Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Dave, so this new Discmania disc is different from their new Power Driver or PD?

Thanks as always.

Yes, the PD was already released and is like a cross between a Firebird and Starfire.

[davei]

Dave -

I love the Pig. I have 2. One is a Orange Pro Pig, and the other is the Star stamp in the Worlds Players pack. Both max weight. The numbers for this (on your website) are exactly the same as a Rhyno except one notch faster. However, mine are WAY more overstable than a Rhyno. I would say it is closer to a slower Whippet than a faster Rhyno.

Are you (or others) seeing the same thing or do I just have some SWEET flukes? Do you ever change the numbers after the initial entry or are they pretty much set in stone?

I wonder if people would be more interested in the disc if the ratings were closer to actual.

Thanks again!

Yes, we do change the numbers if we think they need it. Initially, I did see what you are seeing, but my Pig mellowed out fairly quickly. Even though, it is a little more over stable than a Rhyno, but I would not agree that it is as over stable as a Whippet. You may have some exceptionally over stable Pigs.

[davei]

Dave--from your experience, how would you compare the cfr champ destroyers and the stock-stamp star xcalibers? thx--steven

They are sometimes very comparable. Champ Destroyers tend to be more stable than Star. Likewise, some Star XCalibers are less stable than some Echo Star and some Champ XCals.

[cgoodwin]

It may be a molding variation but it seems to be the norm lately for most drivers. I really like flatter drivers in general and all the molds I prefer are almost always domey now. At least Sidewinders, Teebirds, Valkyries, & Orcs are this way and it's in Champion or Star plastic as well. I see it in mids as well. I just like the feel of a flat disc in my hand and it seems to come out cleaner more often, especially with a forehand.

Dave, are these molds popping up more because they are cooling quicker? If that's the case is it more feasible to do this to increase disc production over the same amount of time and therefore makes it more cost effective? I'm sure there are others that like a more domey disc in certain molds but myself and many others I play with prefer a flatter molding. Either way flat discs are much less common now than in previous years.

Hey Dave, I don't think you saw this post from a few pages back. Basically, what are the reasons for a particular disc coming out of production domey or flat? There seems to be a good bit of variation in Star or Champion plastic. How much control do you have over this molding variation? Lastly, do you have an ideal amount of dome you would like to achieve in general for all discs or does it vary for different molds? Thanks in advance for any incite.

[m_conners]

I like the flat top champ firebirds but apparently Innova is trying to get away from this...poor decision if you ask me.

[Karma Police]

I'll 2nd that. I like flatter tops on all my drivers. I tend to stay away from the ones with a high dome. And there seems to be more and more domey discs around. It's getting kind of annoying actually.

[Karma Police]

Boss approved today. 2.5cm rim thickness (1 inch!).

Well I guess I won't be throwing that disc either.

[m_conners]

And there seems to be more and more domey discs around. It's getting kind of annoying actually.

I've noticed that too...same thing with the star destroyers, a lot of the first runs were "flat top" which in my opinion fly much better than the current run of domey star destroyers.

[krazyeye]

Domey sucks.

[gokayaksteven]

i think the domey discs [at least destroyer and xcal] fly straighter, with more glide.

[davei]

Hey Dave, I don't think you saw this post from a few pages back. Basically, what are the reasons for a particular disc coming out of production domey or flat? There seems to be a good bit of variation in Star or Champion plastic. How much control do you have over this molding variation? Lastly, do you have an ideal amount of dome you would like to achieve in general for all discs or does it vary for different molds? Thanks in advance for any incite.

Mainly the differences in molding are due to differences in materials we are supplied. There is an optimal amount of dome for every mold which varies from disc to disc. A flat or domey disc is not inherently better or worse. The end user decides which he wants to use. I personally don't like either flat or domey. Flat feels better in my hand, but doesn't usually fly the way I want. Usually flat discs have excessive dive which is not good for distance or accuracy. On the other hand, the flat discs generally perform better in the wind.

[krazyeye]

On the other hand, the flat discs generally perform better in the wind.

Guess that explains why MC and I prefer flat. Oklahoma and Corpus Christi TX respectively.

[accidentalROLLER]

Dave,
Any chance the Monarch will be made in Star plastic?
Thanks.

[m_conners]

Guess that explains why MC and I prefer flat. Oklahoma and Corpus Christi TX respectively.

Affirmative on that, you gotta love that TX/Okie wind the flat top star destroyers laugh in the face of most headwinds. If i'm not using the flat top star destroyer into a headwind it will most definetly be a star MAX.

[futurecollisions]

159g Star Monarchs and Pro Orcs please!!!!!!!!!

[gokayaksteven]

dave--would the cooling process affect dome?

[RhynoBoy]

I would very much like to see the Monarch in Star plastic too.

Dave,
I was just wondering why some discs have special first run stamps, Like Starfire, Sidewinder, Destroyer, Xcal...etc.. and other discs don't get first run stamps, like the Monarch, Pig, sonic and others. I guess it doesn't really matter, they probably still have mostly the same flight characteristics.

Thanks,
Chris

[davei]

Dave,
Any chance the Monarch will be made in Star plastic?
Thanks.

Yes, but probably not this season.

[davei]

dave--would the cooling process affect dome?

It does in DX, but is not a consistent factor for Star, Pro, or Champion.

[davei]

I would very much like to see the Monarch in Star plastic too.

Dave,
I was just wondering why some discs have special first run stamps, Like Starfire, Sidewinder, Destroyer, Xcal...etc.. and other discs don't get first run stamps, like the Monarch, Pig, sonic and others. I guess it doesn't really matter, they probably still have mostly the same flight characteristics.

Thanks,
Chris

We are supposed to do first run stamps on most everything, but sometimes it slips by. Usually my fault for wanting to meet a deadline for release.

[LeftyGod]

Boss approved today. 2.5cm rim thickness (1 inch!).

Is it available yet????

[davei]

Is it available yet????

No. Release is tentatively scheduled in time for USDGC.

[Boneman]

Yo Dave ... not a question here but ... I got to throw a couple Pigs yesterday for the first time. I can see how it got it's name! Nice disc! I was surprised by the grippy Pro plastic ... interesting. Do they get a less tacky after their used for awhile? I think I'm going to like this disc a lot. I throw CH Gators (and will continue to throw them for longer shots because they are awesome), but i think the Pig will fit in my bag nicely.
I didn't think I would like this disc because of the thumbtrac, but I'm pleasantly surprised that it doesn't bother me at all.

Nice job!

[Luckymutha]

Mine is still very tacky after a month and alot of throwing.

One thing I have noticed is Sharpie does not stick to it. I can scratch / rub it off easily. Oddly, the same thing happens with my Epic.

[Boneman]

Mine is still very tacky after a month and alot of throwing.

One thing I have noticed is Sharpie does not stick to it. I can scratch / rub it off easily. Oddly, the same thing happens with my Epic.

These Pigs are so tacky that when they hit the ground they don't go far ... which is a very good thing, in a way. I was really surprised at how fast they stop when they hit the ground, even throwing as hard and as far as I can throw them. They stop on a dime.

[LeftyGod]

These Pigs are so tacky that when they hit the ground they don't go far ... which is a very good thing, in a way. I was really surprised at how fast they stop when they hit the ground, even throwing as hard and as far as I can throw them. They stop on a dime.

They also stop 6 inches from the pin to win the innova sport ctp at HELL ON THE BORDER.

Extremely consistant in the headwind.

[Thunder3434]

Looking at the list of approved disc the Discmania Distance driver has also made the list.

[Thunder3434]

Disc golf Valves are ready has the DD for sale or pre order .

[AviarX]

Hi Dave,

heretofore, coming from a frisbee background led me to avoid overstable stuff, but now i am starting to note that overstable drivers may make certain kinds of disc golf shots (landing near the pin) a lot easier. what is your strategy with regard to that? [when a hole's layout allows for it] do you find throwing the disc on a vector that enables the disc to do what it wants better than the frisbee mindset of making the disc fly the way you want it to?

also, what do you see as the greatest strengths of the Monarch?

as always -- thanks for your time, it is greatly appreciated.

[cgkdisc]

Consider reading Feldberg's interview related to your question:
www.1000rated.com/?p=82