Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[AviarX]

if you were talking about the QJLS -- that would be Q plastic -- the JLS would be regular Millenium plastic. from what i gather, until Sirius (similar to Star) came out there was only Millenium (similar to Innova Pro) and Quantum/Q (similar to Champion). i hear that the early QMS's were CE plastic??? were all the early Q's CE?

[Discbrat]

[/QUOTE]Original poster here: I was referring to the opaque (non-transluscent) plastic from a few years ago that looks and feels much like star plastic. Not quite as shiny though. Is that regular Millenium?

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Dave, I am curious too about early Millenium plastic. I am carrying a couple of opaque orange QJLS's that have tournament stamps from 2002. Could these be the CE type plastic or were they opaque for another reason? Thanks for you time!!

PS I would love to see INNOVA come out with a special "gummy" line of champion plastic. I just love my gummy Leopard and Monster X.

[davei]

(similar to Champion). i hear that the early QMS's were CE plastic??? were all the early Q's CE?

Q plastic hasn't changed, as far as I recall.

[davei]

Original poster here: I was referring to the opaque (non-transluscent) plastic from a few years ago that looks and feels much like star plastic. Not quite as shiny though. Is that regular Millenium?

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Dave, I am curious too about early Millenium plastic. I am carrying a couple of opaque orange QJLS's that have tournament stamps from 2002. Could these be the CE type plastic or were they opaque for another reason? Thanks for you time!!

PS I would love to see INNOVA come out with a special "gummy" line of champion plastic. I just love my gummy Leopard and Monster X.

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I am at a loss about opaque Q. Translucent Q could just be heavier weights, but opaque sounds like regular Millenium or Sirius type plastic.

[Boneman]

Hi Dave. I'm wondering of the Star Gator, and Star Eagle are going to make it to retailers before Christmas? I'm making my Christmas list and would love to add a couple of these to it ... if they are around.
Will these be available first at discgolfvalues or zonedriven?

[quickdisc]

I really need a 167 - 169 Star Whippet please !!!!!!!!

Hopefully in 2007 ?

[Nao]

Dave,

Curious about the Star Stingray? I've have two very different looking discs claiming to be Stingrays. One is very flat across the top and is stamped Ontario, CA and the other is very domey on top and the bottom stamp does not indicate where it was made. Although both are Star, the plastic does not feel the same, the Ontario is gummier/grippier. Is this a run thing or are there two molds?

[davei]

Dave,

Curious about the Star Stingray? I've have two very different looking discs claiming to be Stingrays. One is very flat across the top and is stamped Ontario, CA and the other is very domey on top and the bottom stamp does not indicate where it was made. Although both are Star, the plastic does not feel the same, the Ontario is gummier/grippier. Is this a run thing or are there two molds?

The original Stingray mold has been repaired and is now used for all Stingrays. Before the repair, we used the Ontario mold for the Star, as the San Marino mold wouldn't work. The new mold is the San Marino type.

[davei]

Hi Dave. I'm wondering of the Star Gator, and Star Eagle are going to make it to retailers before Christmas? I'm making my Christmas list and would love to add a couple of these to it ... if they are around.
Will these be available first at discgolfvalues or zonedriven?

I was told here that the Star Gator will be available in about a week. The Star Eagle is still running so it will take a week or so after that.

[Sharky]

Interesting, would you compare the flights ?

[Nao]

Interesting, would you compare the flights ?

They both fly like Stingrays, but I find the Ontario Mold (Flat Top) to be faster, the other seems to float more. I like the Ontario mold because it feels more like a flat top roc in my hand, which I am used to. Both myself and a friend find the Ontario mold makes for a better roller disc.

Dave,
Does this mean that all future Star Stingray will be the San Marino and not the Ontario mold?

[davei]

They both fly like Stingrays, but I find the Ontario Mold (Flat Top) to be faster, the other seems to float more. I like the Ontario mold because it feels more like a flat top roc in my hand, which I am used to. Both myself and a friend find the Ontario mold makes for a better roller disc.

Dave,
Does this mean that all future Star Stingray will be the San Marino and not the Ontario mold?

Yes, the flattop (Ontario) was just a stopgap measure. Although the retooled mold will not say San Marino, it is the same.

[pterodactyl]

Hey Dave, way to beat Geoff Lissaman at the SoCal Championships!!!

[axis]

Hi Dave,
We have the speed rating of how fast a disc WILL go, but is there a rating of how fast it NEEDS to go to fly properly? I guess it would be the speed at the hit. I'll call it muzzle velocity. An anology would be a Cessna 150 needing 63MPH at takeoff or a Boeing 737 needing 150MPH at takeoff.
So a Stingray might not to have the same muzzle velocity as a Firebird. Is there a guide about this anywhere for people without big arms?
Thanks,
Axis

[greenbeard]

Dave,
Is the Star Max coming into standard production? If so, is there a timeline? Thanks.

I might have missed this question, but any plans for a slew of discs in gummy plastic? I really like the soft stuff.

[luckyg71]

Any plans on a Moray in any plastic???

[davei]

Hi Dave,
We have the speed rating of how fast a disc WILL go, but is there a rating of how fast it NEEDS to go to fly properly? I guess it would be the speed at the hit. I'll call it muzzle velocity. An anology would be a Cessna 150 needing 63MPH at takeoff or a Boeing 737 needing 150MPH at takeoff.
So a Stingray might not to have the same muzzle velocity as a Firebird. Is there a guide about this anywhere for people without big arms?
Thanks,
Axis

I used to have an "operating range" for our discs, but the rest of the staff thought it was too hard to understand. We instead sometimes indicated that some discs were better for beginners or were only for "experienced" players or something like that. You are definitely right about the operating speed for discs. The flight descriptions we give are predicated on someone being able to throw 300 ft. But even the ability to throw 300 ft won't get some of the higher speed discs to work properly. People who are only able to throw 280 ft will find all of our drivers to be stable or overstable.

[davei]

I might have missed this question, but any plans for a slew of discs in gummy plastic? I really like the soft stuff.

We are going to run some discs in gummy or at least gummier than we had been doing. Rhynos and Spiders were two we did already.

[davei]

Any plans on a Moray in any plastic???

Not at this time.

[davei]

Any plans on a Moray in any plastic???

The Sentinel from Millenium is the closest disc still available.

[greenbeard]

Not at this time.

Doh, bad quote. This was in reply to the gummy question earlier

Any drivers? I throw a clear gummy velocity (shaddap) alot, and it's waaaaaaaaaay different from the regular stiff champ style ching velocities (finished straight every time.). A gummy monster that I have I am afraid to throw very much, because it was a purple that has turned clear long ago and is a prime candidate for getting lost. I'd love to get a gummy orc or wraith as well.

Also, it seems the gummy stuff is very durable as well. Any notes on its toughness/durability that would keep it from getting runs in the major molds?

[davei]

Also, it seems the gummy stuff is very durable as well. Any notes on its toughness/durability that would keep it from getting runs in the major molds?

Gummy stuff is very hard to mold consistently in drivers. Usually the gummy stuff produces understable discs, but sometimes, it's just the opposite. The reject rate is very high and so is the cycle time. On the other hand, we have had some success with Rhynos, Sharks, MSs, and Spiders. We have done Valyries, Aviars, Rocs, (150gm), and TeeBirds, but they were pretty iffy.

[davidbihl]

Hey Dave

Have you ever tried doing drivers out of the white KC plastic used for the ROC and Aviar? How did they turn out? Wonder what a Teebird TL or a Wraith in that stiff plastic would be like.
Thanks
David Bihl

[colin-evans]

Wonder what a Teebird TL or a Wraith in that stiff plastic would be like.

or leopard

[rizbee]

Gummy stuff is very hard to mold consistently in drivers. Usually the gummy stuff produces understable discs, but sometimes, it's just the opposite. The reject rate is very high and so is the cycle time. On the other hand, we have had some success with Rhynos, Sharks, MSs, and Spiders. We have done Valyries, Aviars, Rocs, (150gm), and TeeBirds, but they were pretty iffy.

I have a 150gm Sidewinder that I would call gummy, and I love that disc. If gummy is easier in lower weights and if it makes discs less stable, I would love to see more gummy. I don't know if my issue is with slow armspeed or decreased snap, but I am unable to throw (effectively) many of the Innova drivers because they behave too over-stabley (new word?).

[billr]

Hey Dave

Have you ever tried doing drivers out of the white KC plastic used for the ROC and Aviar? How did they turn out? Wonder what a Teebird TL or a Wraith in that stiff plastic would be like.
Thanks
David Bihl

Pretty sweet.... i would think. But then again i don't know much about disc making....but i think they would have a good feel in the hand.

[tokyo]

Have you made any regular Champ Wraiths yet?

[ck34]

I think it's still part of the Pro Worlds 2007 fundraising program for a while longer.

[tokyo]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[davei]

Hey Dave

Have you ever tried doing drivers out of the white KC plastic used for the ROC and Aviar? How did they turn out? Wonder what a Teebird TL or a Wraith in that stiff plastic would be like.
Thanks
David Bihl

Yes, we have made KC Whippets in the past. The were too stiff for the PDGA specs. We can't use that for drivers any more.