Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

Regarding your question -- what kind of answer are you looking for? Do you really think Dave can tell you why another company's discs work better for you than his?

I was wondering if Innova catered to faster arm speed , or perhaps spin/grip variations. Like I said earlier, it is an honest question. Certainly there is some sort of r&d that goes into the production of their molds/plastic. I was only curious! How heavy is that chip on your shoulder?

By the way, I never professed to be a good speller. But u got the point......... I am sure your high school grammar teacher is proud of you! Keep up the good work!

BTW , Matt have a happy birthday...
@$$!

[ellswrth]

Thanks. Your sincerity is inspiring.

Thanks. Your sincerity is inspiring.

I try! Enjoy your day!

Birthday wishes from Portland, Oregon go to you, Mr. Kelly.

Dave:

Why do many Open players on the Innova team favor the big bead aviar molds when putting? Does the added stability of the bead simply increase the durable life of the putter? Or is it the stability itself that they like?

Just curious what your experience has been.

Many thanks,

Erik

[AviarX]

Here is a question Dave.
I recently switched from Innova to Discraft...
Why does the Discraft plastic fly further with less effort than the Innova plastic???

don't look for Climo, Schultz, Reading and Korver (or Sandstrom) to switch to the Dark side anytime soon.
Innova innovates; the rest copy -> study history.

if you find plastic that works for you terrific. as for less effort -- see what Bruce Lee had to say about that below ...

[primetime]

Innova innovates; the rest copy -> study history.

Not true. Innova didn't create the "Buzzz". The best mid-range disc on the market!

PT Woods
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[mikeP]

Here is a question Dave.
I recently switched from Innova to Discraft...
Why does the Discraft plastic fly further with less effort than the Innova plastic???

Since I throw both I can honestly say that any differences are due to the thrower. The discs fly the same with subtle differences in feel or flight. Subtle...I suspect you had reached a plataeu in your game, perhaps due to boredom. Throwing all new plastic gets you engaged in thinking about your mechanics, angles of release, etc. If you are more interested you will play better...Until you get bored of Discraft.

[davei]

Birthday wishes from Portland, Oregon go to you, Mr. Kelly.

Dave:

Why do many Open players on the Innova team favor the big bead aviar molds when putting? Does the added stability of the bead simply increase the durable life of the putter? Or is it the stability itself that they like?

Just curious what your experience has been.

Many thanks,

Erik

Good question Erik. I really don't know, but the answers I get are mainly that they like the feel. Stiffness, stability, and feel. But not necessarily in that order. The thing the BBs do best, (drive) IMO, is rarely mentioned.

[geomy]

Dave,
According to the header of the INNOVA site, 6 discs are being released Dec. 7. I'm really looking forward to the Max and the Aviar Driver. Can you give us a heads up as to what's planned for Star plastic down the road?

PS - Did you see my avatar?

[c_trotter]

Not true. Innova didn't create the "Buzzz". The best mid-range disc on the market!

No, but they did create the Roc, which Discraft copied by making a Wasp. A buzz is a retooled wasp, so in a way Innova had a lot more to do with it than you think.

[davei]

Dave,
According to the header of the INNOVA site, 6 discs are being released Dec. 7. I'm really looking forward to the Max and the Aviar Driver. Can you give us a heads up as to what's planned for Star plastic down the road?

PS - Did you see my avatar?

Star is planned for most of our discs. Some will be a gummier Star and some will be a firmer. Next up, as far as I know is FL and Skeeter.

I did see your avatar and I will run some Star Whippet Xes as 4 of our team guys tell me they use them for lawn darts. The Whippets will be limited.

[accidentalROLLER]

Dave, How many Team members still throw Cobras? Do you think the greatness of the cobra as a go-to midrange disc has been forgotten?

[AviarX]

No, but they did create the Roc, which Discraft copied by making a Wasp. A buzz is a retooled wasp, so in a way Innova had a lot more to do with it than you think.

Innova also makes the Millenium QMS which is better than a Buzzz anyday of the week. i was playing catch with my gummy QMS with a friend who throws Buzzz's and he was very impressed with the disc. he said it flew a lot like his Buzzz. i let him know the QMS preceded the Buzzz by years and he seemed surprised

when did the MS first get released?

[mikeP]

The MS is quite old, I remember Dave or John talking about it a while back and I was surprised by how old it is. BTW, there is more to a disc than stability, and though the Buzzz and MS are similar stabilities, they are very different discs and I often have each in my bag.

[AviarX]

the MS and the Coyote make a better team

Innova is so good people who throw the competition's discs can't help but read this thread

[mikeP]

Dave,

I dream of an Innova midrange that has not been created to date. It possesses:

A large diameter like a Roc, Shark, or Coyote.
The carry/glide of the Coyote, MS or beat Roc.
The beadless grip (like Coyote, Shark still is too tall).
A good resistance to high speed turn.
A predictable, but modest fade.
Slighly more range/speed/wind resistance than the MS, Roc, or Shark.
In Star and Champion plastic.

Dave probably already has this one in his head, I'm just here to report an existing demand for it.

[AviarX]

so you want a faster MS with more fade? wouldn't that make it into a driver?

[gokayaksteven]

Dave--is there any designation or way to tell the difference between the gummy stars and the stiffer stars other than holding both? it would be good to designate somehow, if only a pen mark on the bottom when the weight is written. among other reasons, it would make it easier for us that have to mail order. thanks again-steven

[mikeP]

so you want a faster MS with more fade? wouldn't that make it into a driver?

Slightly faster. The Coyote is faster, so is a Buzzz. Basically I want a lower profile than the dominess of the MS.

[AviarX]

sort of like a more stable Stingray?

i don't get the interest in speed. as long as the disc is accurate and has travel -- who cares?

[ck34]

If you can find them, the Moray was the stable version of the Stingray and comes close to the charateristics you are looking for. Not sure it's even made in DX anymore.

[mikeP]

sort of like a more stable Stingray?

i don't get the interest in speed. as long as the disc is accurate and has travel -- who cares?

I guess I'm not so much talking about speed, but rather ease of motion. I want a disc that slides through the air rather than dragging through it(big bead). This is also very helpful for low ceiling shots. A disc has to have a certain speed and glide to go straight for 300' less than 8' off the ground.

[circle_2]

I'm guessing you all want a new out of the box disc to do all this! Yup, me too!!
A perfectly beat up Tee Bird (DX/old-KC) is such a disc...a long Roc. The sucky part is that by the time you get them to this minimum-fade-point; they get lost...

[gokayaksteven]

also Dave-- i know this would probably not happen, but what about a special run of dx orion lfs? that would be close to a perfect driver, imho

[citysmasher]

I'm guessing you all want a new out of the box disc to do all this! Yup, me too!!
A perfectly beat up Tee Bird (DX/old-KC) is such a disc...a long Roc. The sucky part is that by the time you get them to this minimum-fade-point; they get lost...

The long Roc is the Star Valk...hands down. Nearly dead straight and long with almost zero fade. Will tolerate a mild wind, and breaks in into a slight turnover disc.

Star Valk is the the broken in DX Teebird (blasphemy).

Please, don't believe me. I like being the only one.

[circle_2]

Star Valk outta the box is a long Roc? Or is there some seasoning required? Can you rip into it like a Tee Bird?

Hey Dave, sorry to hijack your thread...again. Can you comment on disc-seasoning in your experience...what's the oldest disc you carry? Are there certain discs you've seen evolve the most over the years?

[citysmasher]

Star Valk outta the box is a long Roc? Or is there some seasoning required? Can you rip into it like a Tee Bird?

For me, it is just like a DX Teebird.

New--heysers, fades, and mild headwinds. Not short.
Beat-Dead straight, very long
More Beat-turnovers, can be thrown with height over things and still go far (more nose up), flies and glides like a Sidwinder but flexes better so it is more consistent.

Of course, getting from new to really beat may take a year. I have traded for beat ones. I have never beat one in myself.

The disc is also very forgiving to speed, kind of like a Roc. When beat it can be thrown off speed, and can be ripped u until the point it is very beat. It is also about the same speed in the air, maybe just a level faster.

It also has a small wing and is easy to grip.

It is a SOLF without the fade.

I throw 400' consistently in the cold air (I have a tape measured marked field). More like 450'-475' in the summer air.

[davei]

Dave, How many Team members still throw Cobras? Do you think the greatness of the cobra as a go-to midrange disc has been forgotten?

I think only Gregg Hosfeld still throws Cobras. Stan McDaniel and Phil Arthur might throw them too.

[davei]

Star Valk outta the box is a long Roc? Or is there some seasoning required? Can you rip into it like a Tee Bird?

Hey Dave, sorry to hijack your thread...again. Can you comment on disc-seasoning in your experience...what's the oldest disc you carry? Are there certain discs you've seen evolve the most over the years?

The oldest disc in my bag is a Champion Viking. The oldest might have been my roller which I do season, but I have a habit of losing my rollers.

As far as seasoning goes, I like to season putters, mid ranges, and rollers. Not drivers. I like my drivers to be in new like condition, even if they are used.

I am not sure what you are asking about disc evolution, but certainly there has been very little evolution with putters and mid ranges since the Aviar and the Roc and Shark. Drivers, on the other hand, are still evolving.

If you are talking about the evolution of a single disc, I would probably say the Aviar again in it's many incarnations. After 23 years, and all the retools and variations, it's still an Aviar.