Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 247

davei · Dec 15 2006, 10:05 AM

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is there any chance of a star banshee any time soon?

No, not soon.

tokyo · Dec 15 2006, 12:08 PM

Hey Dave have you ever thought about making a game for the XBox or something. I think you could hire someone to make a rough draft and then go and try to sell the idea to EA or someone.

EricJKopit · Dec 15 2006, 12:22 PM

Dave, thanks for the XD info.

Yeah, I guess I just prefer the older ones because of the stiffer plastic.

-E

flynvegas · Dec 15 2006, 01:32 PM

Be careful with the older XD. That's what I began playing with in the mid 80's. Broke at least a dozen on cold days. The burnt orange ones with green stamps were the BOMB.

My son uses one for approaching, sweet touch disc.

EricJKopit · Dec 15 2006, 01:37 PM

Breaking discs in the cold is not something we generally concern ourselves with in Central California.

You broke those old XDs in the cold in Las Vegas??? I didn't think it got too cold there either...

-E

davei · Dec 15 2006, 01:59 PM

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Hey Dave have you ever thought about making a game for the XBox or something. I think you could hire someone to make a rough draft and then go and try to sell the idea to EA or someone.

We have done that in the past. It's really not our thing. There is a new game on a portable Playstation I think.

Drew32 · Dec 15 2006, 08:23 PM

I was all excited today to pickup another Max and the Big Bead Star Aviar today but as I was going through what we got in I noticed alot of discs that had the flashing removed and there were gouges in the rims from over cutting.
So needless to say I skipped getting a Max cause they all looked cut up (direct from the factory)
I guess I'll have to resort to paying the shipping cost and get one from a online store.
Just a heads up to you guys to check the rims for cuts before sending em out.
Other than that I think the new discs will be a big hit. The Max will probably replace my Monster in my bag.

davei · Dec 16 2006, 10:57 AM

Sorry, about the trim job. Usually the Max guys are very good at trimming as they are both veterans.

Drew32 · Dec 16 2006, 08:16 PM

It's all good. Only thing I ask is don't change the mold to a L mold, its perfect the way it is.
haha

Do the Swirly mixed colors always come out in the first run of the star plastic? I've seen some really great looking discs coming out this run from you guys.

mikeP · Dec 16 2006, 08:29 PM

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It's all good. Only thing I ask is don't change the mold to a L mold, its perfect the way it is.
haha

My Star Max is an L mold.

The first run Maxes that Ken Climo had were X mold bottoms like a Firebird. The one I just bought is definetely an L type mold. In fact it is very remniscent of the FL mold, only wider. Confusing yes, but I'm very happy none the less as this thing booms and is much more reliable and feels better in the hand than a TeeRex imo. It is not however balls out overstable.

davei · Dec 17 2006, 09:41 AM

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It's all good. Only thing I ask is don't change the mold to a L mold, its perfect the way it is.
haha

Do the Swirly mixed colors always come out in the first run of the star plastic? I've seen some really great looking discs coming out this run from you guys.

The Star Max is an L type. The swirly colors could be made at any time we are running Star.

rob · Dec 17 2006, 10:07 AM

The Star Max is an L type? OMG! I can't imagine the X!

flynvegas · Dec 17 2006, 10:13 AM

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Breaking discs in the cold is not something we generally concern ourselves with in Central California.

You broke those old XDs in the cold in Las Vegas??? I didn't think it got too cold there either...

-E

Forecast today is for possible snow showers down to 3500 ft. Mt Crest is probably at that elevation, and Anthem. It does get cold here.

Don't leave your discs in the car in the summer here, unless you want them warped by the heat.

mistuhmiles · Dec 17 2006, 06:04 PM

i can't imagine an x mold. the MAX i have is way over stable. it goes forever on a hyzer line though with no chance of flip. great disc.

disctance00 · Dec 18 2006, 10:21 AM

Dave, I tried looking on the Innova website and couldn't find what I'm loking for. So I'll ask you here. I got a Champion firebird here not too long ago and right off the bat this disc didn't fly like any Champion firebird I have ever thrown. I'll throw this disc flat and it will tend to start sliding to the right on me, nowhere near as stble as I am used to.

Was there a change made to this disc and is there anywhere I can find changes made to discs before I go buy them?

channelz · Dec 18 2006, 12:47 PM

I gotta think this has been previously addressed but could not find it so.....How do I tell if the red Champion Edition discs I have are first run or not? ...&... Is INNOVA ever going to stamp 1st run on any of their discs other than DX to avoid all the confusion?...Thanks....

citysmasher · Dec 18 2006, 01:30 PM

Dave,

I picked up a 175 Star BB Aviar.

I would say this disc might be a world beater. I can see why folks like this mold so much. I never like the gummy Aviar X plastic so I never tried it. I use the KC Pro Aviar for driving. This version will not take the driving snap or headwind of a KC Pro, but I guess it is quite a bit domier (like the JK), but for 50'-100' it snaps to dead straight from a little anheyser and does not really fade at the basket (which is shocking). It is going to take some getting used to, because it does not anheyser, it just goes straight.

My only comment would be that I would like to a see a little "chalkier" Star plastic instead of the more shiny Star plastic. I guess the shine will wear off some with abuse.

Maybe someday try to get the KC Pro shape in the Star plastic.

DSproAVIAR · Dec 18 2006, 01:45 PM

Dave, is there any designation on MAX L's and MAX X's? Are most MAX's you sent to retailers the L mold?

davei · Dec 18 2006, 02:16 PM

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Dave, I tried looking on the Innova website and couldn't find what I'm loking for. So I'll ask you here. I got a Champion firebird here not too long ago and right off the bat this disc didn't fly like any Champion firebird I have ever thrown. I'll throw this disc flat and it will tend to start sliding to the right on me, nowhere near as stble as I am used to.

Was there a change made to this disc and is there anywhere I can find changes made to discs before I go buy them?

No changes made. The Champion Firebirds are the normal X type. The Star FLs are the L type. If there is a significant change, we usually will put it in the Innova news. On the other hand, there are differences that occur between runs and inside of runs that have nothing to do with mold changes. We don't always know why the variations occur.

davei · Dec 18 2006, 02:17 PM

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I gotta think this has been previously addressed but could not find it so.....How do I tell if the red Champion Edition discs I have are first run or not? ...&... Is INNOVA ever going to stamp 1st run on any of their discs other than DX to avoid all the confusion?...Thanks....

Yes, we are putting first run stamps on most of the new discs, but sometimes we don't.

davei · Dec 18 2006, 02:22 PM

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Dave, is there any designation on MAX L's and MAX X's? Are most MAX's you sent to retailers the L mold?

All of the Maxes sent to the retailers were normal L type. I am not sure if we even tested any X type as the L type were perfect.

Dec 18 2006, 07:37 PM

Got my Max today. Gave it a good test and a good round. Yea, it's perfect. Thank goodness it's an "L". It's my fast Firebird. Ready to try it out in a major wind, probably hard and flat with overstable finish. Thanks. Oh Yea, it's Taffy-Like, Sweet.

mistuhmiles · Dec 19 2006, 05:12 PM

how does the eagle-x vary from the orc or starfire? i have been testing out a star eagle and it seems to fly very similar. a little slower is the only difference i have noticed so far. when it stopos raining here i will test more.

Dec 19 2006, 06:02 PM

This topic has probably already been discussed but I couldn't find it.

Are the 0time KC PRO ROCS the same as 11x with a different stamp, or was it re-tooled at all.

If there is going to be a 12x Roc will it be retooled?

davei · Dec 19 2006, 07:17 PM

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how does the eagle-x vary from the orc or starfire? i have been testing out a star eagle and it seems to fly very similar. a little slower is the only difference i have noticed so far. when it stopos raining here i will test more.

As you say, the Eagle X is a little slower, but I think it is a little more consistent too. T

davei · Dec 19 2006, 07:23 PM

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This topic has probably already been discussed but I couldn't find it.

Are the 0time KC PRO ROCS the same as 11x with a different stamp, or was it re-tooled at all.

If there is going to be a 12x Roc will it be retooled?

I think the 8X and 10X might have been Ontario type. The 11X and 12X are Rancho type. Ranchos are generally a little more overstable. There was no retooling involved before. We have multiple tools we can use. We usually only use the Rancho type anymore, unless we have a special run.

Which is the type that you prefer?

discchucker · Dec 19 2006, 10:56 PM

Ontario...

JRauch · Dec 20 2006, 12:52 AM

Rancho

poisonelf · Dec 20 2006, 01:22 AM

10X Ontario mold for sure...the 11X have there uses but take forever to beat in. For that matter I even like the 10X Aviar better than the 11X but i don't have the money to go out and buy 10X aviars for $30-$40 and 10X rocs for $35-$50. You could always do a CFR run.

Dec 20 2006, 02:50 AM

Ontarios.

Dec 15 2006, 12:08 PM	#7382
tokyo PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 1,086	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hey Dave have you ever thought about making a game for the XBox or something. I think you could hire someone to make a rough draft and then go and try to sell the idea to EA or someone. __________________ SOLSTICE DISC SPORTS http://www.eatsleepdisc.com/

Dec 15 2006, 12:22 PM	#7383
EricJKopit Community Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 142	Re: Ask Dave D here Dave, thanks for the XD info. Yeah, I guess I just prefer the older ones because of the stiffer plastic. -E

Dec 15 2006, 01:32 PM	#7384
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	Re: Ask Dave D here Be careful with the older XD. That's what I began playing with in the mid 80's. Broke at least a dozen on cold days. The burnt orange ones with green stamps were the BOMB. My son uses one for approaching, sweet touch disc.

Dec 15 2006, 01:37 PM	#7385
EricJKopit Community Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 142	Re: Ask Dave D here Breaking discs in the cold is not something we generally concern ourselves with in Central California. You broke those old XDs in the cold in Las Vegas??? I didn't think it got too cold there either... -E

Dec 15 2006, 08:23 PM	#7387
Drew32 PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 397	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I was all excited today to pickup another Max and the Big Bead Star Aviar today but as I was going through what we got in I noticed alot of discs that had the flashing removed and there were gouges in the rims from over cutting. So needless to say I skipped getting a Max cause they all looked cut up (direct from the factory) I guess I'll have to resort to paying the shipping cost and get one from a online store. Just a heads up to you guys to check the rims for cuts before sending em out. Other than that I think the new discs will be a big hit. The Max will probably replace my Monster in my bag.

Dec 16 2006, 10:57 AM	#7388
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, about the trim job. Usually the Max guys are very good at trimming as they are both veterans. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 16 2006, 08:16 PM	#7389
Drew32 PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 397	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! It's all good. Only thing I ask is don't change the mold to a L mold, its perfect the way it is. haha Do the Swirly mixed colors always come out in the first run of the star plastic? I've seen some really great looking discs coming out this run from you guys.

Dec 17 2006, 10:07 AM	#7392
rob PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 709	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! The Star Max is an L type? OMG! I can't imagine the X!

Dec 17 2006, 06:04 PM	#7394
mistuhmiles Membership Expired Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: live oak tx Posts: 444	Re: Ask Dave D here i can't imagine an x mold. the MAX i have is way over stable. it goes forever on a hyzer line though with no chance of flip. great disc. __________________ "Buy a ticket, Take a ride"

Dec 18 2006, 10:21 AM	#7395
disctance00 Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,108	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I tried looking on the Innova website and couldn't find what I'm loking for. So I'll ask you here. I got a Champion firebird here not too long ago and right off the bat this disc didn't fly like any Champion firebird I have ever thrown. I'll throw this disc flat and it will tend to start sliding to the right on me, nowhere near as stble as I am used to. Was there a change made to this disc and is there anywhere I can find changes made to discs before I go buy them? __________________ Spin in the wind

Dec 18 2006, 12:47 PM	#7396
channelz PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago-area Posts: 319	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I gotta think this has been previously addressed but could not find it so.....How do I tell if the red Champion Edition discs I have are first run or not? ...&... Is INNOVA ever going to stamp 1st run on any of their discs other than DX to avoid all the confusion?...Thanks....

Dec 18 2006, 01:30 PM	#7397
citysmasher Community Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 479	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I picked up a 175 Star BB Aviar. I would say this disc might be a world beater. I can see why folks like this mold so much. I never like the gummy Aviar X plastic so I never tried it. I use the KC Pro Aviar for driving. This version will not take the driving snap or headwind of a KC Pro, but I guess it is quite a bit domier (like the JK), but for 50'-100' it snaps to dead straight from a little anheyser and does not really fade at the basket (which is shocking). It is going to take some getting used to, because it does not anheyser, it just goes straight. My only comment would be that I would like to a see a little "chalkier" Star plastic instead of the more shiny Star plastic. I guess the shine will wear off some with abuse. Maybe someday try to get the KC Pro shape in the Star plastic.

Dec 18 2006, 01:45 PM	#7398
DSproAVIAR PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Skillet Posts: 2,506	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, is there any designation on MAX L's and MAX X's? Are most MAX's you sent to retailers the L mold? __________________ Cast Iron

Dec 18 2006, 07:37 PM	#7402
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Got my Max today. Gave it a good test and a good round. Yea, it's perfect. Thank goodness it's an "L". It's my fast Firebird. Ready to try it out in a major wind, probably hard and flat with overstable finish. Thanks. Oh Yea, it's Taffy-Like, Sweet.

Dec 19 2006, 05:12 PM	#7403
mistuhmiles Membership Expired Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: live oak tx Posts: 444	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! how does the eagle-x vary from the orc or starfire? i have been testing out a star eagle and it seems to fly very similar. a little slower is the only difference i have noticed so far. when it stopos raining here i will test more. __________________ "Buy a ticket, Take a ride"

Dec 19 2006, 06:02 PM	#7404
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! This topic has probably already been discussed but I couldn't find it. Are the 0time KC PRO ROCS the same as 11x with a different stamp, or was it re-tooled at all. If there is going to be a 12x Roc will it be retooled?

Dec 19 2006, 10:56 PM	#7407
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Ontario... __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Dec 20 2006, 12:52 AM	#7408
JRauch PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 228	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Rancho

Dec 20 2006, 01:22 AM	#7409
poisonelf PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 281	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! 10X Ontario mold for sure...the 11X have there uses but take forever to beat in. For that matter I even like the 10X Aviar better than the 11X but i don't have the money to go out and buy 10X aviars for $30-$40 and 10X rocs for $35-$50. You could always do a CFR run.

Dec 20 2006, 02:50 AM	#7410
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Ontarios.

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