Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 140

discchucker · Dec 15 2005, 12:48 PM

What? No Teebird for the straight and narrow?

DSproAVIAR · Dec 15 2005, 02:00 PM

Dave! I got myself an orange star TB today, and I have a question. Did you repair or tweak the CA. Teebird mold since the old stamp 11x's were run? I've found that the newer run CA. TB's are less high speed stable. What do you think?

schwaggies · Dec 15 2005, 02:16 PM

Thanks Dave, i don't have your arm strength but i need more room to work those discs too (Wraith, Starfire, ORC). I may need to bust out that old disc ace disc (Thanks NINA FO FI TRE) one of the only aces at Copperhead Canyon in Tulsa with a VIKING!!!!

SWEET!!!

davei · Dec 15 2005, 05:34 PM

DSPro, no tweaking, just differences between runs and individual discs. The differences I've found have been between just high speed stable and slightly overstable high speed. Flatter discs are a little more low speed overstable. I personally like slightly overstable with a medium dome. After I use it for a while it turns into a long fast Roc.

davei · Dec 15 2005, 05:49 PM

discchucker, no TeeBird, but a TL will do it too.

discchucker · Dec 15 2005, 06:20 PM

Mmmm...Star TL...

hint...hint

AviarX · Dec 15 2005, 10:01 PM

Dave, today i received two SB (STAR) Rocs, an SB (STAR) Orc, a Glow Coyote, a Ch Coyote, and a Ch Orc in the mail after working out 2 big trades. Plus I recently bought 3 Ch. Roadrunners, an SB Orc, a Ch. Wraith and 2 Ch. Coyotes -- none of the above have yet been thrown. It's snowing hard right now and with all this sweet candy in front of me it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas!

Thanks for all the great discs you've brought us -- it takes the bah humbug right out of the holiday season

mattdisc · Dec 16 2005, 05:37 PM

Dave, Thanks for the Xmas Disc from Innova, a sweet holiday stamp on a white starwinder. I might not throw this one unlike last years Champ Sidewinder w/Santa, which is still in the bag!

Have a Happy Holiday and I'm looking forward to the Star Stingray.

quickdisc · Dec 16 2005, 06:22 PM

Sounds nice !!!!

esalazar · Dec 19 2005, 01:45 PM

Dave, will star wraiths and star orcs be available as cfr's (for other events) prior to both am and pro worlds? I thought i read ,in the past, that these would be exclusive to worlds until the events take place!!

davei · Dec 19 2005, 03:19 PM

efrain, the Star Wraith will be out soon and has already done most of its job for the PDGA Worlds. The Star Orc will not be available in normal distribution until the Am Worlds, or until we are satisfied it has done what we wanted it to for the Am Worlds.

WakandaRat · Dec 19 2005, 03:35 PM

Any future in a star banshee ? oooohhhhhh

z Vaughn z · Dec 19 2005, 04:02 PM

Dave,
Is there any way to order a stack of 4-time Aviar X's? I love that disc....especially the Yellow ones, but I lost my only yellow 4-time.

discchucker · Dec 19 2005, 09:10 PM

Dave:

Is the new Star Beast in the newly tweaked Beast mold or is it in the old mold?

quickdisc · Dec 19 2005, 10:14 PM

My interest in the Star Aviar keeps me awake some nights.

Will it be soft like the putters or stiffer like the drivers ?

AviarX · Dec 19 2005, 11:59 PM

Donny, with that latest rating you keep it up you might become sponsored (assuming you aren't). I'd like to see you catch on fire and win Worlds. Next up: the Donny Olow Aviar.

I know some think Des deserves a disc but anyone who has as many Aviars as you and who stays up nights wondering about the next Aviar model deserves consideration imo

davei · Dec 20 2005, 02:08 PM

eric, there is a future, but it is not soon.

davei · Dec 20 2005, 02:10 PM

Orc and Mindy, you could check with discgolfvalues or zonedriven, or possible on this message board.

davei · Dec 20 2005, 02:11 PM

discchucker, the Star Beast is the new tweaked mold.

davei · Dec 20 2005, 02:12 PM

Donny, probably in between.

quickdisc · Dec 20 2005, 04:50 PM

Cool !!!!! Thanks Dave !!!!!! I'll sleep better now !!!!

HFDS184 · Dec 20 2005, 06:34 PM

Hi Dave. I've been reading the 2006 USDGC Roc thread. I'm reading some good, some bad, some say theirs are floppy, some not. I just bought a 176g one off eBay, white with the claw stamp, but i haven't received it yet. What's your take on them? Rigidity? Durability? Stability?

Thanks,
Kent "The Colonel" Bray
Houston

HFDS184 · Dec 20 2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

discchucker, the Star Beast is the new tweaked mold.

Dave, I quit playing not long after the Beast was introduced onto the market. I've thrown them around, but not a lot. What's the difference between the original and the tweaked molds as far as flight charecteristics?

discchucker · Dec 20 2005, 07:26 PM

Not to answer for Dave, but the tweaked mold is less high speed stable. So it's going to turn right a bit more for the RHBH throwers.

discchucker · Dec 20 2005, 07:27 PM

And Dave...got two yellow star teebirds today...sweet plastic. Without a doubt the closest thing to the creamy 10x plastic that we all love so much.

smurphy29 · Dec 20 2005, 08:22 PM

I'm glad to hear that description of the new star plastic. I have two 10X teebirds that I love that plastic. I also bought several early run proline leopards that are close to the 10X plastic. Now I need to order about 10 of those star beast.

davei · Dec 20 2005, 08:27 PM

Kent, I haven't thrown this year's Rocs so I don't have a personal take. I am reading the same things you are. As for the tweaked Beast. The original Beast was very similar to the Orc. I tweaked it to give it more turn and more glide.

colin-evans · Dec 20 2005, 11:46 PM

what is the diff between the new beast and Starfire L(they look very similar in profile)? also when can we expect a star SFL?

thanks

ce

davei · Dec 21 2005, 07:11 AM

ce the new Beast should not look similar to the Starfire, unless you are comparing it to the Star SL (Starfire L). The Starfire has a similar profile to a TeeBird. As far as flight comparisons: The Beast has more high speed turn, than the SL. The Star FL will probably be out in Spring.

AviarX · Dec 21 2005, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Rob, I agree that the Starfire has a little more high speed stability, but I don't think it has more low speed fade. You don't throw TeeBirds???

Dave, I believe i heard from a pretty good source that you don't throw TeeBirds

Even more shocking, i heard you don't throw Rocs

And, until the recent addition to your bag of Coyotes, before that you threw JK Aviars for your short drives, midrange and approach shots, and for putting.

i had to throw that out there because i saw someone with a tagline quoting your above question to me (minus the emoticons)

btw, i love the Coyote and Roadrunner. I am going to replace Sidewinders with Roadrunners -- i love the way they feel in my hand and the flight characteristics are nice too. Thanks for that tip about throwing understable discs nose up to get them to go straight. Have yourself a merry little Christmas...

Dec 15 2005, 12:48 PM	#4171
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! What? No Teebird for the straight and narrow? __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Dec 15 2005, 02:00 PM	#4172
DSproAVIAR PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Skillet Posts: 2,506	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave! I got myself an orange star TB today, and I have a question. Did you repair or tweak the CA. Teebird mold since the old stamp 11x's were run? I've found that the newer run CA. TB's are less high speed stable. What do you think?

Dec 15 2005, 02:16 PM	#4173
schwaggies Membership Expired Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: spinnin cheese Posts: 355	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Dave, i don't have your arm strength but i need more room to work those discs too (Wraith, Starfire, ORC). I may need to bust out that old disc ace disc (Thanks NINA FO FI TRE) one of the only aces at Copperhead Canyon in Tulsa with a VIKING!!!! SWEET!!! __________________ WHAT YOU TALKIN BOUT WILLIS!!!!!

Dec 15 2005, 05:34 PM	#4174
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! DSPro, no tweaking, just differences between runs and individual discs. The differences I've found have been between just high speed stable and slightly overstable high speed. Flatter discs are a little more low speed overstable. I personally like slightly overstable with a medium dome. After I use it for a while it turns into a long fast Roc. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 15 2005, 05:49 PM	#4175
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! discchucker, no TeeBird, but a TL will do it too. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 15 2005, 06:20 PM	#4176
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Mmmm...Star TL... hint...hint __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Dec 15 2005, 10:01 PM	#4177
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, today i received two SB (STAR) Rocs, an SB (STAR) Orc, a Glow Coyote, a Ch Coyote, and a Ch Orc in the mail after working out 2 big trades. Plus I recently bought 3 Ch. Roadrunners, an SB Orc, a Ch. Wraith and 2 Ch. Coyotes -- none of the above have yet been thrown. It's snowing hard right now and with all this sweet candy in front of me it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas! Thanks for all the great discs you've brought us -- it takes the bah humbug right out of the holiday season

Dec 16 2005, 05:37 PM	#4178
mattdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Swamps of Joisey Posts: 346	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, Thanks for the Xmas Disc from Innova, a sweet holiday stamp on a white starwinder. I might not throw this one unlike last years Champ Sidewinder w/Santa, which is still in the bag! Have a Happy Holiday and I'm looking forward to the Star Stingray.

Dec 16 2005, 06:22 PM	#4179
quickdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: America\'s Finest City SD,CA. Posts: 6,186	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Sounds nice !!!!

Dec 19 2005, 01:45 PM	#4180
esalazar Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: central texas Posts: 6,355	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, will star wraiths and star orcs be available as cfr's (for other events) prior to both am and pro worlds? I thought i read ,in the past, that these would be exclusive to worlds until the events take place!! __________________ !!!!REST IN PEACE Ricky Wright !!

Dec 19 2005, 03:19 PM	#4181
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! efrain, the Star Wraith will be out soon and has already done most of its job for the PDGA Worlds. The Star Orc will not be available in normal distribution until the Am Worlds, or until we are satisfied it has done what we wanted it to for the Am Worlds. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 19 2005, 03:35 PM	#4182
WakandaRat Membership Expired Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hammond, WI Posts: 263	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Any future in a star banshee ? oooohhhhhh

Dec 19 2005, 04:02 PM	#4183
z Vaughn z PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 1,024	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, Is there any way to order a stack of 4-time Aviar X's? I love that disc....especially the Yellow ones, but I lost my only yellow 4-time.

Dec 19 2005, 09:10 PM	#4184
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave: Is the new Star Beast in the newly tweaked Beast mold or is it in the old mold? __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Dec 19 2005, 10:14 PM	#4185
quickdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: America\'s Finest City SD,CA. Posts: 6,186	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! My interest in the Star Aviar keeps me awake some nights. Will it be soft like the putters or stiffer like the drivers ?

Dec 19 2005, 11:59 PM	#4186
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Donny, with that latest rating you keep it up you might become sponsored (assuming you aren't). I'd like to see you catch on fire and win Worlds. Next up: the Donny Olow Aviar. I know some think Des deserves a disc but anyone who has as many Aviars as you and who stays up nights wondering about the next Aviar model deserves consideration imo

Dec 20 2005, 02:08 PM	#4187
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! eric, there is a future, but it is not soon. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 20 2005, 02:10 PM	#4188
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Orc and Mindy, you could check with discgolfvalues or zonedriven, or possible on this message board. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 20 2005, 02:11 PM	#4189
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! discchucker, the Star Beast is the new tweaked mold. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 20 2005, 02:12 PM	#4190
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Donny, probably in between. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 20 2005, 04:50 PM	#4191
quickdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: America\'s Finest City SD,CA. Posts: 6,186	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Cool !!!!! Thanks Dave !!!!!! I'll sleep better now !!!!

Dec 20 2005, 06:34 PM	#4192
HFDS184 Community Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Humble (Atascocita), Tx Posts: 375	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Dave. I've been reading the 2006 USDGC Roc thread. I'm reading some good, some bad, some say theirs are floppy, some not. I just bought a 176g one off eBay, white with the claw stamp, but i haven't received it yet. What's your take on them? Rigidity? Durability? Stability? Thanks, Kent "The Colonel" Bray Houston

Dec 20 2005, 07:26 PM	#4194
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Not to answer for Dave, but the tweaked mold is less high speed stable. So it's going to turn right a bit more for the RHBH throwers. __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Dec 20 2005, 07:27 PM	#4195
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! And Dave...got two yellow star teebirds today...sweet plastic. Without a doubt the closest thing to the creamy 10x plastic that we all love so much. __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Dec 20 2005, 08:22 PM	#4196
smurphy29 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochester, IL Posts: 272	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I'm glad to hear that description of the new star plastic. I have two 10X teebirds that I love that plastic. I also bought several early run proline leopards that are close to the 10X plastic. Now I need to order about 10 of those star beast. __________________ I need to make a living with some type of disc golf business!

Dec 20 2005, 08:27 PM	#4197
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Kent, I haven't thrown this year's Rocs so I don't have a personal take. I am reading the same things you are. As for the tweaked Beast. The original Beast was very similar to the Orc. I tweaked it to give it more turn and more glide. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 20 2005, 11:46 PM	#4198
colin-evans Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 281	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! what is the diff between the new beast and Starfire L(they look very similar in profile)? also when can we expect a star SFL? thanks ce __________________ UP and at THEM

Dec 21 2005, 07:11 AM	#4199
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! ce the new Beast should not look similar to the Starfire, unless you are comparing it to the Star SL (Starfire L). The Starfire has a similar profile to a TeeBird. As far as flight comparisons: The Beast has more high speed turn, than the SL. The Star FL will probably be out in Spring. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

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