Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Tony, the San Marino type Cobras are called "Cobra Classics" and are still currently produced periodically. Last run was about a year ago, I believe.

Dave I thought the classics were domier the glows that i have seem flatter. Thanks for the reply

[davei]

tony, the Classics are about the same dome as Stingrays, which is more than the regular Cobras.

[discchucker]

Dave...any chance we will ever see a comeback for the SE plastic(Or something comparable)? I always liked the SE plastic because it was more durable than DX, but easier to break in than Champion. I noticed that most of your competitors are going with a three plastic offering. Such as, Discraft has D, X and Z. Gateway has S, H and Evolution. I know that you have what's called the "Pro Line Plastic", but you only have a hand full of molds that are regularly produced in this plastic. I guess I am just wondering if we will ever see a greater majority of the molds offered in a plastic that is somewhere between DX and Champion plastic.

[davei]

discchucker, we will be producing more of the models in the new Pro Line (SE type plastic) sooner or later. Our supply of that type plastic was interupted, but we are in the process of testing a new supply now.

[colin-evans]

This is good news. Can we get Teebirds first please. Beasts would be great as se plastic. the possibilities are endless. what about se vikings sweet. i just wet myself, gotta clean up

ce

[davei]

We can do several at once, once the plastic comes in. First test plastic was too stiff. Next test in two or three weeks.

SE vikings and beasts would likely become my favorites.

[circle_2]

I'm glad to hear that SEs are returning! That is/was my favorite plastic of all time. Has the right feel for a wide range of weather conditions...and is durable enough to warrant a higher cost than DX. I've tried to love the newer gummier plastics, but have only liked them...though they are highly durable. Having located 4 new old-school SE TLs, I've come to 're'realize what I've been missing...even if they are one of the last runs with some 'candy' added...probably even more durable, eh?
Bring back the Tee Bird TL for the masses Dave! [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[davei]

This will happen as fast as I can, unfortunately, I have to wait for the next plastic, and possibly another. I do see light at the end of the tunnel. [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

[circle_2]

Ya mon!
I've become intrigued with the XD and saw that they will be in line for new plastic. What are your favorite choices for "best putting plastic" and "best approach plastic", Dave?
I'm still a [*****] for a DX Roc, a soft SE Rhyno, and a good ole P&A Aviar... Will there ever be a "Champion P&A", as opposed to a KC BB Aviar??
Thanks,
Doc

[davei]

Doc, my personal choice for both putting and approach is the JK AX. I do carry a Pro Rhyno too. There already is a Champion Aviar from the putter mold.

[gokayaksteven]

great news about se plastic. i have been throwing x-preds and x-wildcats for the last year or so because of the feel and grip i get. candy [z or ce] is too slick for me and therefore i get inconsistant releases. if we could have se vikings and rocs the constant searching would be over.

[pterodactyl]

Dave, did you make any "pink" Panthers?

[davei]

I'm sure we made some for inspector clousseau.

[pterodactyl]

Ya, but what does Kato throw?

Recently I was looking around at some PIAS stores and I found an old stamp Classic roc.

Now this isn't the Classic Roc stamp with ROC written down the middle. It has an the old Innova Logo, and the word ROC is written in bold letters(like the ace stamp) and the word "classic" is in italics above it.

About how old is this classic roc?

[davei]

If it has the word "classic" on it, it is a recent edition of the original model that came out around1985.

dave

were any of the 2nd run valks produced in transluscent plastic. most of the ones i had seen before were opaque, hard plastic in red, blue, yellow, and white. recently i have found some very stable valks that are fairly transluscent. they have a smaller raised dimple, and have an indentation common to most flattops. also, do all the 2nd runs have the sharp flashing. again, most the ones i have seen have it, but one of the transluscents does not. are these transluscents 2nd runs, if not what run are they?

i also noticed that early runs of CE plastic (1st, 2nd, maybe 3rd) have the weight written rather largely in the underside circle, usually the number taking up the entire circle. this puts the writing for the type of disc (i.e. TL, VK, FL) on the outside of the circle. newer runs seem to have all this writing (type and weight) completely inside of the underside circle. do you think this would be a reliable way to differeniate early run CE from late run CE plastic?


thanks

[Blarg]

I have a sort of weird question for you about disc plastic. Is there any way to reshape a disc with heat or a microwave or and iron or the like?

[Blarg]

I have one. I've thrown it hyzer and anyzer and it's just plain
weird. I let a monster arm kid throw it (he'd just thrown a couple of discs OUT of a soccer field from the goal line). For
him, the thing just tracked left in a huge shallow hyzer.
For me (old arm, new to golf discs), I can throw it anyzer and it goes right for about 220 feet and then flips insantly left to vertical and goes STRAIGHT DOWN! Great if you're trying to throw it into a garbage can.
Might be the best place to throw it.

P.S.
On the other hand, there is a rumor that this disc can accomplish, for the first time ever in the history of flying plastic, the legendary 'Weyand Dream Throw.'


Love to hear about it if you've done this.

[davei]

Roy, I believe the 2nd run was halfway between what we're running now and the original opaque. They all had flash, as far as I know. The translucents probably are not 2nd run, but I don't know what run they are from. The large lettering and numbers were early runs, but not everone did it. Small lettering and numbers could also be from early runs.

[davei]

Blarg, yes you can reshape discs with an oven, but it is very easy to ruin them. Plastic has a memory that can be restored sometimes with low heat. Anything else would probably be considered post production modification.

As mentioned in the title, I have a most unusual disc I'd like your thoughts on. I have a CE Valkyrie. It's either a late first run or early second run (I'm not an expert so I can't say for certain). It is (solid) light blue with the gold stamp. Here's what's unusual about it...it GLOWS! It's not nearly as bright as specifically made glow discs, but it does indeed glow and you can definitely see the shadow of your hand behind it in the dark.

Have you ever heard of anything like this? In my (admittedly limited) searches on the net, I've yet to hear of another. Your thoughts/comments would be most appreciated.

Thanks!

[davei]

GSL, It might have been a transition from a recent run of Glow CE Valks we did in October. There are discs that come out just before and just after the discs with acceptable glow amounts are run. We put those in with the regular stock. You probably have one of those.

[circle_2]

Dave...unconfuse me. You stated that there is a "Champion P&A" Aviar that is not a Big Bead, right? I'm not finding this at Innovadiscs.com...and I don't recall seeing one of these at my favorite outlets. Help!
I believe all the Champions, KC and JK, are BBs...?

[davei]

circle 2, I screwed up. The Champion Aviar is the P&A mold with a big bead. The KC and JK are driver big bead. Thank you, and sorry for the confusion.

[circle_2]

Dave, I've got a great idea for a "new disc"!!!
How about a nice gummy (read 'not' super-soft) Aviar in the P&A mold?
(You can call it the Circle 2... [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img])

Dave,

My apologies, I wasn't specific enough. This isn't a new Valkyrie by any means. It's one of the very VERY first CE Valkyries from way back when CE discs were in the early stages. It was the first non-red CE disc I'd ever seen at the time. I've had the disc for around 2-3 years or so (I forget exactly when they first came out). Does any of that matter by any chance? Regardless, thanks for your help.

[davei]

circle 2, circle r would not like that.