Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 21

davei · Dec 02 2003, 08:10 PM

Big Easy, I don't know. You might have a goof. As far as I know the weight limit is 180.1. You can return it.

davei · Dec 02 2003, 08:13 PM

James, we have made both types of Champion Sharks. The Champion Shark is one of our more overstable mid ranges. The Gator is the most overstable. In the next longest catagory, it is the Champion Viper.

davei · Dec 02 2003, 08:16 PM

We will be producing SE/KC type discs as soon as we can. Hopefully by January, but it depends on how long it takes to get the new run of plastic.

Dec 02 2003, 08:46 PM

dave, are you still producing the dx ram, if so i think its just a bit more stable than a gator

moolie · Dec 02 2003, 09:36 PM

Dave

I am sure you are sick of answering this question but, if you are working with SE/KC plastic again will there be another Super Roc anytime soon?

dannyreeves · Dec 03 2003, 01:29 AM

I heard that they were out of this kind of plastic and couldn't get anymore.

davei · Dec 03 2003, 07:42 AM

Paul, we are still producing the DX Ram X in limited quantities. It is definitely more overstable than the Gator.

davei · Dec 03 2003, 07:44 AM

Moolie, I am definitely in favor of a super roc, but not everyone is here. I think it will happen, but not sure.

davei · Dec 03 2003, 07:45 AM

Kid Roc, we are out of the plastic, but are in the process of getting more from a different distributor. Hopefully soon.

james_mccaine · Dec 03 2003, 09:19 AM

Dave, I've never seen the stiff candy sharks. Do you know if they have been made recently and is there an official distinction/designation one uses when ordering these to differentiate between the two types?

Dec 03 2003, 10:12 AM

davei:

Is this new plastic the exact same as the original SE/KC material? Or just like the new Pro Line/Champion plastic. People want the OLD school material. Let us know. Thanks.

davei · Dec 03 2003, 11:58 AM

James, I don't know if they are stiff or just stiffer. The heavier candy discs tend to be the stiffer.

davei · Dec 03 2003, 12:02 PM

IDG, the plastic hasn't been recieve yet, so I can't tell you if it's identical or not, but we are shooting for the same opaque white stiff grippy stuff we used for KC/SE and Millennium. This stuff is not as durable as candy, but a lot of people like the grip.

rhett · Dec 03 2003, 01:42 PM

If you like the Ram, I'm telling you that you NEED to get one of the CFR Vipers. I'm serious.

Dec 03 2003, 03:36 PM

Dave
Any chance the Beast will ever mold a true 150 class in candy?

widiscgolf · Dec 03 2003, 07:52 PM

Dave:

Can you explain what were the true 1st run Champion Edition Plastic were? Like were they all candy apple red, etc... For all the Old school CE. Can you shed some light on this please?

DG

davei · Dec 03 2003, 08:28 PM

Bob, the Beast can't be made at 150 in candy without altering the flight characteristic. Mid fifties start to mold poorly.

davei · Dec 03 2003, 08:35 PM

josh, I'm not sure I understand the question. The first pure candy discs were probably the clear candy TeeBirds at the Michigan Worlds. The first runs were a mixture of opaque reds and some translucent and transparent blues.

Dec 04 2003, 11:36 AM

Dave,
Thanks, I got my wife a 158g but can't find her any backups even close.

gokayaksteven · Dec 04 2003, 03:01 PM

dave--i just got 3 new proline rhinos--when i got around to checking them out at home [i mail-ordered] i saw that 2 are nice and soft and grippy. the other was slicker and stiffer. they are the same weight and are all white. were there 2 diffirent types as far as the new pro-line rhinos go? i expected them all to be soft, like the old SEs.

circle_2 · Dec 04 2003, 03:55 PM

A b'tweener Rhyno 'might' be useful...though it's not what you ordered.

davei · Dec 04 2003, 06:37 PM

steven, if that is not what you wanted you should return it to the dealer. The dealer can return it to us. It's possible it was mixed, molded, stamped or boxed incorrectly. We are running them right now and they are soft and rubbery. Sorry for the problem.

Dec 04 2003, 07:40 PM

can someone explain what the SE plastic is? ive read on the innova site about the differences in plastic and everything, but i am definitely interested in learning more about the characteristics of different plastics. i know the dx, and then candy, which is apparently now champion, but i dont recall seeing anything about SE.

Dec 04 2003, 07:52 PM

will there be a disc like the Epic made by anyone else other than aerobie? Id love to see one in candy plastic. I know there kinda of a silly disc, but they are sooo sweet for thumbers.

davei · Dec 04 2003, 08:02 PM

The SE is Special Edition and where we put discs that don't have any other catagory. The plastic may be anything except DX.

circle_2 · Dec 04 2003, 08:02 PM

IMO... In the mid-late 90s, Millenium used a great type of grippy plastic in their Polaris discs which seemed very similar to what Innova then began to use in their Ken Climo Pro Edition line = KC Pro. Next, after the KC line, timewise, were the Special Edition discs, the SE Tee Bird TL, SE Leopard, and the Super Roc. Many people, including myself, felt that this was the best feeling plastic (at the time...maybe ever?), because it offered a great grip and increased durability over the DX plastic...the only other choice in the Innova line (at that time).
Millenium is a type of subsidiary of Innova, sharing some disc molds together...and those Polaris LS's and LF's were sweet!

Dec 04 2003, 08:28 PM

it seems that the champion discs tend to bounce more when they land, is that common, or is it just me? just trying to figure out the best type of plastic to use for certain discs, etc..seems like dx for approach discs would be better if that really is the case, right?

1967 · Dec 04 2003, 10:30 PM

Dave, Innova came out with a ce aviar in 01,02 but most call them frist run I see. Was their only one run with ce but a lot of stamps or a lot of runs? Can you tell me how many stamp are out their ?thanks CHASH

Dec 05 2003, 02:14 AM

Hey, I got to toss around a candy Roc the Other day with Discette a bit, nice would be an understatement, but NICE.

speaking of epics- I would love to see a new disc come out- the Bullet, like the epic, but harder, with less attempt at stability. Just a modified Throwing Star in terms of flight, with only one small opening/rim for tommies and thumbers. The Great thing about the epic is it's flight on tommies and thumbers. I haven't quite figured it out yet, but I can throw mine about 500 one out of three or four times- and it travels that distance way way up there- imagine if Innova made a specialized disc for that flight!

davei · Dec 05 2003, 07:29 AM

Candy discs do bounce more than DX. They skip more too. The exception is the second run Champion Aviar which has very little bounce.

Dec 02 2003, 08:10 PM	#601
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Big Easy, I don't know. You might have a goof. As far as I know the weight limit is 180.1. You can return it. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 02 2003, 08:13 PM	#602
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D James, we have made both types of Champion Sharks. The Champion Shark is one of our more overstable mid ranges. The Gator is the most overstable. In the next longest catagory, it is the Champion Viper. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 02 2003, 08:16 PM	#603
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D We will be producing SE/KC type discs as soon as we can. Hopefully by January, but it depends on how long it takes to get the new run of plastic. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 02 2003, 08:46 PM	#604
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D dave, are you still producing the dx ram, if so i think its just a bit more stable than a gator

Dec 02 2003, 09:36 PM	#605
moolie Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 383	Re: Question for Dave D Dave I am sure you are sick of answering this question but, if you are working with SE/KC plastic again will there be another Super Roc anytime soon? __________________ Team Par 72 http://www.par72discgolf.com/_Tim+Warner.html

Dec 03 2003, 01:29 AM	#606
dannyreeves Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,313	Re: Question for Dave D I heard that they were out of this kind of plastic and couldn't get anymore.

Dec 03 2003, 07:42 AM	#607
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Paul, we are still producing the DX Ram X in limited quantities. It is definitely more overstable than the Gator. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 03 2003, 07:44 AM	#608
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Moolie, I am definitely in favor of a super roc, but not everyone is here. I think it will happen, but not sure. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 03 2003, 07:45 AM	#609
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Kid Roc, we are out of the plastic, but are in the process of getting more from a different distributor. Hopefully soon. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 03 2003, 09:19 AM	#610
james_mccaine PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 4,404	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I've never seen the stiff candy sharks. Do you know if they have been made recently and is there an official distinction/designation one uses when ordering these to differentiate between the two types?

Dec 03 2003, 10:12 AM	#611
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D davei: Is this new plastic the exact same as the original SE/KC material? Or just like the new Pro Line/Champion plastic. People want the OLD school material. Let us know. Thanks.

Dec 03 2003, 11:58 AM	#612
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D James, I don't know if they are stiff or just stiffer. The heavier candy discs tend to be the stiffer. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 03 2003, 12:02 PM	#613
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D IDG, the plastic hasn't been recieve yet, so I can't tell you if it's identical or not, but we are shooting for the same opaque white stiff grippy stuff we used for KC/SE and Millennium. This stuff is not as durable as candy, but a lot of people like the grip. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 03 2003, 01:42 PM	#614
rhett PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ignoramusville Posts: 7,032	Re: Question for Dave D If you like the Ram, I'm telling you that you NEED to get one of the CFR Vipers. I'm serious.

Dec 03 2003, 03:36 PM	#615
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave Any chance the Beast will ever mold a true 150 class in candy?

Dec 03 2003, 07:52 PM	#616
widiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Bend, WI Posts: 2,144	OLD SCHOOL CHAMPION EDITION? FOR DAVE D Dave: Can you explain what were the true 1st run Champion Edition Plastic were? Like were they all candy apple red, etc... For all the Old school CE. Can you shed some light on this please? DG __________________ www.widye.com www.ozdgc.com www.gldgc.com

Dec 03 2003, 08:28 PM	#617
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Bob, the Beast can't be made at 150 in candy without altering the flight characteristic. Mid fifties start to mold poorly. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 03 2003, 08:35 PM	#618
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: OLD SCHOOL CHAMPION EDITION? FOR DAVE D josh, I'm not sure I understand the question. The first pure candy discs were probably the clear candy TeeBirds at the Michigan Worlds. The first runs were a mixture of opaque reds and some translucent and transparent blues. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 04 2003, 11:36 AM	#619
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, Thanks, I got my wife a 158g but can't find her any backups even close.

Dec 04 2003, 03:01 PM	#620
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Re: Question for Dave D dave--i just got 3 new proline rhinos--when i got around to checking them out at home [i mail-ordered] i saw that 2 are nice and soft and grippy. the other was slicker and stiffer. they are the same weight and are all white. were there 2 diffirent types as far as the new pro-line rhinos go? i expected them all to be soft, like the old SEs.

Dec 04 2003, 03:55 PM	#621
circle_2 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lawrence, Kansas Posts: 2,687	Re: Question for Dave D A b'tweener Rhyno 'might' be useful...though it's not what you ordered.

Dec 04 2003, 06:37 PM	#622
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D steven, if that is not what you wanted you should return it to the dealer. The dealer can return it to us. It's possible it was mixed, molded, stamped or boxed incorrectly. We are running them right now and they are soft and rubbery. Sorry for the problem. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 04 2003, 07:40 PM	#623
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D can someone explain what the SE plastic is? ive read on the innova site about the differences in plastic and everything, but i am definitely interested in learning more about the characteristics of different plastics. i know the dx, and then candy, which is apparently now champion, but i dont recall seeing anything about SE.

Dec 04 2003, 07:52 PM	#624
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D will there be a disc like the Epic made by anyone else other than aerobie? Id love to see one in candy plastic. I know there kinda of a silly disc, but they are sooo sweet for thumbers.

Dec 04 2003, 08:02 PM	#625
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D The SE is Special Edition and where we put discs that don't have any other catagory. The plastic may be anything except DX. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 04 2003, 08:02 PM	#626
circle_2 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lawrence, Kansas Posts: 2,687	Re: Question for Dave D IMO... In the mid-late 90s, Millenium used a great type of grippy plastic in their Polaris discs which seemed very similar to what Innova then began to use in their Ken Climo Pro Edition line = KC Pro. Next, after the KC line, timewise, were the Special Edition discs, the SE Tee Bird TL, SE Leopard, and the Super Roc. Many people, including myself, felt that this was the best feeling plastic (at the time...maybe ever?), because it offered a great grip and increased durability over the DX plastic...the only other choice in the Innova line (at that time). Millenium is a type of subsidiary of Innova, sharing some disc molds together...and those Polaris LS's and LF's were sweet!

Dec 04 2003, 08:28 PM	#627
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D it seems that the champion discs tend to bounce more when they land, is that common, or is it just me? just trying to figure out the best type of plastic to use for certain discs, etc..seems like dx for approach discs would be better if that really is the case, right?

Dec 04 2003, 10:30 PM	#628
1967 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: snowflake AZ. Posts: 77	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, Innova came out with a ce aviar in 01,02 but most call them frist run I see. Was their only one run with ce but a lot of stamps or a lot of runs? Can you tell me how many stamp are out their ?thanks CHASH

Dec 05 2003, 02:14 AM	#629
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Hey, I got to toss around a candy Roc the Other day with Discette a bit, nice would be an understatement, but NICE. speaking of epics- I would love to see a new disc come out- the Bullet, like the epic, but harder, with less attempt at stability. Just a modified Throwing Star in terms of flight, with only one small opening/rim for tommies and thumbers. The Great thing about the epic is it's flight on tommies and thumbers. I haven't quite figured it out yet, but I can throw mine about 500 one out of three or four times- and it travels that distance way way up there- imagine if Innova made a specialized disc for that flight!

Dec 05 2003, 07:29 AM	#630
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Candy discs do bounce more than DX. They skip more too. The exception is the second run Champion Aviar which has very little bounce. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

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