Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

We are discussing that. I am for lowering slightly. It's a real good disc that deserves wider distribution IMO.

[circle_2]

In my very honest and ever-so-humble opinion >>> I don't wish to buy(or)throw(or)lose a $25 disc: period. (And I won't! )
C'mon Dave! TLs for us all!! Make them available in some kind of in-between plastic...like SE!!! (...as has been discussed before here...many times)

[davei]

We intend to make the older pro version but they're different. They're domier and flippier, and don't last as long. On the other hand, many people like the grip better. At what price point would you consider the Candy TL to be a pretty good buy?

[circle_2]

I'm not recalling the 'pro' version? Proline??
I remember SE TLs (and SE Ts for that matter!), CE TLs, and the fundraisers from this last year...which cost me $30 of my prize-winnings...and I splurged 'because' it was my first PDGA win!
Overall, why not price them as any other candy disc...around $15. $18 tops! [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[davei]

Circle 2, I was under the impression that the suggested price was $20 to $30. I could be wrong. We are definitely reviewing the candy TL's suggested price. What I have been hearing might not have been what was actually going on. Although I don't want to make any unilateral decisions, my input will be to suggest a $15 to $25 range for the TL. Thanks.

Paul I answered your MTA roc question on the distance thread. I guess I should have answered it here. Anyway, they are available. If I find out to the contrary, I will repost, and make some. The Roc is running now.

Dave, can you let me know about the availability of the Classic Roc in the MTA weight you spoke of earlier? I believe you said in 1986 you set an MTA record of 14 seconds with one weighing 103 grams. Is it still possible to order 103 gram Classic Rocs from Innova? At a few retailers I checked online, it looked like 150 grams was the lightest weight offered.

[davei]

Robj, I believe Wright Life, and Discovering the World, (two large mail order stores), have the current 113 gm version. The original version of the Classic Roc, is probably no longer available. You might check with those stores though, they carry a lot of other disc sport stuff.

[discette]

Dave, I see the Champion Whippets only go down to 165. Are there any stable Champion discs is the 150 range? You know, Firebirds, Banshees, Monsters or Vikings?

[davei]

Banshees go down into 150 class. We were playing with them at the last Japan Open. Firebirds would have to be DX that low. In Candy, Firebirds aren't all that stable at 150 gm. And, yes, I like to play with girls.

what is the TL?

Teebird Less stable

[davei]

The full answer is a variation of a TeeBird that is Less stable, Longer gliding, and more Leopard-like. It is better for long turn over shots than the regular T and is a better finesse disc to the regular Ts power.

[atreau3]

Here is an open question...

What is the most overstable disc on the mkt... all brands? I believe it is the new Candy Viper. Anyone have any different opinions?

[jefferson]

most stable i've seen...

candy viper
new plastic speed demon
candy glo banshee

[dannyreeves]

don't forget the Z-Xtreme

[eddie_ogburn]

Dave

[eddie_ogburn]

Here is an open question...

What is the most overstable disc on the mkt... all brands?

My candy monster is a stable pig!!

[circle_2]

Overstability equaling 'least distance' due to fade...? A 'slow' disc is needed...

'New' Demon G5i hands down! (IMHO! [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img])

Another vote for the new plastic speed demon.

so, how come this TL isnt on the innova site? how new is it? is it just that its not different enough from the teebird to warrant its own name or something? im just interested in this disc, and want to know more about it. it sounds to me from your explanation dave, like an archangel.

speed demon - nothing else compares. Z-Xtreme is probably the longest lasting overstable driver but I have not thrown the new Evolution Speed Demon. I had an older H/E Speed Demon which held up to all kinds of abuse.

[davei]

The TL has been around as long as the regular Teebird. It was in special edition and candy. It is in fundraising now. It is basically a straight flyer with a slight turnover. Not like an Archangel that much. DX Archangels have much more turnover.

[dannyreeves]

The TL is the perfect balance between speed and glide.

[disc19608]

Is it just me or is the Candy Rhyno thicker/taller than the other molds? I love the rhyno as a putter and would love to use the Candy ones, but they just don't feel the same. The Candy Rhynos ARE thicker is my contention. Do I need to make some post-production modifications like spinning it on my carpet with a lot of pressure to "shave" it down a bit? How about some 60 grit paper? If I were able to slice a 32nd off the bottom, would this be legal? It just seems to be a fatter disc overall. Ever try putting a bead or thumbtrack on the XD? Or would that just make it into an Aviar or Rhyno, respectively? Anyways, I can't wait for the Candy XD and Gremlin.

[neonnoodle]

I gotta agree with Danny, though the Champion Beast is better at both, but not together... (Or maybe I just haven't figured them out as much. Yet!)

[circle_2]

Dave, I guess my beef is that one can buy Rocs in 3 plastics from around $8 to $25+...though a recent post stated that '01 CE Rocs are fetching $100-$140! (Still have my unthrown 175g '01 [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img])
On the other hand, Tee Bird TLs are only available as candy-fundraisers with a $20-$30 SRP. How's 'bout a way for the working class to own and throw a TL, too...after all, IMHO, the TL is the best disc for my wimpy arm (325-340ish avg max)...and my reserves of SEs are gettin' kinda low!

Yes, TLs rule. I dream of the day when there are runs of them released as normal discs instead of candy fundraisers. As much as people drool about them over the pdga message board it's hard to believe that the demand for them alone doesn't warrant them to be released as a regular disc. And yes, I still plan on buying up all the TL's that will be coming out in the new SE/old KC pro type plastic.

[davei]

We hope to be testing the SE/Pro TLs next week.

[discchucker]

Drooling on keyboard....the day is getting closer....se/kc tl's...oh happy day....