Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Oh great, So I can buy one off Ebay for $50 from someone that lives in California.

How about offering them to retailers?

We will if we can make them look good. Otherwise, probably not. I'm not ruling it out, if we can identify them as "bad", but my first choice is to make them look good.

[davei]

As you may remember i love Pro Orcs... Recently a friend had me throw his new Star Beast and the thing outflew my Pro Orc and had a very similar flight. (newer one from the more durable run of Pro Orcs)... Is that an anomaly or is that one of the reasons you kept the Pro Beast but discontinued the Pro Orc? I used to throw the old Beast -- did it get re-tooled?

I am finding my Destroyer is the bomb for headwind and long hyzer all the way shots, but still love Pro Orcs for max. D hyzer flips...

Yes, the Beast did get retooled and that was one reason why we discontinued the Pro Orc. The other was the fragility of the Orc structure. We have since upgraded the Pro material so it is possible that the Orc mold might be used again with a Pro type material.

[AviarX]

Yes, the Beast did get retooled and that was one reason why we discontinued the Pro Orc. The other was the fragility of the Orc structure. We have since upgraded the Pro material so it is possible that the Orc mold might be used again with a Pro type material.

i need some that are blue

[warlocks00]

i need some that are blue

I always liked the blues ones as well...and when they went out of production. I switched to blue pro Beasts.(still get a few of the old style in every once in a while.)

[mikeP]

Yes, the Beast did get retooled and that was one reason why we discontinued the Pro Orc. The other was the fragility of the Orc structure. We have since upgraded the Pro material so it is possible that the Orc mold might be used again with a Pro type material.

This makes sense...I got a pro cobra when they came out and used it for one round @ a wooded course and it looked like it got hit by a lawnmower (I wasn't real accurate yet). After that I tried a few other discs in pro (TL, SL) and I was still unsatisfied with the durability despite the glide. I have been throwing pro Destroyers now for 6 months and I am quite pleased with their durability. They feel very solid in the rim (even more than star), and as long as I don't crack anything off the tee, they do not noticibly lose stability hit to hit. Durable pro plastic is a great thing, keep it up!

How about the Boss in pro?

[futurecollisions]

[QUOTE]

We have since upgraded the Pro material so it is possible that the Orc mold might be used again with a Pro type material.

The Pro Orc is my favorite driver....... blue, red, white, yellow, i dont care, just bring them back! Thanks Dave

[Richard]

Dave,

The first batch of CFR Champion Destroyers that came out were super flat and flew great. I throw for distance using a hyzerflip technique and those babies turn over slightly and just plain out bomb. Some of the newer runs that I've been throwing have a lot more dome and are super over-stable. I know that you've answered this type of question in previous posts. My concern is about the production run if/when it comes out. Will it be flat or domey?

Also, could you give me insight on why a First Run Big Star Teerex flies totally different than a production run Star Teerex? Is it just me? I've gobbled up about 40 of the First Runs because I can throw them a lot further. Thanks for any info.

[Richard]

Dave,

One more thing. What is the difference between a Champion Wraith X and a production run Champion Wraith?

[MikeG]

It is much more difficult to get a straight glider from a wide rim, than speed. Speed is easy. We could make a future model that is faster than the Boss, but I don't think we will.

If you're probably not going to produce faster discs, what's the next area of disc design you'd like to work on?

[rickb]

Dave I'm curious to know about the Special Edition Gazelle. I've got a few of these stashed away and have never heard anything about run numbers of if it ever made it into regular production.
Any help here would be great and as always THANKS for taking the time to always satisfy us discheads.

[dgdave]

Here's a bit of info

http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/...px?DiscId=2178

[mikeP]

Dave,

The first batch of CFR Champion Destroyers that came out were super flat and flew great. I throw for distance using a hyzerflip technique and those babies turn over slightly and just plain out bomb. Some of the newer runs that I've been throwing have a lot more dome and are super over-stable. I know that you've answered this type of question in previous posts. My concern is about the production run if/when it comes out. Will it be flat or domey?

Also, could you give me insight on why a First Run Big Star Teerex flies totally different than a production run Star Teerex? Is it just me? I've gobbled up about 40 of the First Runs because I can throw them a lot further. Thanks for any info.

I've been around long enough to take on your question...First of all plastic disc manufacturing, on any scale, produces variations that are unavoidable. Rarely are any of these intentioal, and it actually works out in the players' favor b/c you can find a range of stabilities with about every disc. Production Destroyers will be ran again and again. If there is a trend one way or another that is outside of what Dave thinks is proper, adjustments will be made. Even so, there will be domey and flat, stiff and soft, and everything in between. Disc golfers are very individualistic and there are groups of players that only buy stiff, gummy, flat, domey, etc.

Teerexes and Wraiths have been retooled several times to fit into Dave's vision of what their respective roles should be.

[davei]

Dave,

One more thing. What is the difference between a Champion Wraith X and a production run Champion Wraith?

Discspeeds answers are pretty good. We can partially control the dome and stability of the wide rimmed discs, but there still is an element of uncertainty. Of late we are tending to make the Champion versions slightly more overstable than the Star versions. The Pro versions are not particularly controllable. They do what they want except they consistently have a higher dome.

The Wraith X was a more overstable version of the Wraith that doesn't exist anymore. The TeeRex was retooled three times. The original run was correct, but when we used a duplicate piece, (which turned out to not be a duplicate), we retooled. That didn't work satisfactorily so we made a whole new part, then another that was finally satisfactory before we found out that the original was fine.

[davei]

Dave I'm curious to know about the Special Edition Gazelle. I've got a few of these stashed away and have never heard anything about run numbers of if it ever made it into regular production.
Any help here would be great and as always THANKS for taking the time to always satisfy us discheads.

The Special Edition Gazelle was a precursor to the KC Pro series. I don't remember the disc other than we ran it. I think it was a Pro type of material, but I am not sure. I don't think we ran more than 2000-4000, but again, I am not sure.

[davei]

If you're probably not going to produce faster discs, what's the next area of disc design you'd like to work on?

Long turning discs are next. Again, it's easy to make a long disc turn, but not easy to make it turn reliably and consistently.

[jsun3thousand]

Dave

Is there any chance of the mini driver coming back in DX plastic? Since I have limited disc golf access and time in my area, mini golf has become my crutch. I love the new star mini drivers, they are long and overstable and great for mini thumbers, but the DX mini driver is the greatest putter in the mini market.- I have only one and I would like more. Is there a future for DX mini drivers? Is there any plans to create new minis? Everyone I introduce to mini golf loves it. Jason

[davei]

Dave

Is there any chance of the mini driver coming back in DX plastic? Since I have limited disc golf access and time in my area, mini golf has become my crutch. I love the new star mini drivers, they are long and overstable and great for mini thumbers, but the DX mini driver is the greatest putter in the mini market.- I have only one and I would like more. Is there a future for DX mini drivers? Is there any plans to create new minis? Everyone I introduce to mini golf loves it. Jason

We are making DX minis now in a heavy Aviar type. We will make mini drivers in the future.

[John Keith]

Ok Dave, and readers. i take back what i said about Xc's. I now see why there is need for a fast more overstable version disc. I just played a 2 day tourny and the Star XC turned over for me and cost me strokes...it was so windy my max was having trouble. a champ XC stayed real stable in a head wind and I would like to see a boss. I want to be ready next time a windy tourny comes to town. Something reliable into a strong (20mph+) head wind i can chunk 350+..

[John Keith]

Dave, i just saw some new Aviar Driver's. (Big Bead) are these big bead aviar's. ive heard so much of these from old school players. they seem to be an amazing putter. i have not heard much hype, seems to be a silent release? and are these here to stay , or are they a limited thing? i bought 2, i hope they take the place of my putter..

[ChrisWoj]

Ok Dave, and readers. i take back what i said about Xc's. I now see why there is need for a fast more overstable version disc. I just played a 2 day tourny and the Star XC turned over for me and cost me strokes...it was so windy my max was having trouble. a champ XC stayed real stable in a head wind and I would like to see a boss. I want to be ready next time a windy tourny comes to town. Something reliable into a strong (20mph+) head wind i can chunk 350+..

Its called a firebird.

[davei]

Dave, i just saw some new Aviar Driver's. (Big Bead) are these big bead aviar's. ive heard so much of these from old school players. they seem to be an amazing putter. i have not heard much hype, seems to be a silent release? and are these here to stay , or are they a limited thing? i bought 2, i hope they take the place of my putter..

They are a regular offering. They come in DX, KC Pro, JK Pro, Star and Champion. The DX is only available for custom hot stamping.

[Richard]

Dave,

I changed putters and have started putting with the 12x KC Pro Big Beads. The first few I bought felt great, almost like a grippy DX. The last couple that I bought are real slick feeling and even look different. Are there 2 different runs? They seem to be 2 totally different discs.

[Richard]

I guess this has already been answered. I guess when dealing with molds and plastics some things are just out of your control. This is not meant to be hateful, but I feel like I better hold on to every good flyer that I find. It seems like everytime I have faith in something and I buy a few more to keep around they fly different.

[OSUNURSE]

Dave, I just started throwing a CFR Champ. Viper. It HAS to be the most stable disc ever made, including the whippet. Why is it only regularly produced in DX? Why do you think the Whippet is a cult favorite over the Viper?

[davei]

Dave, I just started throwing a CFR Champ. Viper. It HAS to be the most stable disc ever made, including the whippet. Why is it only regularly produced in DX? Why do you think the Whippet is a cult favorite over the Viper?

The Viper is still a good seller in DX. It doesn't sell well in Champion as it doesn't serve the wide market demographic. The Viper used to be state of the art, but was supplanted by the smaller diameter discs like the Whippet. I believe the diameter is the difference in appeal. The Ram has a following too in this same over stable niche. It too is a larger diameter disc, which only seems to appeal to the players that have been around for a while.

[Richard]

Found this on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Innova-Boss-Disc-Gol...id=p3286.c0.m14

[tenWatt]

Found this on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Innova-Boss-Disc-Gol...id=p3286.c0.m14

You sure did!

Wrong forum maybe!

[John Keith]

thanks captain obvious! but i have tried that, and it seems some of the new champion are not Firebird FX becuase i flip them, especially in wind... i need more like a whippet, but longer range

[John Keith]

ok Dave? what would the closest stability rating to a Firebird CE FX... meaning are champ firebirds presently FX molds, or are monster closer? im having a problem finding a champion mold overstable disc. monsters get flippy, and champ firebirds dont seem to be FX. with out buying pricey CE FX what is my closest disc?

[John Keith]

i tell you what! go get a big bead aviar driver DX, them are awesome, grippy, great flying putters, very true, very diff from the KC, i cant stand the KC plastic for a putter, but the DX BB is sweet....