Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 142

AviarX · Dec 28 2005, 11:03 AM

Upthread, Dave stated both the Star SL (L mold like the Pro Starfires) and the Star Starfire (regular more stable mold) will be released, i think by March. It would be nice to see a list announcing which discs will be released in STAR plastic and when -- but probably nothing is set in stone...

davei · Dec 28 2005, 12:01 PM

10up, there will be a Star Shark, but I think later in the Spring.

davei · Dec 28 2005, 12:06 PM

Yes, Star SL will be first in January. Regular Champion Starfire. Star Starfire will be later in the Spring, I believe. Nothing is set in stone, but Star Aeros and SLs are running now.

quickdisc · Dec 28 2005, 07:40 PM

Hey Dave , is the Star plastic pretty consistent through all the runs ?

sun_king · Dec 28 2005, 08:40 PM

Dave,

I was just going through some newer stock and noticed that I had a Pro Firebird marked FB. It resembles the FX mold to a degree, but the bottom half is considerably more "shallow" and has a lower overall profile when compared to a Champion Firebird and it's also missing the small "lip" on the outside edge. Any clues?

Happy New Year!
Mike Barnett

davei · Dec 28 2005, 09:05 PM

Donny, I think there is variation like all candy type plastic. It's mostly new to me, so I don't really know yet.

davei · Dec 28 2005, 09:08 PM

Mike, the Pro Firebirds were all FL type. Your description sounds consistent with that. FLs will be run in Star plastic in the future and marked as FL. Firebirds in Star will be F(X)molds and marked FB.

sun_king · Dec 29 2005, 10:28 AM

Dave,

It's definitely not an FL as there is a pronounced "curve" to the underside rim. It has the same profile height as the other FL's but not the same rim configuration. Maybe I'll drop it in the mail.

Thanks!
Mike

gokayaksteven · Dec 29 2005, 09:49 PM

hi Dave-- are the latest dx beasts out there the newer [L] mold? if so, how do these compare to the original dx beasts? these were perfect new. are the newer ones much less hi-speed stable than the older ones? thanks

Dec 30 2005, 02:55 AM

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Star Aeros and SLs are running now.

So far there have been Star Orcs, Star Wraiths, Star Sidewinders, Star Teebirds, Star Beasts, and Star Stingrays. Now Star Aeros and Star SLs are running. With this new plastic I would expect the most popular molds to be run first. Is the Aero that popular? I would have expected other molds like the Aviar, Firebird, and Eagle to come out before the Aero. FYI, I'm NOT complaining about the order of release, just curious as to how the order of release was decided.

Also, i'm impressed with how quickly you've released the varying molds in the new plastic.

Erroneous · Dec 30 2005, 11:09 AM

Thats probably some sort of marketing strategy

,

Dave, will the Monster be run in star plastic anytime soon?

davei · Dec 30 2005, 11:35 AM

steven, the newer Beasts are the L mold and are less high speed stable and have more carry. They are not a disc you would want to throw into a wind unless you expect a turn. The original DX Beasts were not that different from Orcs, in my opinion, and that is why I changed them.

davei · Dec 30 2005, 11:38 AM

The order of Star run is a combination of what was in the machines at the time, what we needed, and what we think will be most popular. I chose the Aero as it had a slight retool and I thought the Star plastic would be perfect for it.

davei · Dec 30 2005, 11:40 AM

the Star Monster is not on the schedule yet.

thetruthxl · Dec 30 2005, 02:02 PM

Hi Dave:
Happy New Year!

Any way I can convince you to run Star Rams?
You need a good overstable Star disc!!!

Seriously, we really appreciate everything you do...especially taking my Ram abuse!

Dec 30 2005, 04:03 PM

Thanks Dave for answering my question.

quickdisc · Dec 30 2005, 04:07 PM

Thanks Dave. Have a great New Years Holiday !!!!!!

Dec 31 2005, 12:37 AM

so who buys or throws arrows??????????????????

discchucker · Dec 31 2005, 09:19 AM

You mean aero's? I don't personally...but I know some of our top advanced guys use them on tight/technical courses.

Erroneous · Dec 31 2005, 09:57 AM

Nolan Grider uses Aero's

Dec 31 2005, 01:40 PM

so does Mitch McClellan. "OLD BLUE!!!"

hitec100 · Dec 31 2005, 02:20 PM

I do, too! (Okay, I'm nobody, but I do!)

HFDS184 · Dec 31 2005, 02:46 PM

Just want to put in my vote for the Star FBs (X) to be run very soon.

greenbeard · Dec 31 2005, 04:38 PM

no love for the monster

gregbrowning · Dec 31 2005, 10:29 PM

Quote:

no love for the monster

Not everyone is down on the Monster. In fact, you might find one of mine in a tree on hole 9 at Z Boaz.

greenbeard · Jan 02 2006, 12:09 PM

If its pearly white I'm throwing it now

20460chase · Jan 03 2006, 05:08 PM

Hi Dave. I was wondering about the ratios for X outs in the Star plastic. Is it better or the same as Champion and Pro? Also, when will Star X outs be available and will all X outs now have the Innova factory Second stamp or will the X stamps continue?

davei · Jan 03 2006, 05:45 PM

Hi Chase. The ratio is about the same. Maybe a little lower for Star. Pro has the least rejects of the three. X outs should be available now. I don't know what stamp they will have.

smurphy29 · Jan 03 2006, 06:16 PM

Star FireBird (X) would be awesome. Would be a great disc.

discchucker · Jan 03 2006, 07:30 PM

Star Whippet-X....would be just like the sweet 10x Whippet's I bet...

Dec 28 2005, 11:03 AM	#4231
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Upthread, Dave stated both the Star SL (L mold like the Pro Starfires) and the Star Starfire (regular more stable mold) will be released, i think by March. It would be nice to see a list announcing which discs will be released in STAR plastic and when -- but probably nothing is set in stone...

Dec 28 2005, 12:01 PM	#4232
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! 10up, there will be a Star Shark, but I think later in the Spring. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 28 2005, 12:06 PM	#4233
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Yes, Star SL will be first in January. Regular Champion Starfire. Star Starfire will be later in the Spring, I believe. Nothing is set in stone, but Star Aeros and SLs are running now. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 28 2005, 07:40 PM	#4234
quickdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: America\'s Finest City SD,CA. Posts: 6,186	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hey Dave , is the Star plastic pretty consistent through all the runs ?

Dec 28 2005, 08:40 PM	#4235
sun_king Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sunny, FL Posts: 425	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I was just going through some newer stock and noticed that I had a Pro Firebird marked FB. It resembles the FX mold to a degree, but the bottom half is considerably more "shallow" and has a lower overall profile when compared to a Champion Firebird and it's also missing the small "lip" on the outside edge. Any clues? Happy New Year! Mike Barnett

Dec 28 2005, 09:05 PM	#4236
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Donny, I think there is variation like all candy type plastic. It's mostly new to me, so I don't really know yet. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 28 2005, 09:08 PM	#4237
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Mike, the Pro Firebirds were all FL type. Your description sounds consistent with that. FLs will be run in Star plastic in the future and marked as FL. Firebirds in Star will be F(X)molds and marked FB. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 29 2005, 10:28 AM	#4238
sun_king Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sunny, FL Posts: 425	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, It's definitely not an FL as there is a pronounced "curve" to the underside rim. It has the same profile height as the other FL's but not the same rim configuration. Maybe I'll drop it in the mail. Thanks! Mike

Dec 29 2005, 09:49 PM	#4239
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! hi Dave-- are the latest dx beasts out there the newer [L] mold? if so, how do these compare to the original dx beasts? these were perfect new. are the newer ones much less hi-speed stable than the older ones? thanks

Dec 30 2005, 11:09 AM	#4241
Erroneous PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 922	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thats probably some sort of marketing strategy , Dave, will the Monster be run in star plastic anytime soon?

Dec 30 2005, 11:35 AM	#4242
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! steven, the newer Beasts are the L mold and are less high speed stable and have more carry. They are not a disc you would want to throw into a wind unless you expect a turn. The original DX Beasts were not that different from Orcs, in my opinion, and that is why I changed them. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 30 2005, 11:38 AM	#4243
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! The order of Star run is a combination of what was in the machines at the time, what we needed, and what we think will be most popular. I chose the Aero as it had a slight retool and I thought the Star plastic would be perfect for it. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 30 2005, 11:40 AM	#4244
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! the Star Monster is not on the schedule yet. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 30 2005, 02:02 PM	#4245
thetruthxl Community Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Home of the 2008 Worlds Posts: 973	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Dave: Happy New Year! Any way I can convince you to run Star Rams? You need a good overstable Star disc!!! Seriously, we really appreciate everything you do...especially taking my Ram abuse!

Dec 30 2005, 04:03 PM	#4246
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Dave for answering my question.

Dec 30 2005, 04:07 PM	#4247
quickdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: America\'s Finest City SD,CA. Posts: 6,186	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Dave. Have a great New Years Holiday !!!!!!

Dec 31 2005, 12:37 AM	#4248
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discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! You mean aero's? I don't personally...but I know some of our top advanced guys use them on tight/technical courses. __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Dec 31 2005, 09:57 AM	#4250
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Dec 31 2005, 01:40 PM	#4251
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Dec 31 2005, 02:46 PM	#4253
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20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Dave. I was wondering about the ratios for X outs in the Star plastic. Is it better or the same as Champion and Pro? Also, when will Star X outs be available and will all X outs now have the Innova factory Second stamp or will the X stamps continue? __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Jan 03 2006, 05:45 PM	#4258
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Chase. The ratio is about the same. Maybe a little lower for Star. Pro has the least rejects of the three. X outs should be available now. I don't know what stamp they will have. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Jan 03 2006, 06:16 PM	#4259
smurphy29 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochester, IL Posts: 272	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Star FireBird (X) would be awesome. Would be a great disc. __________________ I need to make a living with some type of disc golf business!

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discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Star Whippet-X....would be just like the sweet 10x Whippet's I bet... __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

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