Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

How will the Star Starfire differ from the Star SL ?

A good analogy would be the same difference between a TeeBird and TL.

[widiscgolf]

I would assume the Star Starfire is the X mold = more stable

and of course the Star Starfire-L is a long driver = less stable

[riverdog]

A good analogy would be the same difference between a TeeBird and TL.

.......or a Leopard and a Leopard L?

[thetruthxl]

I have to echo that the TeeRex is a great design. I don't know what type of "King Kong Arm" people are claiming to have to flip it over "like a valk" but I can say that this disc is the stable headwind driver I"ve been looking for.
Huge D, conrolled hyzers and finally a distance driver that's not as finicky as the orc, that I can release flat.

thanks and watch out for my disc on the next pad, fellas

[veganray]

I don't know what type of "King Kong Arm" people are claiming to have to flip it over "like a valk"

Most likely "King Kong Arms" with lousy technique.

[rangel]

They fly similar to a Coyote, but are not quite as long. They may be as long as a slightly beat Roc, but I haven't tested that yet. The flight characterist is closest to an Aviar, but a little longer. A cross between an Aviar and a Coyote wouldn't be far off.

I have not seen a goblin yet so I have a couple questions. Are they tall? An aviar is tall. A coyote is kind-a-tall. A cobra is not tall.

Will it glide like a new cobra classic?

What I'm looking for is a replacement for my CCs. I throw the CCs between 220 and 250' (a bit of a noodle arm). I don't like the grip on an aviar or an aero. A roc tends to be to overstable for my taste. I try to cover that distance with my coyote, but I tend to edge up my coyote and it never recovers from the long slow right hand turn (RHBH). When I throw a new CC, it goes flat and stays flat till the very end. When you throw that new CC into a tree, it becomes a longer coyote

Any ideas.

[davei]

I have not seen a goblin yet so I have a couple questions. Are they tall? An aviar is tall. A coyote is kind-a-tall. A cobra is not tall.

Will it glide like a new cobra classic?

What I'm looking for is a replacement for my CCs. I throw the CCs between 220 and 250' (a bit of a noodle arm). I don't like the grip on an aviar or an aero. A roc tends to be to overstable for my taste. I try to cover that distance with my coyote, but I tend to edge up my coyote and it never recovers from the long slow right hand turn (RHBH). When I throw a new CC, it goes flat and stays flat till the very end. When you throw that new CC into a tree, it becomes a longer coyote

Any ideas.

I don't think the Goblin is for you. It is tallish and has a grip like an Aero. You might try a Shark or Millennium MS.

[quickdisc]

A good analogy would be the same difference between a TeeBird and TL.

Thanks !!!!! Can't wait !!!!

I would just like to comment on the whole dull and slick star plastic thing. I think the dull stuff is way better than the slick stuff. I would make them all dull if it were up to me and were possible. Sure maybe it doesnt look as nice but who cares. I throw my discs.

[thetruthxl]

Dave,
I'm really liking the Teebird again and I want to try a star one out. What I'm looking for is a point-and-shoot slower driver that will hold the angle I release at. My friend tells me that the TB (not the TL) is more overstable in star than the champ... it takes me alittle bit to break in a champ where Daddy likes it.
Would you suggest a TL since I'm guessing it will be more point-and-shoot out-of-the-box or should I "one disc challenge" through my technical, wooded short course with the TB? Thanks.

[davei]

Dave,
I'm really liking the Teebird again and I want to try a star one out. What I'm looking for is a point-and-shoot slower driver that will hold the angle I release at. My friend tells me that the TB (not the TL) is more overstable in star than the champ... it takes me alittle bit to break in a champ where Daddy likes it.
Would you suggest a TL since I'm guessing it will be more point-and-shoot out-of-the-box or should I "one disc challenge" through my technical, wooded short course with the TB? Thanks.

I would choose the Leopard or Coyote for a short wooded course myself. But of the two you named, I would definitely take the TL in the woods over the Tee.

[thetruthxl]

Thanks Dave...I couldn't wait and ordered both a TB And TL from David in SC. That guy has really got me out of some pickles and is super helpful.
Plus, everytime I call, I get to talk to Angela...I love those southern girl's accents, don't you?

I'll drop a progress report next week.

[ANHYZER]

Try a Dragon.

[thetruthxl]

Try a Dragon.

Angela's a dragon?!?

[ANHYZER]

No I meant, if you are looking for a stable disc, for your snap and power I would suggest a Dragon. Plus if you come up short on a water hole it floats! It's a great disc for beginners

BTW...It's La Verdad, not El Verdad, and that's la verdad.

[thetruthxl]

No I meant, if you are looking for a stable disc, for your snap and power I would suggest a Dragon. Plus if you come up short on a water hole it floats! It's a great disc for beginners

BTW...It's La Verdad, not El Verdad, and that's la verdad.

A dragon is a sweet disc! 150 class is teh only way to go!

I know "the truth" en espanol is "la verdad" being a masculine adjective with a feminine conjuction, but someone beat me to the punch.
Don't worry, now that we can freely change our screen names, I wont be el verdad for long. Has anyone used donkeypunch?

[Furthur]

Check out the NWA forum. They've got a team donkey.

[thetruthxl]

Check out the NWA forum. They've got a team donkey.

I loved those guys! too bad about Easy E Ice cube should get back to hardcore movies...otherwise he'll end up on some tulsa CSI like Ice T!

[Fossil]

yes. If we ran them, we would probably start with the original. They would go into the CFR program for tournaments.

Dave
By 'Original' do you mean these Aviar-XD like very stiff ones?

[Moderator005]

No clue. Sorry.

I just won a $8.50 auction on eBay for one of these Mid-Nationals Innova Pro Gold Starfire Fundraiser discs. What can I expect when I receive this 173g disc? Is it stable like a Champion Starfire? Or a little flippy, like regular Pro Starfires? (but with less durability) Or is it the best of both worlds, with the increased distance of a Pro Starfire but with a little extra durability like that a Champion Starfire?

[bfunkyp]

Dave,
What is coming up next in the Star plastic?

[jaymo]

I believe that up next is the star firebird, then star-starfire (x mold)

that's all I know...

hmmm, starfire(bird) and (star) starfire

[esalazar]

I believe that up next is the star firebird, then star-starfire (x mold)

that's all I know...

hmmm, starfire(bird) and (star) starfire

the star firebird is currently available!!

[ck34]

Is it stable like a Champion Starfire? Or a little flippy, like regular Pro Starfires?

It's more like a Pro Starfire but it seems to fly farther than the regular run Pro Starfires I've bought. For me it flies straight but I started using mine only in the winter. That gold color is hard to find in the summer and I've almost lost mine a few times. It looks like a dirt spot on the ground and it's easy to overlook. I wouldn't want to throw it on a course like Jordan for example, Lehigh maybe.

[poisonelf]

I hate to ask but I've read different things from different places...are the Pegasus discontinued??? I see them everywhere now but and I really don't want to get attached to a disc that I can only get in limited quantities ( kind of like the Hammers, Ontario Rocs, KC gazelles and Ravens).

[davei]

Dave
By 'Original' do you mean these Aviar-XD like very stiff ones?

Those blue are the originals, but not the right ones. The right ones are red. I believe it was the run following blue.

[davei]

I just won a $8.50 auction on eBay for one of these Mid-Nationals Innova Pro Gold Starfire Fundraiser discs. What can I expect when I receive this 173g disc? Is it stable like a Champion Starfire? Or a little flippy, like regular Pro Starfires? (but with less durability) Or is it the best of both worlds, with the increased distance of a Pro Starfire but with a little extra durability like that a Champion Starfire?

I don't remember these, but if they are Pro, they are the L mold in Pro plastic. It's possible that it was Star type, but I don't think so. The Star SL is the disc you describe as the best of both worlds.

[davei]

Dave,
What is coming up next in the Star plastic?

Star Starfire (x) is up next, April 10.

[davei]

I hate to ask but I've read different things from different places...are the Pegasus discontinued??? I see them everywhere now but and I really don't want to get attached to a disc that I can only get in limited quantities ( kind of like the Hammers, Ontario Rocs, KC gazelles and Ravens).

The Pegasus has been discontinued. It was most like a Banshee.

[Fossil]

Those blue are the originals, but not the right ones. The right ones are red. I believe it was the run following blue.

So these
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Was there a re tooling between runs? The stiff slick blue seems more domey (light purple too). The red marginally flatter and softer. Or was the plastic change responsible for the dome effect?
And Dave is there an archive including pictures of the company hot stamps and mold variations , dates etc? I know mf100forever (Kjell) in Sweden has a good listing of discs produced but not with pictures.
Thanks