over-stable?

Most of the Champion long range drivers have been molding slightly more high speed stable than the Stars of the same mold. I can't say anything specific about the Champion Max's, because I don't know, but I think it is a good assumption.

[Richard]

Thanks. I have 2 on the way and can't wait to try them out. I'd much rather have Champion over Star in anything.

[OSUNURSE]

Dave,

Word on the street is that you guys have made some CFR Max's. How do they fly in relation to the Star Max? Is it safe to assume that they are a little more over-stable?

discgolfvalues.com is currently selling some champion (CFR) max's, matterafact!

[drdisc]

Riz is right. If you are flipping an overstable disc, I bet you are also "breaking" your wrist at the instant of release.

[pdiddy71]

i do it sometimes because i over rotate on the ball of my front foot and heel of the other.

[davei]

We have been molding and testing the Boss for a while now and it appears there are variations in the run that range from Destroyer type to XCaliber type. The XCaliber type seem to be domier than the Destroyer type.

[Richard]

I vote for the Destroyer type.

Dave,

I heard that you guys might start running Vikings in the Star plastic. Is there any truth to that?

[davei]

I vote for the Destroyer type.

Dave,

I heard that you guys might start running Vikings in the Star plastic. Is there any truth to that?

We have no plans to run the Star Viking at this time.

[dgdave]

Dave,

I remember you saying there are "good" and "bad" vikings. I can't find the post, so how can you tell them apart? Thanks

[davei]

Dave,

I remember you saying there are "good" and "bad" vikings. I can't find the post, so how can you tell them apart? Thanks

Originally, the ones with the "record grooves" on top were the good ones. We haven't made bad ones for a while, but if they are still out there, they would be almost impossible to tell from the good ones other than by throwing. The good ones are much more high speed stable.

[MikeG]

Long turning discs are next. Again, it's easy to make a long disc turn, but not easy to make it turn reliably and consistently.

I think you achieved this nicely with the Monarch - super long, slow turns that are easy to control. I assume this is achieved with the underside groove - can you explain how it works? Also, will a similar groove be present in any upcoming discs?

[davei]

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I think you achieved this nicely with the Monarch - super long, slow turns that are easy to control. I assume this is achieved with the underside groove - can you explain how it works? Also, will a similar groove be present in any upcoming discs?

[/QUOTE]

We are working on several other models that are trying to achieve a similar performance. I am still learning how it works exactly, but one thing is straightforward. It takes weight out of the rim.

[John Keith]

thanks guys. i will analyze my release and wrist. i hope i can solve the issue. i will keep using firbirds and see what i can do. again thanks, im always in the mood for learning...

[colin-evans]

My last Champ Firebird was just a little more stable than a Champ Teebird with some nice glide... but not a firebird
A nice compliment to a firebird however... I guess i will keep throwing my Discmania PD for Firbird type shots as the one I bought is that stable.

ce

[davei]

My last Champ Firebird was just a little more stable than a Champ Teebird with some nice glide... but not a firebird
A nice compliment to a firebird however... I guess i will keep throwing my Discmania PD for Firbird type shots as the one I bought is that stable.

ce

The Discmania PD is what I use in place of a Firebird and TeeBird for my game. It works for both my sidearm and back hand. The Firebird tended to be a little over stable and the TeeBird a little understable.

[KevinMPeterson]

Dave, I am curious to know if you can tell the different "types" of BOSS via visual inspection, or weight. If there is a physical difference, market both under different badging. I would like something that would increase my distance besides all the practice and core training I am already doing, and I can see the use in a faster longer overstable driver too. Why not? KP

[davei]

Dave, I am curious to know if you can tell the different "types" of BOSS via visual inspection, or weight. If there is a physical difference, market both under different badging. I would like something that would increase my distance besides all the practice and core training I am already doing, and I can see the use in a faster longer overstable driver too. Why not? KP

I agree and we might be able to make that distinction in time. We have a new material coming in a month or so that should make the longer Destroyer like Boss consistently. But, for now we have a mix. The domier Boss seems to be the more high speed stable kind, and the flatter seems to have more of a turn. So far, I haven't seen, or heard of, a deviation from this pattern, but I have only tested a few dozen in the field.

[gokayaksteven]

what is the new material?

[bcleary]

Dave, the Boss pre-release discs for U.S. Masters and the SoCal Champions are limited batches of 100 each. Are there noted differences in these runs, i.e. more destroyer like vs. Xcal like? I would also like to say thanks for taking the time to answer the forums questions.

[20460chase]

Saw a Boss flip over like nothing last night.

[davei]

what is the new material?

Different company. Same basic material. Makes a difference.

[davei]

Dave, the Boss pre-release discs for U.S. Masters and the SoCal Champions are limited batches of 100 each. Are there noted differences in these runs, i.e. more destroyer like vs. Xcal like? I would also like to say thanks for taking the time to answer the forums questions.

There are differences, but I don't know which discs are in which runs. The most stable discs I have tested were what we call Merlot color. It's a dark reddish purple. These were somewhat poppy top too. The least stable were flattish dome blue.