Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

I was thinking about maybe using the harder ones for approach and staying with the softer ones for putts.

I had considered that very same thing......I have 3-4 of each type, but only have 2 softies in the bag....maybe Ill pull out a hard one or two, and try that...

[jasonc]

maybe Ill pull out a hard one or two, and try that...

Now that's just sick

LOL.....You have been hanging around My Hero too much!

[davei]

robj, the harder JK is not the same as the KC. As far a durability, I think the softer JK is more durable than the harder.

Dave, could you email me? I was trying to send you an email, but I guess your old address isn't active anymore.
robj_email@netzero.net

Dave,

I concur on the durability. I bought 5 of the hard JK's, (unintentionally) , two months ago. Wish I had known what to watch out for. Everyone of them has major gouges from number plates or puckers from the rings on top. The soft ones are also much better here in the great white north. The ones I have need to be placed just right or they spit due to their hardness in the cold. I guess I'll just buy another five.

i have a champion aviar, how can i tell if its a first or second run?

[rhett]

What stamp does it have? If it is from a 2001 tournament or 2002 U.S. Masters or 2002 Worlds, then it is a first run.

[davei]

Not sure, but one test is the bounce test. If it hits the ground with a thud instead of a bounce, it's the latest run. The CE Aviars were the previous run and were stiffer and bouncier.

Dave,

I just learned through Zonedriven's site you've got Champion Whippet X's out now, what's your take on them, wayyy overstable or??

[davei]

I only have preliminary test data, but they are pretty overstable, but not too much. I believe Rhett had said that the Candy Vipers were more overstable. They reminded me of a shorter version of the Monster.

[Sharky]

Are the champion stingrays out yet?

[atreau3]

Hey, dont mean to jump in here, but they are available on the zone driven web site, https://www.zonedriven.com/catalog/default.php

Erick

[davei]

Sharky, the Champion Stingrays are out. Not all retailers know about them yet, but they will soon, as we sent a mailing out last week.

[rhett]

I haven't thrown a Champion Whippet, but that CE Viper is so sick overstable that I don't believe anything more overstabel would be usable.

But Dave, if you comp me a couple of CE Whippets and CE Stingrays, I'll be glad to post a review.

[nbond]

Dave, you may have answered this before but some guy is selling first run valks on ebay that are not red or blue. What colors of first runs exist? Is this guy trying to pull a fast one?

[davei]

He may not be selling candy valks. They may be SE or DX. If he is selling candy valks, and they are not red or blueberry, I wouldn't get them.

[nbond]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=20851

Here take a look. I think that he is a being dishonest.

[jefferson]

no [*****]

[moolie]

While I do not know about this Valk, I do know about the seller. I have bought some stuff from him before (not on E-bay) that you can not find anywhere. Last fall I purchased a Red, a clear and an orange (yes orange and I am 1000% sure it is a 2001) 2001 CE Roc's . He is a straight shooter with great connections.

[nbond]

orange 2001 ce roc? So, do you think that is a 1st run valk? I think that he is trying to rip trusting people off. I would like to hear Dave's opinion on this.

[moolie]

Nathan

I am a Roc junkie and have never owned a Valk that I was not going to sell at a later time so I am not sure about the disc. I do know this seller is a reputable TD and promoter and would have zero to gain from trying to make an extra $30.00 off some rube on e-bay by lying about the disc. Dave is obviously the poobah of all thing Innova so he would know much better than I, but I do know the seller has some insanely rare goodies in his collection.

[rhett]

That seller is just about the most trustworthy guy out there. I would tell you his name, but it's pretty obvious from his eBay handle.

I know for fact that there were a couple of red CE Rocs in 2001, so Orange is totally believable. There were also some clears.

I never heard of clear/white CE Valks before, but coming from this guy I 100% believe it is legit. Maybe I'll bid on it.

Also, I wouldn't count on Dave Dunipace to be the definitive answer. Dave is the mad scientist that is always coming up with new discs and plastic blends, trying to get the perfect disc to run trouble free. He doesn't even try to remember what all he runs or in what colors. Not a slight on Dave, but he just isn't a collector.

[ozdisc]

Yes it was an orange CE Roc from 2001. I had two. They came from the same place as the CE Valk's in question. As I said in my email to you I also had many 1st run CE Valk's in blue, grey, and purple's. Just ask around, it is no secret. And they just happened to be custom stamped.

Moolie is correct when he says I have nothing to gain from saying they are 1st runs if they are not. I am a full time TD in Texas and have the most successful disc golf tour in the country. In 2004 I have major sponsorship from Budweiser and thousands of players that know and trust me. In the last 3 years I have donated over $24,000 to the Lance Armstrong Foundation from the tour.

If you don't trust me then fine, just don't bid on the disc. If the person that buys it does not think it is a 1st run I will refund the money, no questions asked.

Merry Christmas to the guys from Innova.

[moolie]

And if you ever want to get rid of that other orange one Chris...

if you or anyone else has a orange or red '01, i will trade you my left nut straight up.... seriously

[davei]

Chris, sorry, I guess I don't remember any other colors other than the opaque red and blueberry. If you say you have some orange, I believe you. You are a stand up guy. The first run would also have the sharp flashing on the edge and be among the stiffest of the CE Valks.

[davei]

Just to be clear on the first run. I believe they were first released at the So Cal Championships in Oct of 2000, as far as I remember. Rhett should know for sure as the custom stamp had the date. The second run was available for the Memorial in 2001. They were the flat ones with the softer plastic.

[ozdisc]

Hi Dave. Thanks to all the guys that have had nice words to say about me. The few emails I have received from people that think I am lying should question your own motives. Please read the above posts including mine.

Sorry to my friends at Innova if anyone has called questioning the CE Valkyrie I have on ebay. I will not be selling the remaining five I have. I will use them as very cool CTP's at my next event. Five people will be very happy.

Dave if you are wondering I got the two orange CE Rocs and these CE Valks from the crazy bald guy in Rock Hill (not Harold). The 1st run CE Valks I had that were blue, purple, grey etc all came from the east coast. They were for the San Marcos Open I ran in early November of 2000. I have lots of guys in Texas that have them all from me and some with my Kangaroo stamp which was done by mistake.

Thanks again. Check out my profile photo of me and Lance Armstrong.

[esalazar]

I bought a ce valk at 2001 national doubles (its blue) how can I detrmine what run it is . also have another one with sp written on it .. THANKS #21173