Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[mbohn]

Dave, any chance of a star roc ever being produced?

[widiscgolf]

The star roc is reserved for the USDGC.

[mbohn]

Thanks

[bschweberger]

Hey Dave, just gots to say WOW, TThe Star Orc is awesome, Flies like a first run Champ Orc with more glide. It is going right into the bag for CharloTTe this weekend and USDGC....it is that predictable. Thanks.

Tried the Max yesterday as well.....best description is definitel a faster Firebird X. BUT it is definitely not the same flight for Hook Thumbers. It is way understable for my overhand. I think the hook on the edge of the Firebird is all the difference.
The Max will definitely fill in a space in my bag, but not until after USDGC.
Thanks again Dave
C Ya in 4 days
Schweb

[AviarX]

Hi Dave, Fred Salaz just received the InnColor discs for the KY States Doubles event this Saturday and the Singles event this Sunday at Idlewild. half are Star TeeRex's (bottom says STR) and half are SB Wraiths. (bottom says SBWR). are these a special blend or are they Star and "SWR" would be too easily confused with Sidewinders?

The InnColor discs are really sweet -- this year is Idlewild hole 2 (long pin).

i don't see them up yet in the InnColor gallery, but ^ here ^ is what they look like if anyone is interested.

for more info on the disc or event, click here

[jaymo]

Hey Schweb...

You say the Star Orcs are like the 1st run champ orcs? I had a few of those but my supply was starting to dwindle so I tried to get into the wraith, but still love my Orcs. If you say the Stars are like the first run champs... I am ALL OVER THAT!

cheers

[mf100forever]

Sorry that was to read " I am not a Rock expert" I have many ROC's, Can't say how many some one will tell my Wife.

, I have the same problem!!

[mf100forever]

I have a few rock's but an expert.

The San Marino and Ontario Have the same Big Bird Stamp both have two rings around the stamp.the Rancho has a similar big bird stamp except the rings are broken not compelete circles. that is in DX Plastic

Pix´s of the "big birds", first San Marino:
http://www.seeroccity.com/pick.cgi?gallery=ne for example picture 76 on the left side
Ontario:
http://www.seeroccity.com/pick.cgi?gallery=nw for example picture 157 on the left side
Rancho
http://www.seeroccity.com/pick.cgi?gallery=se for example picture 210 on the left side

[davei]

Hey Dave, just gots to say WOW, TThe Star Orc is awesome, Flies like a first run Champ Orc with more glide. It is going right into the bag for CharloTTe this weekend and USDGC....it is that predictable. Thanks.

Tried the Max yesterday as well.....best description is definitel a faster Firebird X. BUT it is definitely not the same flight for Hook Thumbers. It is way understable for my overhand. I think the hook on the edge of the Firebird is all the difference.
The Max will definitely fill in a space in my bag, but not until after USDGC.
Thanks again Dave
C Ya in 4 days
Schweb

Hey Brian, I noticed the UD difference too. The Firebird turns slower. I like the fast travel and fast flip for #4 USDGC. Your UD is too good to switch. Mine isn't. See ya Monday.

[davei]

Hi Dave, Fred Salaz just received the InnColor discs for the KY States Doubles event this Saturday and the Singles event this Sunday at Idlewild. half are Star TeeRex's (bottom says STR) and half are SB Wraiths. (bottom says SBWR). are these a special blend or are they Star and "SWR" would be too easily confused with Sidewinders?

SWR and SBWR are the same. SBWR were the first run. It wasn't done for the confusion thing, but funny you mention that. Last year at the USDGC I was throwing a sidearm drive on the #5 lake hole tee shot. I thought I had a SBWR and I actually had a SBSW. Both white. The Sidewinder is at the bottom of the lake now.

[AviarX]

LOL

... during the USDGC too though

ouch .

[quickdisc]

Hey Dave ,

Is it possible to make Star Plastic in UV or Glow material ?

My apologies if you already answered this.

[davei]

Hey Dave ,

Is it possible to make Star Plastic in UV or Glow material ?

My apologies if you already answered this.

It's possible, but the opaque nature of the Star plastic would mask the effects. It's easy to do glow Champion on the other hand.

[mikeP]

In the last few monthes I've really enjoyed trying all my old favorite Innova discs out in the new Star plastic. I play around lots of gator infested water holes, so I've replaced most of my favorite discs many times over. I've noticed that the Star plastic in most discs (Teebird and Wraiths in particular) varies from a stiff, slicker plastic that allows a little light through, to a softer, grippier plastic that allows almost no light through, and all combinations in between. I find the stiffer plastic to be far more durable and fly more stable (holding the line better), even when new. I hope that Star plastic stays available in this stiffer form for those of us who prefer them. Is the variation intentional, or should we expect to see Star plastic become more universal?

[Discbrat]

Dave, Thanks for all the great plastic. With the success of Star plastic how are the sales of Champion plastic holding up? I am curious if Champion plastic will be phazed out?

[davei]

In the last few monthes I've really enjoyed trying all my old favorite Innova discs out in the new Star plastic. I play around lots of gator infested water holes, so I've replaced most of my favorite discs many times over. I've noticed that the Star plastic in most discs (Teebird and Wraiths in particular) varies from a stiff, slicker plastic that allows a little light through, to a softer, grippier plastic that allows almost no light through, and all combinations in between. I find the stiffer plastic to be far more durable and fly more stable (holding the line better), even when new. I hope that Star plastic stays available in this stiffer form for those of us who prefer them. Is the variation intentional, or should we expect to see Star plastic become more universal?

Good observation. The variation is intentional. I wish we could do just one mix type and please everyone, but we can't. Some people like the stiffer more stable stuff and some people like the softer grippier less stable stuff. Also the plastic varies with weight and disc type. Some discs are only available in a very narrow range of weight, but even in that narrow range we can make them stiffer or softer.

[davei]

Dave, Thanks for all the great plastic. With the success of Star plastic how are the sales of Champion plastic holding up? I am curious if Champion plastic will be phazed out?

I thought it might originally, but there is no sign that it will be phased out. Although most people like the added grip of the Star plastic, some people still prefer the Champion over the Star. Add to that the lower cost, and I think it will be around for a long time.

[tokyo]

Hey Dave whats the most stable colors in the star line or does it vary disc to disc?

[discette]

Dave is currently in Rock Hill for the USDGC. He might not have a lot of extra time to check in here this week.

[mikeP]

Hey Dave whats the most stable colors in the star line or does it vary disc to disc?

I'm not Dave, but I've thrown many different Star molds and individual discs and I have found that the stiffer the plastic the more stable/overstable the disc will be.

[the_beastmaster]

I'm not Dave, but I've thrown many different Star molds and individual discs and I have found that the stiffer the plastic the more stable/overstable the disc will be.

I also keep hearing (and have noticed somewhat) that dark blue and dark red are the most stable colors. But yeah, a stiffer white or yellow should beat out a softer red or blue for overstability.

[cromwell]

Hey Dave, question on the skeeters. I picked one up from Brinster this past weekend at Animalfest and he told me this was supposed to be a "neutral" flier.... which jives with everything I have since read about the DX Skeeters. But the disc I have a is a total pig! all the thing wants to do is hyzer on me. I usually touch 400' with a pro wraith, and throwing the skeeter along with a new ESP Torque (which discraft rates as a stability rating of 2), I can get the Torque to ride a straight line for MUCH longer than my Skeeter before the disc hyzers out. Thrown anhyzer, I also get far less left-to-right (RHBH) action with the Skeeter since it pulls itself out of the turn seemingly as soon as it can.

I heard rumors of Skeeters coming out in Star plastic which A)i understand are supposed to only be in CFR runs right now and B)are supposedly also going to be much more overstable than their DX counterparts. My question is... despite the fact that my disc has the normal DX "first run" stamp on it, is it possible the one I have is a Star? It certainly FEELS like star plastic anyway, but from what I understand you guys have been retooling the DX plastic as well so I'm not sure if my hands are getting fooled.

I actually have a second question... is it true the original name for the Skeeter was going to be the Hobbit? Someone on another forum told me that, and that would make sense since my disc has "HOB" written on the bottom. Just wondering And apologies if this may have been answered earlier, this thread's kind of long to go hunting too far back hehe.

I also have a first run skeeter with a scratched out HOB on the bottom, 174gm, and i would say that "neutral" is a pretty good discription. It almost flies like a fast putter, not much fade.

[discette]

I love my Skeeter. It replaced my putter and all my midranges. I was using the Goblin for approaches but the Skeeter has more range. I carried a Star Coyote for slight turnovers and straight upshots and a DX Roc for hyzer approaches or upshots with a hard fade at the end of the flight. The Skeeter replaces them all. I can throw it hyzer and it stays hyzer, or I can throw it dead straight. It also makes a wonderful turnover disc for all ranges. The Skeeter is probably the best controlled turnover disc I own.

I am currently throwing the Star Skeeter. For me, it is not more stable than the DX, if anything, I feel it is more neutral. I am throwing max weight. My Star Skeeter tends to land flat no matter what type of flight it has. The Goblin had more fade and much less glide for me.

BTW, So Cal Championships will have the CFR Star Skeeters available in a few days. Mark at discgolfvalues.com has graciously agreed to list them on his site.

[AviarX]

Suzette, have you thrown the QMS, and if so, how does the Skeeter compare?

[cromwell]

so apparently i have the only Overstable skeeter ever made?

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...and you threw it??? You THREW a Hobbit?? [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[discette]

Suzette, have you thrown the QMS, and if so, how does the Skeeter compare?

This is the Ask Dave thread, the Ask Discette thread is over at So Cal Disc Golf.

I just couldn't resist talking about the Skeeter as I really do love this disc. I know a few ladies around here that have switched to the Skeeter as well. They are only using it for upshots though, not for putting.

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Daves gone golfin' in SC...

[jparmley]

Daves gone golfin' in SC...

Rough Life [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]