Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[thetruthxl]

I hate to ask but I've read different things from different places...are the Pegasus discontinued??? I see them everywhere now but and I really don't want to get attached to a disc that I can only get in limited quantities ( kind of like the Hammers, Ontario Rocs, KC gazelles and Ravens).

.....or rams? Good thing Dave's going to run some by 2008 Worlds!

[veganray]

.....or Gremlins?

Yes, it's true! This is an extremely limited release of CFR STAR Gremlins.

Only a few boxes have been made and I have a limited number that are fundraisers for this year's 30th Virginia State Frisbee Tournament and its host, John Lee Pratt Memorial Park. Each comes with the Certificate of Authenticity and Sponsors Reward program entry.

I'm letting these go for $30 apiece (incl. shipping), all of which will go directly to the Park's basket/tee sign fund.

Be the 1st on your block to have (IMHO) innova's truest-flying midrange drive in their top-of-the-line plastic! PM me or email ray@tripledisc.com if you,re interested. I also have one on Ebay: CFR STAR Gremlin Frisbee disc golf

[Moderator005]

It's more like a Pro Starfire but it seems to fly farther than the regular run Pro Starfires I've bought. For me it flies straight but I started using mine only in the winter. That gold color is hard to find in the summer and I've almost lost mine a few times. It looks like a dirt spot on the ground and it's easy to overlook. I wouldn't want to throw it on a course like Jordan for example, Lehigh maybe.

Thanks for the heads-up, Chuck.

Sounds like I will need to pick up the Star SL and/or the upcoming Star Starfire (x) which will hopefully fly as far as my regular Pro Starfires, but come with increased durability.

[davei]

So these
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Was there a re tooling between runs? The stiff slick blue seems more domey (light purple too). The red marginally flatter and softer. Or was the plastic change responsible for the dome effect?
And Dave is there an archive including pictures of the company hot stamps and mold variations , dates etc? I know mf100forever (Kjell) in Sweden has a good listing of discs produced but not with pictures.
Thanks

The material was responsible for everything. We don't have an archive with pictures, but Tim Selinske had archived quite a few of the hotstamps. I don't know where they are now. No archive of all the mold variations here, but there are collectors that have them.

[flynvegas]

All of the Coupes are rare. Orange was the most prevalent, followed by yellow, I believe. White was the rarest by quite a bit.

Dave,
Were there any Coupe's made in the other colors Innova was using back then? I.E. Blue or purple? I have only seen 3 white Coupe's before.

Thx

[veganray]

I've got white, yellow, & orange (and flynvegas just fantastically traded for my OTHER white one), but no pink, and I'm not tickled about it.

[davei]

Dave,
Were there any Coupe's made in the other colors Innova was using back then? I.E. Blue or purple? I have only seen 3 white Coupe's before.

Thx

I don't remember any other colors other than Magenta, Orange, Yellow, and a few White. Blue and purple were used for Aeros, but I don't remember them in Coupes

[davei]

Magenta is pink, purplish, red

[rhett]

Magenta is pink, purplish, red

It's a man's pink: Deep Pink.

[mf100forever]

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[davei]

[wheresdave]

Why only 100 Des Disc

[schwaggies]

Dave I currently throw the Champ gator and the roc (dx,champ). I throw my rocs for dead on balls straight shots up to 280ft. When i need a mid range shot to absolutely finish left (RHBH) or windy up to 240ft i throw tha gator. In addition I'll throw a coyote in the bag for wooded courses or must turn over big annies up to 260ft.

Where would the goblin fall into this picture? and the gremlin?

BIG THANKS TO YOU DAVE FOR HOOKIN US UP!

[widiscgolf]

Dave,

Thank you for the Star FX. You da man!!

Hamm

[davei]

Why only 100 Des Disc

We honored each of the 2005 Champions with this commemorative disc. Peter Shive, Dr. Rick, Dave Feldberg, Dean Tannock, and Des.

This was not an endorsement disc.

[AviarX]

wow, only making 100 of each certainly makes them nice collectibles.

any chance on making a Zero Time World Champion Rob Johnston Orc?

[davei]

Dave I currently throw the Champ gator and the roc (dx,champ). I throw my rocs for dead on balls straight shots up to 280ft. When i need a mid range shot to absolutely finish left (RHBH) or windy up to 240ft i throw tha gator. In addition I'll throw a coyote in the bag for wooded courses or must turn over big annies up to 260ft.

Where would the goblin fall into this picture? and the gremlin?

BIG THANKS TO YOU DAVE FOR HOOKIN US UP!

The Goblin does some of the things you mentioned. It is not a replacement for the Gator. The Goblin is more a replacement for an Aviar driver. It is a little longer than an Aviar, but not as long as a Roc or Coyote. It is a good woods disc, and a pretty good putter. It holds its line on shots up to 280 ft straight or turnover. It holds a soft hyzer line unlike the Gator which holds a hard line.

The Gremlin probably does more of what you were describing. The Gremlin is pretty good 175 gm size substitute for a Roc/Coyote.

[20460chase]

It's a man's pink: Deep Pink.

Sure your not Ron Jeremy?

[rtinsa]

Hey Dave. Rt from Texas, Do you think you guy's will ever run out of star plastic? And if they are durable for 5 year's or so, like the original CE. What avenue will your company take?
And is there better plastic for the future?
Thx for your time.

[20460chase]

I would just like to comment on the whole dull and slick star plastic thing. I think the dull stuff is way better than the slick stuff. I would make them all dull if it were up to me and were possible. Sure maybe it doesnt look as nice but who cares. I throw my discs.

Personally, I only throw the red plastic. Some is shiny, some is dull, all is SWEET.

This is Innovas best plastic since the first 2 runs of CE. Im throwing TLs, SLs, Wraiths, and Teerexs.
No, I dont flip over the Teerex, I know how to throw.
Star Avairs are sick and are quickly becoming my favorite putter. I drove with these in BG..into headwinds.

[20460chase]

HI Dave,

I had a couple questions. First, why is it that the Aviars now have only a single circle on the bottom as opposed to 2? (I mean the molding (?) cirlce the weight is written in on the bottom ) and why do they rule so much more than the double circles?
And... why does it seem that the Proto Teerexs ( red mainly ) have a different feel to them than the regular stamp versions? By this I mean in terms of stiffness and tack. The red Protos feel alot stiffer, and I never came close to flipping it except on a horrible forehand shot...it still came back, on a different fairway though.

[davei]

Hey Dave. Rt from Texas, Do you think you guy's will ever run out of star plastic? And if they are durable for 5 year's or so, like the original CE. What avenue will your company take?
And is there better plastic for the future?
Thx for your time.

I hope we don't run out of plastic. I don't know how long they will last, but eventually they will wear out or end up at the bottom of a lake. I don't know if there will be a longer lasting plastic, but I believe something new is always on the horizon.

[davei]

HI Dave,

I had a couple questions. First, why is it that the Aviars now have only a single circle on the bottom as opposed to 2? (I mean the molding (?) cirlce the weight is written in on the bottom ) and why do they rule so much more than the double circles?
And... why does it seem that the Proto Teerexs ( red mainly ) have a different feel to them than the regular stamp versions? By this I mean in terms of stiffness and tack. The red Protos feel alot stiffer, and I never came close to flipping it except on a horrible forehand shot...it still came back, on a different fairway though.

The Aviar rings are a vestige of an older system. They are still there but have worn down so as to be unnoticeable in one of the cores. Both of the cores are identical otherwise. As for the red color, or any other color of star; I don't know. I do know that different people feel different things with different colors. To me, this indicates an interaction with different skin types and grips such that some colors feel better to some players, and other colors feel better to other players.

[Boneman]

Hi Dave,
Hey, any chance you will make the Viking in Star plastic? Sure would be cool if you did. Cheers!

[davei]

Hi Dave,
Hey, any chance you will make the Viking in Star plastic? Sure would be cool if you did. Cheers!

Yes.

[WakandaRat]

How many gremlins were run in star plastic ? and are they going to be run again in the future ?

[okcacehole]

Dave - does Innova have any plans to discontinue some of the disc lines out right now? Seems a new one comes out every week, but there are so many different ones out there now that a few could be discontinued - IMO

[AviarX]

choice is bad?

[okcacehole]

choice is bad?

No, I don't think that at all. It just seems there are so many choices now that beginners could become very confused as to what they do and do not need and the market may become over-saturated with too many to choose from.

Here is the current list on their site:

Name Abbreviation
Aero S-AE
Archangel AA
Banshee B
Beast BST
Bulldog BL
Cheetah CH
Classic Cobra CC
Classic Roc CR
Cobra CO
Coyote CY
Eagle E
Eagle (less stable) EL
Firebird F
FL FL
Firebird (more stable) FX
Gator GT
Gazelle GZ
Goblin GO
Gremlin GR
Jaguar J
Leopard L
Millennium Aurora MF MF
Millennium Aurora MS MS
Millennium EXP EXP
Millennium JLS JLS
Millennium Polaris LF LF
Millennium Polaris LS LS
Millennium Quantum JLS QJLS
Millennium Quantum MS QMS
Millennium Quantum Omega Q
Millennium Omega Supersoft
Monster M
Orc O
Panther PA
Pegasus PG
Puma PM
Ram RAM
Raven RV
Rhyno RY
Roadrunner RR
Roc R
Shark SH
Sidewinder SW, SSW
SL SL, S-SL
Spider SP
Starfire SF
Stingray ST or SST
TeeBird T,TB, or STB
TeeRex TR, STR
TL aka TeeBird-L TL, TLS
Valkyrie VK or VL
Viking VG
Viper V
Whippet WX
Wolf W
Wraith WR

[mf100forever]

So these
[image]http://geocities.com/lakefrontdgc/rhammer[/image]
(why do I have trouble getting images up?)
Look Here
Was there a re tooling between runs? The stiff slick blue seems more domey (light purple too). The red marginally flatter and softer. Or was the plastic change responsible for the dome effect?
And Dave is there an archive including pictures of the company hot stamps and mold variations , dates etc? I know mf100forever (Kjell) in Sweden has a good listing of discs produced but not with pictures.
Thanks

It is a retooling between the "hammer and basket"-stamp and "Wedge"-stamp, it was retooled late 1988 according to Rick Neil. I made an comparison and The "Wedge" is a bit lower and and has a more concave rim.