Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Dave,
Zephyr without thumtrac? Was it a prototype or 1st run?
I haven´t seen many of those around..... ?

That was definitely a prototype. Not many of those made.

[davei]

I have a good question Dave! The Pro Wraith and Star Wraith! Diff Yes! The star wraith is taller when you stand it on there edge's, beside the pro wraith! So in theory if the diameter of the disc is longer it will fly different and in reality it is a different golf disc in a small manner! I look at these small aspect's of the game!

Yes, they do fly differently. The way the material shaped the disc, rather than the mold, made the difference.

[flynvegas]

The broken legged Gazelle stamp was the initial stamp, but I don't think it was on the Protos. Probably both stamps are on the same model, and they are both current Gazelles.

Wasn't the proto Gazelle released at the Worlds, '95 I think? Had a modified Star stamp and the word "Proto". The older Gazelle stamp is often refered to as the "Field Dress" stamp.

[thetruthxl]

if i'm not mistaken, the RAM has had the same stamp throughout all of it progresses.
BTW, how is the schedule for the rams?

thanks!

[drdyedcom]

Dave,

I personally throw mostly Innova plastic, I always have. I really like all the different plastics that you have produced in the last couple years. Its amazing to see how much the plastic has changed in just the short 7 years I have been playing DG.

I have one question about the star plastic...Is the star plastic a 50/50 mix of champion and pro plastics??? If so, why is the MSRP higher than champion by $1??? I am not trying to roc the boat(excuse the pun), I am just trying to understand why it would be MSRP'ed at more if the discs cost roughly half the price to make??? I understand that they are marketed to be almost as durable as champ and just as grippy as pro, so I get that there is possible "extra benifit" to the plastic as far as grip and durability are concerned to the player. But enought to offset the price to the player that much?? I dont know if you set the prices on discs so all I am asking I guess is if the star plastic is 50% champ and 50% pro plastics??

[HFDS184]

Dave, I'm sure you've had a chance to test the Star Avairs by now. Did they test well? What do they fly like? Any idea on a release date? FXs next?

One more thing. I've been reading posts about the retooled Beast, which you used for the Star line. Was there a reason why you didn't leave the original in the line and make the retool a Beast L? Not that it bothers me. The Champion beast I had was just about as overstable as my Champ Starfire, but I know some people liked it. Barry, for one.

Thanks,
Kent

[MARKB]

There are star aviars out there now, I have a couple, and a lot of people picked them up with tournament stamps at the Big Chill in Milwaukee, Wi

I have been putting with them for most of my rounds this week. They fly really nice, just like the putt and approach to me at least.

[quickdisc]

Are they driver stiff or Putter soft ?

[DSproAVIAR]

I have been putting with them for most of my rounds this week. They fly really nice, just like the putt and approach to me at least.

DAVE- There you go, a great response for a Star putter! Now you can run driver mold aviars in Star!!

Now a question- Are there plans for Glow Star discs? It's warm enough to glow in MI tonight!!

[MARKB]

Putter soft for sure

I would definately be interested in and would buy a bunch of Star Aviars if they were made in the "classic aviar" or Kc pro molds, and if they were really stiff

[jebbeer]

On the subjecy of glo, what is the CFR list looking like for this year? Any new champion glo discs?

[davei]

Wasn't the proto Gazelle released at the Worlds, '95 I think? Had a modified Star stamp and the word "Proto". The older Gazelle stamp is often refered to as the "Field Dress" stamp.

I don't remember. Sorry.

[davei]

if i'm not mistaken, the RAM has had the same stamp throughout all of it progresses.
BTW, how is the schedule for the rams?

thanks!

Still gonna be a while.

[davei]

Dave,

I personally throw mostly Innova plastic, I always have. I really like all the different plastics that you have produced in the last couple years. Its amazing to see how much the plastic has changed in just the short 7 years I have been playing DG.

I have one question about the star plastic...Is the star plastic a 50/50 mix of champion and pro plastics??? If so, why is the MSRP higher than champion by $1??? I am not trying to roc the boat(excuse the pun), I am just trying to understand why it would be MSRP'ed at more if the discs cost roughly half the price to make??? I understand that they are marketed to be almost as durable as champ and just as grippy as pro, so I get that there is possible "extra benifit" to the plastic as far as grip and durability are concerned to the player. But enought to offset the price to the player that much?? I dont know if you set the prices on discs so all I am asking I guess is if the star plastic is 50% champ and 50% pro plastics??

No, the Star plastic is not 50/50. It is all candy plus an additive.

[davei]

Dave, I'm sure you've had a chance to test the Star Avairs by now. Did they test well? What do they fly like? Any idea on a release date? FXs next?

One more thing. I've been reading posts about the retooled Beast, which you used for the Star line. Was there a reason why you didn't leave the original in the line and make the retool a Beast L? Not that it bothers me. The Champion beast I had was just about as overstable as my Champ Starfire, but I know some people liked it. Barry, for one.

Thanks,
Kent

Firebirds are coming closer. Probably three weeks til the start. The Star Aviar tested real well as far as driving approaching and putting. The only question will be how people like the feel, I think. This Aviar is very straight for everything.

We dropped the original Beast from the line as it was too similar to the Orc. We can still make the originals for a special offering, CFR, or for Barry, if he wanted.

[davei]

Are they driver stiff or Putter soft ?

They are in-between.

[davei]

DAVE- There you go, a great response for a Star putter! Now you can run driver mold aviars in Star!!

Now a question- Are there plans for Glow Star discs? It's warm enough to glow in MI tonight!!

I don't think we will be able to do glow Star. It's hard enough to do glow clear candy. Glow Star seems unlikely at this point.

[davei]

On the subjecy of glo, what is the CFR list looking like for this year? Any new champion glo discs?

We will be doing more glo in clear Champion, I believe, but we haven't decided which we will be doing yet.

[thetruthxl]

if i'm not mistaken, the RAM has had the same stamp throughout all of it progresses.
BTW, how is the schedule for the rams?

thanks!

Still gonna be a while.

Dave,
You're a heck of a guy to put up with my junk! Thanks for understanding. You know that I love innova and I am almost exclusively an Innova Champion Disc hucker...I still like to put my $.02 out there.

[davei]

[AviarX]

Dave, i read earlier that you said the STAR line is not replacing the Pro line provided the latter keep selling. I believe you said the Pro Starfire (all of which are SL) and the Pro Wraith sell very well. Is there any chance you would discontinue the Pro Beast and re-run Pro Orcs? Pro Orcs are my best disc by far and while i do have SB and Champ Orcs and like them, the Pro Orcs imo are the best driver disc ever.

Or, if a club or tournament wanted to do a special run of Pro Orcs, would that be do-able? If so how many would be the minimum?

thanks for your time.

[accidentalROLLER]

Dave, thanks in advance. 1st of all, I throw only Innova drivers and Discraft midranges. Have you ever thrown a Discraft Z-Buzzz or Z-Wasp? This may be sacrilidge, but I cannot find an Innova disc that flies the same as a Buzzz or Wasp. Sharks feel huge when I grip them, and Champ. Rocs are too expensive, and the Pro Rocs beat in too quickly.
What is the best disc for Dead straight flight when you rip it, handles the wind well, and has a predictable slight fade at the end?

[flynvegas]

Coyote

[AviarX]

Coyote or Aurora MS fly dead straight and hold any line if you don't throw with heavy off-axis torque. SB Roc is like a Z Buzzz (straight then finishes left, only it's a lot better) and you support a great disc golf event by purchasing one.

[veganray]

Proline Gremlin

[z Vaughn z]

Dave, thanks in advance. 1st of all, I throw only Innova drivers and Discraft midranges. Have you ever thrown a Discraft Z-Buzzz or Z-Wasp? This may be sacrilidge, but I cannot find an Innova disc that flies the same as a Buzzz or Wasp. Sharks feel huge when I grip them, and Champ. Rocs are too expensive, and the Pro Rocs beat in too quickly.
What is the best disc for Dead straight flight when you rip it, handles the wind well, and has a predictable slight fade at the end?

I used to throw Discraft midranges as you did. The reason I changed to rocs was because the buzz did not perform anhyzers and S shots to my liking and a wasp is basically a Roc. I'm now proud to say that I throw all Innova......except a flick for high, drop dead thumbers.

[20460chase]

Proline Gremlin

Your Gremmy must be beat to hell Ray. Ive had mine since day one and its still decently beefy.



Speaking of the world famous Gremlin, how long before

>>>>>>> STAR GREMLINS DAVE? <<<<<<<<<<<<

Thanks as always.

[DweLLeR]

Coyote! Pick a line...any line...thats where she will fly. However, maybe its just me but I have a 180 orange that is less stable than the 179 green and the 179 glow. Weird!

[20460chase]

I used to throw Discraft midranges as you did. The reason I changed to rocs was because the buzz did not perform anhyzers and S shots to my liking and a wasp is basically a Roc. I'm now proud to say that I throw all Innova......except a flick for high, drop dead thumbers.

You like the Flick better than the Monster or an FX?

[20460chase]

Coyote or Aurora MS fly dead straight and hold any line if you don't throw with heavy off-axis torque. SB Roc is like a Z Buzzz (straight then finishes left, only it's a lot better) and you support a great disc golf event by purchasing one.

Id try to find the Opaque QMS' if thats what your looking for. I stopped using them when the Coyote came out, mainly because of the distance I could get out of the Coyote. I think they are very similar, only the Coyote gets more lift, and a little more controlled distance.