Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[Furthur]

I would bet on Destroyer. It's a disc that Dave throws, plus it's a big seller. The DF Destroyer would be a good financial decision for him.

[skaZZirf]

Got to win more than 1 worlds, I think. Now, if he won the USDGC this year, WOW.

[Furthur]

Barry has 2 discs (leopard, beast), and he's won 2 worlds.

[johnbiscoe]

dave's won all the majors except japan at this point- with barry and kenny playing a bit less than at times in the past seems like it would make sense for innova to get a feldberg disc out there.

[rocguy77]

didn't dave win in japan this year?

[mitchjustice]

yes...9 stroke win

[dionarlyn]

USDGC 2005
European Open 2006
Players Cup 2007
Japan Open 2008
Worlds 2008

That's all of them.

[johnbiscoe]

yes...9 stroke win

oops, my bad, for some reason i had it in my head that steve won that one.

[davei]

Hi Dave,

I'm a huge fan of DX Eagle-X's. However, a lot of merchants don't know the difference between L and X so tracking one down becomes a harder process than usual.

Are there any plans to rename the L mold the EL? What about the Gator L if it is run again?

I heard when the SL was fully renamed that it required another PDGA approval, so does that generally prevent Innova from changing names when L and X molds share a name?

We are no longer running any Eagles except X type. No Ls will be made in the future. We will mark any variations on the bottom of the disc, if there are any.

[davei]

DD... now that Feldberg won Worlds is he going to get a 'dave feldberg World Champ' signature disc like Barry, Kenny, Juliana?

if so when can those be expected and any 'rumors' on what disc it might be?

We are thinking about it. We recently sent a disc in for certification that might fit the bill. We also sent some to Dave, to field test. If Dave did win the USDGC again, it would seal the deal. He is the number one player and has an impressive list of Major open victories. We have no release date set yet.

[jmc2442]

he also won the Scand this year... the memorial... Dave is flying high. just like Val is tearing up Womens.

which leads me to ask, when is she going to get a signature disc? two time reigning, defending, undisputed FEMALE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!!!

[pnkgtr]

I remember just a short time ago people were screaming for a Des disc.

[krupicka]

Unfortunately, there are a large number of male casual players that will not through a disc with a woman's name on it.

[stack]

forgot about Val... how could i forget about Val... she's tearing it up!

but as far as Feldberg... i think they'd be missing the boat not getting a disc out there with his name on it in regular production. If they delayed the 'echo' plastic it could've been the 'feldberg' plastic (like KC and JK have their own). Now that woulda been saweet!

[krazyeye]

Unfortunately, there are a large number of male casual players that will not through a disc with a woman's name on it.

Really? One of the first discs I bought was a JK Valk. Never crossed my mind.

[ChrisWoj]

Unfortunately, there are a large number of male casual players that will not through a disc with a woman's name on it.

Anyone not throwing Valkyries, and prefers to throw Innova, is really limiting themselves.

[cgkdisc]

Unfortunately, there are a large number of male casual players that will not through a disc with a woman's name on it.

Nor throw pink or purple discs with a male name on them...

[cgkdisc]

now that Feldberg won Worlds is he going to get a 'dave feldberg World Champ' signature disc

New disc named the Borg with the slogan "Resistance is futile" and Dave's signature on it might be cool if copyright issues wouldn't interfere.

[veganray]

In Dave's honor, just call it the "DF" & the more understable verion (with a Leopard bottom ) could be the DFL.

[maikyle]

Dave,
recently got a DX Roc, the Bird is facing to the right when looking at it with the old innova logo. Is this one special? thanks

[dgdave]

Thats just an older run. probably from 2000-2003 or 4. Does it say "Stable Mid-Range Driver"? Those are sweet

[rizbee]

Really? One of the first discs I bought was a JK Valk. Never crossed my mind.

My go-to driver is a JK Signature Champ. Valk. The signature is really big, 'cuz she signed the disc for me at Am Worlds last year.

[thetruthxl]

Unfortunately, there are a large number of male casual players that will not through a disc with a woman's name on it.

That's just ignorant. Not your post, but the thought that if it's a female sig disc, they won't throw it. 100 to 1 odds Val would whoop every single man that's ashamed to throw a Signature Val Jenkins Starfire.
I'll be the first in line for that disc.

[John Keith]

ok if Dave is throwing the Eco XC for his distance. explain this concept for me. im a pretty far throwing player and i throw pro destroyers for main distance. 400-420. i saw where Dave threw star teerex, now eco XC. Why so overstable? i know he might have more arm speed than me, but still these drivers finish so far left, i dont understand how that would be good for distance. unless they are just beating them in that much, then it seems they fly just like a new pro destroyer? help me understand.

[dgdave]

A disc acts a lot differently if your throwing 400 max than if you're throwing in the 470+ range with occasional 500.

[ChrisWoj]

ok if Dave is throwing the Eco XC for his distance. explain this concept for me. im a pretty far throwing player and i throw pro destroyers for main distance. 400-420. i saw where Dave threw star teerex, now eco XC. Why so overstable? i know he might have more arm speed than me, but still these drivers finish so far left, i dont understand how that would be good for distance. unless they are just beating them in that much, then it seems they fly just like a new pro destroyer? help me understand.

If you've got the arm speed for it, a more stable disc is going to fly on much more reliable long golf lines. I'd rather throw an XC for a 400-430 foot shot any day because they hold a reliable straight line and fade, whereas I need to put a little more touch on a Destroyer because of the way it flips up/over (depending on wing angle).

-Chris.

[John Keith]

2 things wrong with that. 1. for a sport that wants women to play more, that is a very male Shovenistic attitude to have. and what men actually care about that, i have not met any in TX or OK where i play.
2.i love the JK putter, have putt with it succesful for a while, and use the valk, and i never thought twice about it being from a chick. im sure she could kick my butt in putting with it any day, so i kept quite.

[John Keith]

ok good point. well i think i have good arm speed. i can turn a monster, max, firebird over. i have a good release, anny, hyzer, flat. i throw a star XC for windy (TX) days when i still need D. my distance is 400-450 with pretty good consistancy. 470-500 with great wind, or good day and a red bull. im a big arm for a local, but not the tour. i understand that... but i thought i would get max distance from learning how to release the destroyer on an angle to get the best flight characterisitcs.
it sounds like you are saying to keep working on arm speed and throw the crap out of XC, and stable stuff. if thats what the big dogs are doing i will learn.
i can flip an XC if i want to, i just didnt know that was the right thing to do? i wondered why i saw Dave F throwing a TeeRex for D when they came out.
but answer this, an XC is great for predictability, but how are you throwing 450+ when it finishes hard left (rhbh) and even can skip, how do you control that? unless its beat in? or unless your throwing so big of a High ceiling S shot (like robbie Bratten) then i understand?

[John Keith]

ok heres why i say that. i play with Robbie Bratten. yes he takes a pred out and bombs it 470+ high.. S shot. wow. ok he out throws me. but my 420-450 D is more controlled, lower ceiling. my scores end up better (unless the course is wide open) so i assume destroyer, more finesse get the D, but stay flat release, in control? How are Avery, Dave, You getting the distance? are you sacrificing the consistancy? or do i play to many tight fairway courses? LOL.

[ChrisWoj]

I'm definitely not sacrificing consistency (and before you click-click-back-back me and see I'm just some 964 rated kid with no pro earnings/skill... I've got $800 of earnings and a ratings bump that aren't in there yet since starting to accept cash, so I do know a LITTLE of what I'm talking about)...... Basically if you're dealing with flipping Firebirds (assuming champ max weight) you might not be getting the proper proportion of arm speed to snap.

Those things need to be in proportion. When I get 400-430 out of my XCaliber I'm putting the nose slightly up and releasing with a tiny bit of wing down (hyzer). To get it out 400 I can either go on a wider sweeping hyzer or a low laser, to get to 430 I need about 15 feet of air and it hyzer flips up straight, not really any turn or a very minimal amount. And to put into perspective how I throw, I'm really whipping it out there but I can throw it just as hard and not get any flip out of a Firebird.

Try this for working on throwing it as hard as you can without flipping it over: angle the nose just a teensy bit up. Just enough that it keeps it from flipping more. That'll help the disc avoid flipping when you snap the crap out of it. And then learn to keep the arm speed up and bring the snap more down in proportion with the arm speed, slowly lowering the nose angle until you're able to throw it level and far without flipping it too much.

Hope some of that made sense.


-Chris.