Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 165

veganray · Mar 02 2006, 12:57 PM

Dave,
Nice to see the STAR TLs are ready to throw. How about some 150-class (pleeeeease)?

BTW - I can't wait for my order of 150g DX Wraiths to arrive. I look forward to seeing what the buzz is all about!

flynvegas · Mar 02 2006, 03:25 PM

DX Wraith ROCKS!

riverdog · Mar 02 2006, 03:48 PM

Love the new DX Wraith plastic Dave. Put some pretty solid licks on trees and rocks yesterday with no cutting and minimal scuffing. And no catastrophic changes in flight pattern either.

jparmley · Mar 02 2006, 04:19 PM

Dave, I'm concerned about the overall durability of the Star Plastic. The feel and flight are outstanding when the plastic is brand new. Even the "rim" of the disc does not scuff or chip like the old Pro plastic. However, the disc's stability over time has been disappointing. Case in point: I purchased a 173 Star Beast and threw it 20-25 ft further than any of my Champ Beasts. But over the course of about a month, this same Star Beast has now become so understable that it's approaching "roller status"! There are no dings or nicks...visually, it's still in perfect condition, but it's stability has been completely comprimised. Now I play in Austin where there are plenty of mesquite trees and rocks, and god knows I have hit my share, but for the stability to change so drastically in a month's time is very disappointing. I asked several other players in my area and have received very similar feed back...Do you think this could be corrected before the second and third runs are released? Until then, I'll stick with the Champion Plastic....

quickdisc · Mar 02 2006, 05:48 PM

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DX Wraith ROCKS!

Just thrown my 173 Dx Wraith today. Really fast. You can force it over and make it turn or just a little turn and have it flex back hyzer really nice !!!!! Nice Stable Dx plastic !!!!

accidentalROLLER · Mar 02 2006, 09:02 PM

Dave, what's comming after star Firebirds?

xterramatt · Mar 02 2006, 11:54 PM

jon E P,
Make sure your Older beasts are the same mold as the Star Wraith. The Star Beast has a flatter bottom lip, almost straight, while the original Beasts has a lower angle to it. The original Beast is more overstable, while the Star Beast (and Pro and new DX) are a turnover disc.

The change was made as the Orc was too similar to what the original Beast was. Both are great discs, IMO, but they were simply too similar in characteristics. The new Beast is quite a bit more understable, and if you throw it like you do your older beasts, it will tend to turn over and possibly roll. It's a great finesse disc, give it a little hyzer and it's a great flyer.

everydaydude · Mar 03 2006, 12:05 AM

Dave, a few questions from an avid rhyno thrower.
1. Are there any plans to mold a star rhyno? if not, WHY.
2. Why was the plastic changed when Innova dropped "Line" from the Pro Line Rhyno stamp (seems the new "Pro Rhyno's" are much softer)?
3. Any chance you know how many of the green "Pro Line" Rhyno's were made?
That's about it. Anyone out there who has any green pro line rhyno's who wants a trade or some cash, lemme know. Thanks

AviarX · Mar 03 2006, 12:15 AM

Dave answered your Rhyno question #1 affirmatively on the previous page of this thread, 4th post down.

widiscgolf · Mar 03 2006, 02:24 PM

Dave,

The old 10X Teebirds had many different runs of plastic that ranged from taffy, kc, ce/kc blend. Were there any that were run just with ce plastic only with the 10X stamped on it?

The reason I ask is I have a 10X Teebird with a double stamp clearwater alien stamp that I swear is ce plastic only. I hold it up to the other 2 white/cloudly CE Teebird T mold I have and it looks and feels the same. If so how many do you think were ran? Well I know at let one for sure hehe.

Let me know thanks.

Josh

Here is a picture of it. Kind of cool how the clouds are reflecting of the disc. .

ChunkyleeChong · Mar 04 2006, 09:20 AM

Hey dave. Important question. Did any of the first run Blueberry Valkyries come with the standard Champion edition stamp?

20460chase · Mar 04 2006, 11:36 AM

Hi Dave,

Id just like to thank you for making the Iron Lion custom stamp happen. It is just plain SICK. If theres ever anything I can do for you, dont hesitate to ask.

quickdisc · Mar 04 2006, 02:34 PM

Nice Dyed Disc !!!!

I'd like to get that same dye work and stamp on a Pro Starfire at 173 grams !!!!!

widiscgolf · Mar 04 2006, 07:58 PM

Thank you that is actually dyed by me.

zj1977 · Mar 05 2006, 02:24 AM

hey dave i'm tyring to find the whole line of 1st run of the ce .I'm also trying to find the 1st see throu run of ce. I would like to get them in good condtion if i can. I already looked on e-bay nouthing I relly liked. If you could pont me in the right direction it would be geratful. Just pm me if you have any answer.

flynvegas · Mar 05 2006, 08:55 AM

Try Mark at discgolfvalues.com Mark has CE discs for sale on his web site, and you can ask him if he has what you're looking for. Tough set to complete, or should I say expensive. Good luck.

bcary93 · Mar 05 2006, 08:46 PM

I got a DC ProD Challenger in a players pack. I like it and I wonder what Innova disc is most like it ? I think a Bulldog must be more overstable but I hope to try one of those soon.

accidentalROLLER · Mar 05 2006, 09:02 PM

Aviars and challengers are almost identical.

JRauch · Mar 05 2006, 09:11 PM

a dx big bead flies very similar to a pro d challenger. The only thing is that the aviar is more domed and has way more glide.

AviarX · Mar 05 2006, 09:17 PM

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Aviars and challengers are almost identical.

well, except Aviars have been around for more than 20 years [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Mar 05 2006, 11:02 PM

Aviars are less overstable than chalengers

AviarX · Mar 05 2006, 11:08 PM

you are probably talking about the Aviar P & A.

Aren't Challengers copies of the (more stable) big bead Aviar? [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] (aka: JK Aviar-X, KC Pro Aviar, etc.)

Mar 05 2006, 11:54 PM

Robj: you are mostly correct as far as my observations go. The thing that I've noticed that is different between the two is that the bead on the challenger is slightly wider and flatter than the more narrow and rounded bead on the big bead aviar.

davei · Mar 06 2006, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Dave, what's comming after star Firebirds?

The Star FL will follow the Star Firebird

davei · Mar 06 2006, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Dave, a few questions from an avid rhyno thrower.
1. Are there any plans to mold a star rhyno? if not, WHY.
2. Why was the plastic changed when Innova dropped "Line" from the Pro Line Rhyno stamp (seems the new "Pro Rhyno's" are much softer)?
3. Any chance you know how many of the green "Pro Line" Rhyno's were made?
That's about it. Anyone out there who has any green pro line rhyno's who wants a trade or some cash, lemme know. Thanks

1. Yes
2. We tried to make it softer to be more like the first run, more durable, and less like the DX.
3. No clue on the green discs, but generally we don't run much green.

davei · Mar 06 2006, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Dave,

The old 10X Teebirds had many different runs of plastic that ranged from taffy, kc, ce/kc blend. Were there any that were run just with ce plastic only with the 10X stamped on it?

The reason I ask is I have a 10X Teebird with a double stamp clearwater alien stamp that I swear is ce plastic only. I hold it up to the other 2 white/cloudly CE Teebird T mold I have and it looks and feels the same. If so how many do you think were ran? Well I know at let one for sure hehe.

Let me know thanks.

Josh

Here is a picture of it. Kind of cool how the clouds are reflecting of the disc. .

Sorry Josh. I don't have any idea how many were run, but judging by the picture they may have specifically been run to be I dyed. If that is the case, it could have been as many as 2000.

widiscgolf · Mar 06 2006, 09:04 AM

Thanks Dave. I figured there had to be a batch run of CE stamped with 10X.

How was the Memorial?

davei · Mar 06 2006, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Thanks Dave. I figured there had to be a batch run of CE stamped with 10X.

How was the Memorial?

Memorial was pretty good. The courses were well laid out and very challenging. You had to drive, approach, and putt. Unfortunately I wasn't driving well. Eighteen OB strokes. Weather was very good.

MTL21676 · Mar 06 2006, 11:37 AM

Dave,

What new discs do you see coming out this year? I'm not looking for names or anything, but maybe a description of what you have in mind (i.e. when the roadrunner came out it was advertised as a less stable sidewinder - a description along that line would be great!)

davei · Mar 06 2006, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Dave,

What new discs do you see coming out this year? I'm not looking for names or anything, but maybe a description of what you have in mind (i.e. when the roadrunner came out it was advertised as a less stable sidewinder - a description along that line would be great!)

TeeRex: More stable Wraith. TeeBird like flight with Wraith distance. Goblin: 175 gm stable point and shoot, one disc disc.

Mar 02 2006, 12:57 PM	#4921
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, Nice to see the STAR TLs are ready to throw. How about some 150-class (pleeeeease)? BTW - I can't wait for my order of 150g DX Wraiths to arrive. I look forward to seeing what the buzz is all about!

Mar 02 2006, 03:25 PM	#4922
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! DX Wraith ROCKS!

Mar 02 2006, 03:48 PM	#4923
riverdog Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yadkinville, NC Posts: 2,091	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Love the new DX Wraith plastic Dave. Put some pretty solid licks on trees and rocks yesterday with no cutting and minimal scuffing. And no catastrophic changes in flight pattern either. __________________ In dog we trust! 1992 - Year of the Advanced Master

Mar 02 2006, 04:19 PM	#4924
jparmley Membership Expired Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: aTx Posts: 418	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I'm concerned about the overall durability of the Star Plastic. The feel and flight are outstanding when the plastic is brand new. Even the "rim" of the disc does not scuff or chip like the old Pro plastic. However, the disc's stability over time has been disappointing. Case in point: I purchased a 173 Star Beast and threw it 20-25 ft further than any of my Champ Beasts. But over the course of about a month, this same Star Beast has now become so understable that it's approaching "roller status"! There are no dings or nicks...visually, it's still in perfect condition, but it's stability has been completely comprimised. Now I play in Austin where there are plenty of mesquite trees and rocks, and god knows I have hit my share, but for the stability to change so drastically in a month's time is very disappointing. I asked several other players in my area and have received very similar feed back...Do you think this could be corrected before the second and third runs are released? Until then, I'll stick with the Champion Plastic.... __________________ Team Pease - Your 2007 Texas Team Champs!

Mar 02 2006, 09:02 PM	#4926
accidentalROLLER Membership Expired Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DGADDMF Posts: 2,072	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, what's comming after star Firebirds? __________________ Boycott Sun King. Boycott Gateway.

Mar 02 2006, 11:54 PM	#4927
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! jon E P, Make sure your Older beasts are the same mold as the Star Wraith. The Star Beast has a flatter bottom lip, almost straight, while the original Beasts has a lower angle to it. The original Beast is more overstable, while the Star Beast (and Pro and new DX) are a turnover disc. The change was made as the Orc was too similar to what the original Beast was. Both are great discs, IMO, but they were simply too similar in characteristics. The new Beast is quite a bit more understable, and if you throw it like you do your older beasts, it will tend to turn over and possibly roll. It's a great finesse disc, give it a little hyzer and it's a great flyer. __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

Mar 03 2006, 12:05 AM	#4928
everydaydude Community Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 14	Rhyno\'s Dave, a few questions from an avid rhyno thrower. 1. Are there any plans to mold a star rhyno? if not, WHY. 2. Why was the plastic changed when Innova dropped "Line" from the Pro Line Rhyno stamp (seems the new "Pro Rhyno's" are much softer)? 3. Any chance you know how many of the green "Pro Line" Rhyno's were made? That's about it. Anyone out there who has any green pro line rhyno's who wants a trade or some cash, lemme know. Thanks

Mar 03 2006, 12:15 AM	#4929
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave answered your Rhyno question #1 affirmatively on the previous page of this thread, 4th post down.

Mar 03 2006, 02:24 PM	#4930
widiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Bend, WI Posts: 2,144	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, The old 10X Teebirds had many different runs of plastic that ranged from taffy, kc, ce/kc blend. Were there any that were run just with ce plastic only with the 10X stamped on it? The reason I ask is I have a 10X Teebird with a double stamp clearwater alien stamp that I swear is ce plastic only. I hold it up to the other 2 white/cloudly CE Teebird T mold I have and it looks and feels the same. If so how many do you think were ran? Well I know at let one for sure hehe. Let me know thanks. Josh Here is a picture of it. Kind of cool how the clouds are reflecting of the disc. . __________________ www.widye.com www.ozdgc.com www.gldgc.com

Mar 04 2006, 09:20 AM	#4931
ChunkyleeChong Membership Expired Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: US Posts: 192	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hey dave. Important question. Did any of the first run Blueberry Valkyries come with the standard Champion edition stamp?

Mar 04 2006, 11:36 AM	#4932
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Dave, Id just like to thank you for making the Iron Lion custom stamp happen. It is just plain SICK. If theres ever anything I can do for you, dont hesitate to ask. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Mar 04 2006, 02:34 PM	#4933
quickdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: America\'s Finest City SD,CA. Posts: 6,186	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Nice Dyed Disc !!!! I'd like to get that same dye work and stamp on a Pro Starfire at 173 grams !!!!!

Mar 04 2006, 07:58 PM	#4934
widiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Bend, WI Posts: 2,144	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thank you that is actually dyed by me. __________________ www.widye.com www.ozdgc.com www.gldgc.com

Mar 05 2006, 02:24 AM	#4935
zj1977 Membership Expired Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: camp al asad,Iraq Posts: 65	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! hey dave i'm tyring to find the whole line of 1st run of the ce .I'm also trying to find the 1st see throu run of ce. I would like to get them in good condtion if i can. I already looked on e-bay nouthing I relly liked. If you could pont me in the right direction it would be geratful. Just pm me if you have any answer. __________________ dirty

Mar 05 2006, 08:55 AM	#4936
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Try Mark at discgolfvalues.com Mark has CE discs for sale on his web site, and you can ask him if he has what you're looking for. Tough set to complete, or should I say expensive. Good luck.

Mar 05 2006, 08:46 PM	#4937
bcary93 PDGA Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 331	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I got a DC ProD Challenger in a players pack. I like it and I wonder what Innova disc is most like it ? I think a Bulldog must be more overstable but I hope to try one of those soon.

Mar 05 2006, 09:02 PM	#4938
accidentalROLLER Membership Expired Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DGADDMF Posts: 2,072	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Aviars and challengers are almost identical. __________________ Boycott Sun King. Boycott Gateway.

Mar 05 2006, 09:11 PM	#4939
JRauch PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 228	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! a dx big bead flies very similar to a pro d challenger. The only thing is that the aviar is more domed and has way more glide.

Mar 05 2006, 11:02 PM	#4941
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Aviars are less overstable than chalengers

Mar 05 2006, 11:08 PM	#4942
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! you are probably talking about the Aviar P & A. Aren't Challengers copies of the (more stable) big bead Aviar? [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] (aka: JK Aviar-X, KC Pro Aviar, etc.)

Mar 05 2006, 11:54 PM	#4943
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Robj: you are mostly correct as far as my observations go. The thing that I've noticed that is different between the two is that the bead on the challenger is slightly wider and flatter than the more narrow and rounded bead on the big bead aviar.

Mar 06 2006, 09:04 AM	#4947
widiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Bend, WI Posts: 2,144	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Dave. I figured there had to be a batch run of CE stamped with 10X. How was the Memorial? __________________ www.widye.com www.ozdgc.com www.gldgc.com

Mar 06 2006, 11:37 AM	#4949
MTL21676 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 9,690	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, What new discs do you see coming out this year? I'm not looking for names or anything, but maybe a description of what you have in mind (i.e. when the roadrunner came out it was advertised as a less stable sidewinder - a description along that line would be great!) __________________ Robert Leonard - North Carolina State Coordinator Playing worlds in 2012? Stick around and play the Midtown Chiropractic Raleigh Disc Golf Championship! An A Tier and only a 2 1/2 hour drive from Charlotte!

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