Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Dave - can you explain the difference between star and special blend rocs.

The Stars were Rancho type and the Special Blend were Ontario type. The Stars were more overstable than the Special Blends which were straighter. This last part is my personal take, but I didn't throw them much. You could also ask others who have bought and thrown them, and Zonedriven, who was handling them for USDGC.

[Erroneous]

Dave, Has the Tee Rex-X been approved? Also has anyone been throwing them/ whats the word on the flight?

[davei]

Hello Dave!

I was wondering if there was plans to make the Tee-Rex in Champion plastic? I just got an Email from Mark at Discgolfvalues, and it seems they have been made as a test. If so, can you tell us when to look for them (hopefully SOON!), and if they will be regular production or part of the CFR program.

For some reason, the STAR plastic just doesn't feel that great to me when I throw it... when I'm just admiring plastic on the shelves, it's great. But on the course, for me, I can't seem to get comfortable with it. Different strokes for different folks, of course. Please don't leave us Champ, Pro, and new DX lovers out in the cold.

The new DX Wraiths are excellent, by the way! Thanks for keeping us on the bleeding edge of disc tech!

We are not doing a regular run of Champion TeeRex's until we have time. We have run the DX TeeRex. We did do a test run of TeeRexx, but it was a small run, and I believe they were all Star. They didn't seem to be much more stable. There were a few of the proto run TeeRex's designated SS in champion, but no real numbers.

[junnila]

So the Tee-Rex is actually a Tee-Rex-L?

[20460chase]

It is now.

[the_beastmaster]

Dave, you posted recently that DX Tee-Rexes have been run. When might these be available to those of us in the general public?

[davei]

Dave, you posted recently that DX Tee-Rexes have been run. When might these be available to those of us in the general public?

Probably won't be available in our regular line for several months. Maybe by July.

[rangel]

Dave,
First I wanted to say how much I like the Champ Sidewinders.

So much talk about X and L (Teex Rex, StarFire, etc.). I know what X and L stand for, but how do you create one vs. the other.

I'm going to the store soon to pick up a Cobra (or two). The ones in my bag now are all going straight or right (solved one problem but created another). Would I know the difference between an old dx Cobra and a new one. Also, IFFFFF I bought an old dx, a new dx, a pro, and a star today....which one would tail left the most today and then six months from today (given they were all thrown the same).

I do know that you have not created a Star Cobra (yet).

[Boneman]

Dave,
First I wanted to say how much I like the Champ Sidewinders.

So much talk about X and L (Teex Rex, StarFire, etc.). I know what X and L stand for, but how do you create one vs. the other.

I'm going to the store soon to pick up a Cobra (or two). The ones in my bag now are all going straight or right (solved one problem but created another). Would I know the difference between an old dx Cobra and a new one. Also, IFFFFF I bought an old dx, a new dx, a pro, and a star today....which one would tail left the most today and then six months from today (given they were all thrown the same).

I do know that you have not created a Star Cobra (yet).

This made me laugh, and reminded me of another famous question ... What ... is the Airspeed Velocity ...

PS. I'm laughing with ya ... not at ya.

[davei]

Dave,
First I wanted to say how much I like the Champ Sidewinders.

So much talk about X and L (Teex Rex, StarFire, etc.). I know what X and L stand for, but how do you create one vs. the other.

I'm going to the store soon to pick up a Cobra (or two). The ones in my bag now are all going straight or right (solved one problem but created another). Would I know the difference between an old dx Cobra and a new one. Also, IFFFFF I bought an old dx, a new dx, a pro, and a star today....which one would tail left the most today and then six months from today (given they were all thrown the same).

I do know that you have not created a Star Cobra (yet).

I'm not sure what you mean by old DX Cobra. If you mean old San Marino mold vs Ontario mold, I think the Ontario mold would tail off a little more than the San Marino. If you mean old DX material vs new DX, we haven't run the new DX in Cobra, yet but if we did, I would expect the tail to be relatively the same, but the high speed stability to be a little more. Right now, there are only DX, Pro and Champion available. They all start out pretty much the same, but the old DX will beat up faster than the Pro, which will beat up faster than the Champion. The Pro run starts out fairly stable, but will beat up to a turning disc. We will run Star Cobras at some point, and new DX. I expect both of these to be the best of the lot. The new DX is much more durable than the old, grippier and should form up to a good flyer. The Star should be similar to the Champion with a better grip.

[thetruthxl]

Hi Dave,

I just purchased a Star Wraith (non fund-raising edition) from a local disc shoppe and the writing on the bottom was marked "SBWR" as to my others labeled "STWR". Is there a difference or was it Friday when this one was marked?
Thanks!!!

[AviarX]

Hi Dave,

Looking at your website, i find the following discs have been already released in STAR plastic:


and also the very recently released
[*] Star Starfire

I was reviewing the 2006 Innova Catalog (hard copy) which i am guessing was printed 4 or 5 months ago and it had the following (tentative) Star plastic itinerary:

2005 Star Discs
[*] Star Beast[*] Star Sidewinder[*] Star TeeBird[*] Star Stingray

Early 2006 Star
[*] Star Wraith[*] Star SL[*] Star Aero[*] Star Aviar P&A[*] Star Coyote [*] Star Starfire[*] Star TL[*] Star Valkyrie

Mid 2006 Star
[*] Star Aviar[*] Star Classic Roc[*] Star Eagle[*] Star Firebird [*] Star FL[*] Star Gator[*] Star Leopard[*] Star Orc[*] Star Rhyno[*] Star Spider[*] Star Shark[*] Star Viking

For Troof's sake:
[*] Star Ram (tba)

i have colored in red those discs pushed back and in green those discs that have been moved up. is this pretty much the present itinerary or have other adjustments been made which i haven't listed?

thanks for your time and for the beautiful plastic!

PS: i have had trouble downloading the online version of the catalog from your site, is it a bad link or is it just a large file (i have dial-up) click here

[dfee]

It must just be a very large file, I was able to open it, but it did take about 10 or so minutes and I have a high speed connection.

[xterramatt]

It is a large file. I am working to create a more friendly spread (2 facing pages) based downloadable. Makes it easier to get certain sections without having to get the whole catalog.

Will be working on that next week.

Matt

[AviarX]

The catalog is great! From the detailed descriptions of each disc to the discussion of the different plastics along with the charts and photos (the chart on page 27 is wonderful) and all of the tips thrown in the thing is a must read

i did have a question though

on the website, the Disc Comparison Chart says:

that a Roadrunner has a fade of 1, while the catalog (page 13 and 27) says the Roadrunner has a fade of 2... is either one a typo or is the fade of a Roadrunner closer to 1.5?

[davei]

Hi Dave,

I just purchased a Star Wraith (non fund-raising edition) from a local disc shoppe and the writing on the bottom was marked "SBWR" as to my others labeled "STWR". Is there a difference or was it Friday when this one was marked?
Thanks!!!

It was either Friday, or it was and early disc in the run.

[davei]

Hi Dave,

Looking at your website, i find the following discs have been already released in STAR plastic:


and also the very recently released
[*] Star Starfire

I was reviewing the 2006 Innova Catalog (hard copy) which i am guessing was printed 4 or 5 months ago and it had the following (tentative) Star plastic itinerary:

2005 Star Discs
[*] Star Beast[*] Star Sidewinder[*] Star TeeBird[*] Star Stingray

Early 2006 Star
[*] Star Wraith[*] Star SL[*] Star Aero[*] Star Aviar P&A[*] Star Coyote [*] Star Starfire[*] Star TL[*] Star Valkyrie

Mid 2006 Star
[*] Star Aviar[*] Star Classic Roc[*] Star Eagle[*] Star Firebird [*] Star FL[*] Star Gator[*] Star Leopard[*] Star Orc[*] Star Rhyno[*] Star Spider[*] Star Shark[*] Star Viking

For Troof's sake:
[*] Star Ram (tba)

i have colored in red those discs pushed back and in green those discs that have been moved up. is this pretty much the present itinerary or have other adjustments been made which i haven't listed?

thanks for your time and for the beautiful plastic!

PS: i have had trouble downloading the online version of the catalog from your site, is it a bad link or is it just a large file (i have dial-up) click here

This is pretty much it. The Star Classic Rocs have been made and are in Tournament Fund Raising for Masters Cup right now.

[davei]

The catalog is great! From the detailed descriptions of each disc to the discussion of the different plastics along with the charts and photos (the chart on page 27 is wonderful) and all of the tips thrown in the thing is a must read

i did have a question though

on the website, the Disc Comparison Chart says:

that a Roadrunner has a fade of 1, while the catalog (page 13 and 27) says the Roadrunner has a fade of 2... is either one a typo or is the fade of a Roadrunner closer to 1.5?

It is supposed to be 1, but it could be 1.5 as you pointed out. We didn't want to use fractions or decimals.

[Fossil]

Dave
When will the Star Stingray be available again?
Thanks

[thetruthxl]

It was either Friday, or it was and early disc in the run.

Thanks Dave!!! Have a great Weekend!!

[mf100forever]

If you want one right now, there are lot of shops that have them !

[Fossil]

Kjell
You have a PM.

[davei]

Dave
When will the Star Stingray be available again?
Thanks

As soon as we can, but it probably won't make the market for a month or so.

[Fossil]

Thanks
They have been rather popular in my neck of th' woods.

[Greatzky2]

I really dig the Champ Stingbats.. how do the star stingbats compare????

Would hate to lose my last champ one and have no replacements.

-Scott Lewis

[JRauch]

Dave,
I have an 11x KC Pro Roc that someone keeps trying to tell me is an 8x mold. Were there any of these made or is my friend just making this up? He said he can tell by the dimple on top. Thanks in advance.

[AviarX]

From what i hear, the Star Stingrays are understable like a Stingray is designed to be. The out-of-production Champion Stingrays were anomalies that were much more stable than expected.

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave, I noticed something funny with the neon green Star Wraiths. When you peel off the sticker that says "Star Wraith", the sticky back to the sticker is the same color as the disc! It haven't seen it happen with any other color of the SWR (or any other disc ever made), why does it happen?

[davei]

I really dig the Champ Stingbats.. how do the star stingbats compare????

Would hate to lose my last champ one and have no replacements.

-Scott Lewis

It's my impression that the Star Stingrays turn more high speed. I didn't like the Champion myself, but that could have been a grip thing.

[davei]

Dave,
I have an 11x KC Pro Roc that someone keeps trying to tell me is an 8x mold. Were there any of these made or is my friend just making this up? He said he can tell by the dimple on top. Thanks in advance.

I believe all the 11X were Rancho type. You can't tell by the dimple however. You have to look at the nose and beveled edge. The nose is blunter and the bevel is more concave on the Ontario type.