Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 18

davei · Nov 12 2003, 02:57 PM

Rhett, the logic holds as the Roc has never been a mainstream disc as much as it has been a pro disc. The Shark is our mainstream equivalent of the Roc. The Stingray has always been a mainstream disc, and like the Aviar has also been popular with pros too.

brookep · Nov 12 2003, 05:08 PM

Dave I can't remember if I have asked you this question before so I appologize if this is a reapeat.
Two years ago Terry Calhoun was at In Flight sports when they recieved a shippment of discs. As the box was being sorted out the employee said "hey theses Valks are double stamped" Terry looked at the 4 misprints which were stamped once as a 150gm Dragon then again as a CE Valk. All of them are 174gms and look and fel like heavy Dragon plastic. I Traded Terry for one of these discs. What do I have?

davei · Nov 12 2003, 05:17 PM

brookep, a double stamp is essentially an X part. It may not be either one of the stamps. You have to compare it with a Dragon or Valkyrie. If it is a heavy Dragon. It is rare.

Nov 12 2003, 06:17 PM

I am considering buying one, and I am wondering how the "ProLine" Beasts compare to the Champion Beasts. Were they more stable? I like the flippy Champion Beasts -- especially the ones in the very pliable translucent plastic. From what I hear -- most people like a stiffer plastic and the newest Champion Beasts I've seen are more opague and less flexible plastic. Are the flexible clearer Champion Beasts a thing of the past?

davei · Nov 12 2003, 06:25 PM

robj, there are no ProLine Beasts yet. Only Champion and DX. The Champion version is now a Barry Schultz signature disc. The lighter Champion Beasts tend to be more flexible. The lightest are the clearest. Through the mid ranges, the plastic could be either or a combination. If you like the flippy Beasts, look for the domiest or get the lightest.

Nov 12 2003, 06:51 PM

Dave,

Yesterday I saw several "ProLine Beast" discs at a friend's and thought about buying one. I got the impression they preceded the Champion Beasts and that they may be a year old. Was I hallucinating?

ryangwillim · Nov 12 2003, 08:38 PM

No you weren't. I used to have a yellow 'Proline' Beast. I bought it in January when they were still a new(er) disc.

davei · Nov 12 2003, 08:41 PM

robj, sorry, I had forgotten about the original name. The plastic didn't change. There were variations then and there are variations now. The ProLine now is just the JK Aviar, KC Aviar, KC Roc, Pro Rhyno, and Pro Whippet. The discs you saw are probably over a year old.

cantrell · Nov 12 2003, 08:43 PM

Dave,
This may be a question that has been answered (possibly numerous times) but is it not possible (or just very difficult) to make a disk with the speed of a Beast and with the stability of a Tee-bird? The Viking is close but not quite there. Everyone and I mean everyone loves the Tee-bird, including myself, but I can't throw it as far as my Valkyries and my Viking and both fade at the end more than a Teebird. The big arms don't really care because they can reach the longest holes with one but as I'm new to the sport I don't have the power yet.
Kurt

Nov 12 2003, 08:49 PM

Does that mean they are essentially the same plastic as the Champion Beasts which followed them? I found the Champion Beasts less stable than the DX . Would you expect the old ProLine Beasts to be more similar in terms of stability to the DX or to the Champions?

davei · Nov 13 2003, 08:09 AM

Kurt, it is possible, but very difficult to keep it consistent. I have had those very discs come out of the variations. I will do it eventually, I hope.

davei · Nov 13 2003, 08:11 AM

robj, I would expect the ProLine to be the same as the Champion. The DX tend to be more stable initially.

pterodactyl · Nov 13 2003, 10:40 PM

Hey Dave,
The NORCAL vs SOCAL thread isn't doing so well so I thought I would ask you here. Do you have any idea what the players package might be that you might be donating? Thanks, Dave, in advance..Kenny Lee

Nov 13 2003, 10:52 PM

Thanks Dave,

one other question I have is about the Cheetah -- I presently carry the KC Pro Cheetah and I guess it is changing to the Champion Cheetah? Do you expect to continue to manufacture Cheetahs for the foreseeable future?

Nov 13 2003, 11:32 PM

Dave

You had mentioned earlier that we would be seeing the pro line/CE Gremlin very soon. Any updates on a time frame?

Also, you said something about some new SE type plastic. Does that mean that we will see SE TL's again? I know they don't have the longest life, but oh so suweeet!

davei · Nov 14 2003, 07:03 AM

pterodactyl, I only know about the Champion Minis. Maybe Champion Aviars, I am not sure. Sorry.

davei · Nov 14 2003, 07:04 AM

robj, yes we plan on continuing the Champion and DX Cheetah.

davei · Nov 14 2003, 07:08 AM

chains 13, the time frame for the Gremlin is by January, I hope. If we get the plastic, we will be making multiple models with that plastic, including the TL. The first test batches of plastic are arriving soon, but they may not be right. It may take several tries to get the correct plastic. That could take months.

Nov 14 2003, 10:13 AM

DAVE - What the oh-my-heck, are you doing up at FOUR IN THE MORNING??????
dude, go to bed.

Nov 14 2003, 10:16 AM

Quote:

DAVE - What the oh-my-heck, are you doing up at FOUR IN THE MORNING??????
dude, go to bed.

LOL..........

davei · Nov 14 2003, 11:07 AM

That's when my day starts.

exczar · Nov 14 2003, 11:56 AM

Dave,

On the Innovadiscs website yesterday, I noticed that y'all have introduced the Champion Aero. First of all, thank you. Secondly, how does it compare to the CE Aero? I bought a Champion Aviar, hoping it would compare to the CE (and expensive

) Aviar, but it was much more flippy. How does the Champion Aero fly as compared to the DX and CE Aero?

davei · Nov 14 2003, 12:28 PM

Hi Bill, I have only sporadically tested the Aeros unfortunately. The ones that I have tested were fairly similar to each other. The Aero was fairly straight and stable at slow and medium speeds, but would start to turn if thrown too hard or with flutter. The CE Aviar and Champion Aviar are two different discs. The Champion was designed as a putt and approach and is slightly unstable.

Nov 14 2003, 12:35 PM

Quote:

How does the Champion Aero fly as compared to the DX and CE Aero?

I picked up a couple of Champ Aeros last week and took 'em to my favorite practice field for a tryout. Since then, I've also played a few rounds with 'em. For my money, the Champ is very similar to DX and Pat. Pend. in stability and float/glide. (I found CE to be a bit overstable and less "floaty'glidey" compared to DX.) It also seems to handle more speed and power than DX without turning over, and is longer than either DX or CE. YMMV.

Nov 14 2003, 01:06 PM

Mmmmm it sounds great! not quite enough to make me put down my XD's though. How about a Champ XD!!!!

exczar · Nov 14 2003, 01:45 PM

Dave,

Thanks for reply. I can't wait to get one and try it out. I carry a CE Aero and also my orig. orange Eagle in my bag
(nothing glides like that bad boy).

Re: Champ Aviar. I was hoping that it would be made of the similar, durable and stiff plastic that other Champion and Pro Line discs are made of. Do you have anything currently available that would be as durable. I have a JK Aviar-x that I am using to simulate a CE Aviar.

davei · Nov 14 2003, 03:47 PM

Bill, unless we have any old CE Aviars left, nothing but the Champion Aviar putter types right now. Stay tuned.

davei · Nov 15 2003, 05:42 AM

DiscGraham, a Champion XD will happen sooner or later.

rob · Nov 16 2003, 04:50 PM

Dave, if you find any CE Aviars, can I get them?

Nov 17 2003, 07:40 PM

Dave, I know this jumps off your current thread, but I was wondering when the last year San Marino Cobras were made. I have two glows from 94'. Thanks

Nov 12 2003, 02:57 PM	#511
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D Rhett, the logic holds as the Roc has never been a mainstream disc as much as it has been a pro disc. The Shark is our mainstream equivalent of the Roc. The Stingray has always been a mainstream disc, and like the Aviar has also been popular with pros too. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 12 2003, 05:08 PM	#512
brookep Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 480	Re: Question for Dave D Dave I can't remember if I have asked you this question before so I appologize if this is a reapeat. Two years ago Terry Calhoun was at In Flight sports when they recieved a shippment of discs. As the box was being sorted out the employee said "hey theses Valks are double stamped" Terry looked at the 4 misprints which were stamped once as a 150gm Dragon then again as a CE Valk. All of them are 174gms and look and fel like heavy Dragon plastic. I Traded Terry for one of these discs. What do I have?

Nov 12 2003, 05:17 PM	#513
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D brookep, a double stamp is essentially an X part. It may not be either one of the stamps. You have to compare it with a Dragon or Valkyrie. If it is a heavy Dragon. It is rare. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 12 2003, 06:17 PM	#514
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I am considering buying one, and I am wondering how the "ProLine" Beasts compare to the Champion Beasts. Were they more stable? I like the flippy Champion Beasts -- especially the ones in the very pliable translucent plastic. From what I hear -- most people like a stiffer plastic and the newest Champion Beasts I've seen are more opague and less flexible plastic. Are the flexible clearer Champion Beasts a thing of the past?

Nov 12 2003, 06:25 PM	#515
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D robj, there are no ProLine Beasts yet. Only Champion and DX. The Champion version is now a Barry Schultz signature disc. The lighter Champion Beasts tend to be more flexible. The lightest are the clearest. Through the mid ranges, the plastic could be either or a combination. If you like the flippy Beasts, look for the domiest or get the lightest. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 12 2003, 06:51 PM	#516
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, Yesterday I saw several "ProLine Beast" discs at a friend's and thought about buying one. I got the impression they preceded the Champion Beasts and that they may be a year old. Was I hallucinating?

Nov 12 2003, 08:38 PM	#517
ryangwillim Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 1,385	Re: Question for Dave D No you weren't. I used to have a yellow 'Proline' Beast. I bought it in January when they were still a new(er) disc.

Nov 12 2003, 08:41 PM	#518
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D robj, sorry, I had forgotten about the original name. The plastic didn't change. There were variations then and there are variations now. The ProLine now is just the JK Aviar, KC Aviar, KC Roc, Pro Rhyno, and Pro Whippet. The discs you saw are probably over a year old. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 12 2003, 08:43 PM	#519
cantrell Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 76	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, This may be a question that has been answered (possibly numerous times) but is it not possible (or just very difficult) to make a disk with the speed of a Beast and with the stability of a Tee-bird? The Viking is close but not quite there. Everyone and I mean everyone loves the Tee-bird, including myself, but I can't throw it as far as my Valkyries and my Viking and both fade at the end more than a Teebird. The big arms don't really care because they can reach the longest holes with one but as I'm new to the sport I don't have the power yet. Kurt

Nov 12 2003, 08:49 PM	#520
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Does that mean they are essentially the same plastic as the Champion Beasts which followed them? I found the Champion Beasts less stable than the DX . Would you expect the old ProLine Beasts to be more similar in terms of stability to the DX or to the Champions?

Nov 13 2003, 08:09 AM	#521
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D Kurt, it is possible, but very difficult to keep it consistent. I have had those very discs come out of the variations. I will do it eventually, I hope. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 13 2003, 08:11 AM	#522
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D robj, I would expect the ProLine to be the same as the Champion. The DX tend to be more stable initially. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 13 2003, 10:40 PM	#523
pterodactyl PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Is everything Posts: 2,715	Re: Question for Dave D Hey Dave, The NORCAL vs SOCAL thread isn't doing so well so I thought I would ask you here. Do you have any idea what the players package might be that you might be donating? Thanks, Dave, in advance..Kenny Lee __________________ Don't hate me because I'm www.TWISTEDflyer.com!

Nov 13 2003, 10:52 PM	#524
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Thanks Dave, one other question I have is about the Cheetah -- I presently carry the KC Pro Cheetah and I guess it is changing to the Champion Cheetah? Do you expect to continue to manufacture Cheetahs for the foreseeable future?

Nov 13 2003, 11:32 PM	#525
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave You had mentioned earlier that we would be seeing the pro line/CE Gremlin very soon. Any updates on a time frame? Also, you said something about some new SE type plastic. Does that mean that we will see SE TL's again? I know they don't have the longest life, but oh so suweeet!

Nov 14 2003, 07:03 AM	#526
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D pterodactyl, I only know about the Champion Minis. Maybe Champion Aviars, I am not sure. Sorry. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 14 2003, 07:04 AM	#527
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D robj, yes we plan on continuing the Champion and DX Cheetah. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 14 2003, 07:08 AM	#528
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D chains 13, the time frame for the Gremlin is by January, I hope. If we get the plastic, we will be making multiple models with that plastic, including the TL. The first test batches of plastic are arriving soon, but they may not be right. It may take several tries to get the correct plastic. That could take months. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 14 2003, 10:13 AM	#529
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D DAVE - What the oh-my-heck, are you doing up at FOUR IN THE MORNING?????? dude, go to bed.

Nov 14 2003, 11:07 AM	#531
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D That's when my day starts. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 14 2003, 11:56 AM	#532
exczar PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,630	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, On the Innovadiscs website yesterday, I noticed that y'all have introduced the Champion Aero. First of all, thank you. Secondly, how does it compare to the CE Aero? I bought a Champion Aviar, hoping it would compare to the CE (and expensive ) Aviar, but it was much more flippy. How does the Champion Aero fly as compared to the DX and CE Aero? __________________ Bill Burns, DGRZ001 ----------------------------------------------- I used to be really good; then the beveled-edged disc came out and everyone could now throw far.

Nov 14 2003, 12:28 PM	#533
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D Hi Bill, I have only sporadically tested the Aeros unfortunately. The ones that I have tested were fairly similar to each other. The Aero was fairly straight and stable at slow and medium speeds, but would start to turn if thrown too hard or with flutter. The CE Aviar and Champion Aviar are two different discs. The Champion was designed as a putt and approach and is slightly unstable. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 14 2003, 01:06 PM	#535
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Mmmmm it sounds great! not quite enough to make me put down my XD's though. How about a Champ XD!!!!

Nov 14 2003, 01:45 PM	#536
exczar PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,630	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, Thanks for reply. I can't wait to get one and try it out. I carry a CE Aero and also my orig. orange Eagle in my bag (nothing glides like that bad boy). Re: Champ Aviar. I was hoping that it would be made of the similar, durable and stiff plastic that other Champion and Pro Line discs are made of. Do you have anything currently available that would be as durable. I have a JK Aviar-x that I am using to simulate a CE Aviar. __________________ Bill Burns, DGRZ001 ----------------------------------------------- I used to be really good; then the beveled-edged disc came out and everyone could now throw far.

Nov 14 2003, 03:47 PM	#537
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D Bill, unless we have any old CE Aviars left, nothing but the Champion Aviar putter types right now. Stay tuned. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 15 2003, 05:42 AM	#538
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Question for Dave D DiscGraham, a Champion XD will happen sooner or later. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 16 2003, 04:50 PM	#539
rob PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 709	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, if you find any CE Aviars, can I get them?

Nov 17 2003, 07:40 PM	#540
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I know this jumps off your current thread, but I was wondering when the last year San Marino Cobras were made. I have two glows from 94'. Thanks

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