Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 136

AviarX · Dec 07 2005, 11:48 PM

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Just to be clear; we decided to call the L version Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds, FLs, SLs, and TLs. The regular Star Firebirds, Starfires, and TeeBirds will all be X type.

i like the idea. not to be a pain Dave, but does that mean that the Pro Starfires will soon be stamped as Pro SL's?

also, i'm not really serious, but --
did you consider having fine print that reads "L" = Less stable, not Leopard bottom?

20165 · Dec 08 2005, 02:37 AM

Hey Dave,
Question about the Star FL's?? Terry Miller is running 2007 Am Worlds in Milwaukee Wi, so I was wondering, would it be possiable to have the Star Firebird as a Fundrasier for 2007??
Just a thought, the Tulsa Fundraiser is doing GREAT, and I hope Milwaukee can do the same!!!

davei · Dec 08 2005, 08:29 AM

Rob, I think we are going to keep the Pro the same. IE Pro Starfire even though it is the L mold.

davei · Dec 08 2005, 08:36 AM

Zac, it is possible. Don't know how likely. I am very happy with how the fundraisers have worked with Tulsa and Augusta though.

widiscgolf · Dec 08 2005, 09:12 AM

Hope they weren't a dealer. Because $10.99 is lower than the set minimal price by Innova. They're not to sell them lower than that I believe.

esalazar · Dec 08 2005, 10:22 AM

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Hope they weren't a dealer. Because $10.99 is lower than the set minimal price by Innova. They're not to sell them lower than that I believe.

I have heard that there is going to be a crack down (so to speak) on businesses like such which are selling so far under msrp!!!!

jared11 · Dec 08 2005, 10:32 AM

why would that be a problem??.they are just not making any money, they are making money of the sales of what the golfers buy other than discs. i am pretty sure MSRP is a suggested retail price

esalazar · Dec 08 2005, 10:38 AM

it is suggested retail price however it is a little more involved than those simple words!!

jared11 · Dec 08 2005, 10:48 AM

explain. i am looking at a catalog right now

my_hero · Dec 08 2005, 10:52 AM

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why would that be a problem??.they are just not making any money, they are making money of the sales of what the golfers buy other than discs. i am pretty sure MSRP is a suggested retail price

Right on Jared!!!!

Innova and Discraft sell these discs for what they want(making the $$$ that they want off of the discs), which gives the purchasers of these discs the option to sell for whatever they want. God Bless the USA!

jared11 · Dec 08 2005, 10:55 AM

whats up man?? you gonna be in tyler this weekend by any chance??? nice showing last weekend by the way

discglfr · Dec 08 2005, 11:19 AM

I don't frequent this thread nor do I have discs in mind that I want to beg Dave for but since someone pointed this post out to me I figured I'd pipe in regarding this specific post. (Rumors and posts like this is exactly why I hate message boards)

Zac,

All major manufacturers have typically been pretty gracious to the various Worlds Projects. I'm guessing that Innova, Discraft, DGA, Etc will be the same for 2007.

I know you asked me about the idea of a fund-raiser disc and I'm certainly all for it. However, you are not on the immediate staff of the Worlds so I think it is VERY premmature for you to be asking about a disc of YOUR choice as a fundraiser. What if Innova offers the hottest selling disc on the planet at the time we start Worlds fundraising? Then would the rest of the world really want a Firebird Star FL?

I'm just asking that you be patient and let the cards fall as they may. I do appreciate your interest in making Worlds successful but we have to take one step at a time here.

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Hey Dave,
Question about the Star FL's?? Terry Miller is running 2007 Am Worlds in Milwaukee Wi, so I was wondering, would it be possiable to have the Star Firebird as a Fundrasier for 2007??
Just a thought, the Tulsa Fundraiser is doing GREAT, and I hope Milwaukee can do the same!!!

Erroneous · Dec 08 2005, 12:06 PM

Dave,
Have you ever tried to run a firebird or monster in a mini mold? The avair mini is awsome but i flip it over alot when i really try to rip one

It would be nice to have a mini to throw overhand and trick shots with + would make a sweet stocking stuffer
ho ho ho

davei · Dec 08 2005, 12:35 PM

erroneous, we have thought about a driver type mini, but didn't think the cost of the tooling would be justified by the demand. It might be cool however, to be able to throw a mini over 300 ft.

20460chase · Dec 08 2005, 12:46 PM

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Dave,
Have you ever tried to run a firebird or monster in a mini mold? The avair mini is awsome but i flip it over alot when i really try to rip one

It would be nice to have a mini to throw overhand and trick shots with + would make a sweet stocking stuffer
ho ho ho

Driver mold minis would be sweet. I heard another company is talking about it as well.

You can throw overheads w/ Champion Avair Minis. I get the most distance that way. It takes a little practice.

ellswrth · Dec 08 2005, 01:15 PM

how many would you need to sell in order to make it worth Innova's while? How many presales would it take?

I've been dreaming of a mini-firebird or something over-stable for a long time.

MK

Moderator005 · Dec 08 2005, 01:19 PM

Mini Disc Golf Federation

I've been told that some of these guys can already throw currently existing minis over 300 feet.

I'm sure they would certainly be interested in a new driver mold mini.

bruce_brakel · Dec 08 2005, 01:48 PM

Every time I get a new kind of mini from Discraft or Innova everyone wants one. Minis are like dyed discs: it makes no sense but players want them. A driver mold mini would sell like tiny hotcakes.

Boneman · Dec 08 2005, 02:00 PM

I would dig having some mini drivers ... what a great idea!

Dec 08 2005, 02:02 PM

i want a roc and a firebird to complete my mini bag.

gregbrowning · Dec 08 2005, 02:28 PM

Dave,

I finally got to feel the Star plastic for the first time today, and now I see what the hype is all about. Not sure if this has been asked before, but is there any chance of a Star Roc being on the slate, or would that be more likely to go as a fundraiser disc?

xterramatt · Dec 08 2005, 02:28 PM

When you say mini hotcakes, I think you mean "silver dollars".

them's yummy.

jebbeer · Dec 08 2005, 02:32 PM

I believe the star roc has aready been produced as this year's Champion Roc, which is a fundraiser for the USDGC. The special blend plastic is the same as star.

gregbrowning · Dec 08 2005, 02:36 PM

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I believe the star roc has aready been produced as this year's Champion Roc, which is a fundraiser for the USDGC. The special blend plastic is the same as star.

If that is the case, then they also made "regular" Champion Rocs as well, because that's what the Flagstick Rocs are.

davei · Dec 08 2005, 02:47 PM

Both type Rocs were produced for USDGC. The Special Blend (Star) were done in Ontario style.

Greatzky2 · Dec 08 2005, 06:07 PM

OK!!
I got my Star teebirds today... Dave... is it safe for me to say that these are not the same plastic as Special Blend Orcs or Rocs from '05????

This seems to be the order of plastic for me:
Nighshift orcs: Most grippy, most opaque, and most Stiff

Special Blend orcs/rocs: Little slicker.. A little more Opaque.. STill like champion plastic stiffness..

STar teebirds: NOTHING LIKE the other 2.. Slick look but grippy, SOFT LIKE pro.. and the most Translucent...

Could you justify this for me?

-Scott Lewis

20460chase · Dec 08 2005, 06:08 PM

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Mini Disc Golf Federation

I've been told that some of these guys can already throw currently existing minis over 300 feet.

I'm sure they would certainly be interested in a new driver mold mini.

Its not that big a deal to throw em far. We had a mini league here for awhile, using the DGA Mini baskets that a local TD used as 1st Place Tropheys, and Chings and homemades to cover the rest. We traveled to other parks in the cities, set up temp courses and went to town. It appealed to alot of people, though some were unsure what we doing and thought it was actual disc golf. Driving is pretty easy, putting is alot more difficult.

IMO, the Champion Aviar is by far the best mini out. They work great for any shot, including overheads and rollers. The small Little Flyers are like throwing Champion Whippets. Ive seen alot of people have luck with the Champion Aero...upsidedown.

Boneman · Dec 08 2005, 06:26 PM

Rolling a mini disc ... now that's something I have to see!

Greatzky2 · Dec 08 2005, 06:46 PM

anyone else notice that the White Star discs feel and look just like Pro plastic?? the blue, yellow, and red so far feel all the same and are very grippy, but the white max weight STB i have is very slick and Pro plastic like... HOpe that it gets grippy and holds up like the others..

I'll have a field report after this weekend.

-Scott Lewis

quickdisc · Dec 08 2005, 06:48 PM

I rolled my aluminum mini , down the hallway at the shopping mall....................must have gone over 500 !!!!

Dec 08 2005, 02:37 AM	#4052
20165 Community Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 108	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hey Dave, Question about the Star FL's?? Terry Miller is running 2007 Am Worlds in Milwaukee Wi, so I was wondering, would it be possiable to have the Star Firebird as a Fundrasier for 2007?? Just a thought, the Tulsa Fundraiser is doing GREAT, and I hope Milwaukee can do the same!!!

Dec 08 2005, 08:29 AM	#4053
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Rob, I think we are going to keep the Pro the same. IE Pro Starfire even though it is the L mold. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 08 2005, 08:36 AM	#4054
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Zac, it is possible. Don't know how likely. I am very happy with how the fundraisers have worked with Tulsa and Augusta though. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 08 2005, 09:12 AM	#4055
widiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Bend, WI Posts: 2,144	Re: ask dave d Hope they weren't a dealer. Because $10.99 is lower than the set minimal price by Innova. They're not to sell them lower than that I believe. __________________ www.widye.com www.ozdgc.com www.gldgc.com

Dec 08 2005, 10:32 AM	#4057
jared11 PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 297	Re: ask dave d why would that be a problem??.they are just not making any money, they are making money of the sales of what the golfers buy other than discs. i am pretty sure MSRP is a suggested retail price

Dec 08 2005, 10:38 AM	#4058
esalazar Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: central texas Posts: 6,355	Re: ask dave d it is suggested retail price however it is a little more involved than those simple words!! __________________ !!!!REST IN PEACE Ricky Wright !!

Dec 08 2005, 10:48 AM	#4059
jared11 PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 297	Re: ask dave d explain. i am looking at a catalog right now

Dec 08 2005, 10:55 AM	#4061
jared11 PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 297	Re: ask dave d whats up man?? you gonna be in tyler this weekend by any chance??? nice showing last weekend by the way

Dec 08 2005, 12:06 PM	#4063
Erroneous PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 922	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, Have you ever tried to run a firebird or monster in a mini mold? The avair mini is awsome but i flip it over alot when i really try to rip one It would be nice to have a mini to throw overhand and trick shots with + would make a sweet stocking stuffer ho ho ho

Dec 08 2005, 12:35 PM	#4064
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! erroneous, we have thought about a driver type mini, but didn't think the cost of the tooling would be justified by the demand. It might be cool however, to be able to throw a mini over 300 ft. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 08 2005, 01:15 PM	#4066
ellswrth PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 372	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! how many would you need to sell in order to make it worth Innova's while? How many presales would it take? I've been dreaming of a mini-firebird or something over-stable for a long time. MK

Dec 08 2005, 01:19 PM	#4067
Moderator005 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,880	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Mini Disc Golf Federation I've been told that some of these guys can already throw currently existing minis over 300 feet. I'm sure they would certainly be interested in a new driver mold mini.

Dec 08 2005, 01:48 PM	#4068
bruce_brakel PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dying More Discs Posts: 5,571	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Every time I get a new kind of mini from Discraft or Innova everyone wants one. Minis are like dyed discs: it makes no sense but players want them. A driver mold mini would sell like tiny hotcakes. __________________ Circuit court staff attorney - 25 years. My judge must retire. Looking for employment.

Dec 08 2005, 02:00 PM	#4069
Boneman Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 915	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I would dig having some mini drivers ... what a great idea!

Dec 08 2005, 02:02 PM	#4070
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! i want a roc and a firebird to complete my mini bag.

Dec 08 2005, 02:28 PM	#4071
gregbrowning PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 575	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I finally got to feel the Star plastic for the first time today, and now I see what the hype is all about. Not sure if this has been asked before, but is there any chance of a Star Roc being on the slate, or would that be more likely to go as a fundraiser disc? __________________ think about it

Dec 08 2005, 02:28 PM	#4072
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! When you say mini hotcakes, I think you mean "silver dollars". them's yummy. __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

Dec 08 2005, 02:32 PM	#4073
jebbeer Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: DownEast of I-95 Posts: 270	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I believe the star roc has aready been produced as this year's Champion Roc, which is a fundraiser for the USDGC. The special blend plastic is the same as star.

Dec 08 2005, 02:47 PM	#4075
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Both type Rocs were produced for USDGC. The Special Blend (Star) were done in Ontario style. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Dec 08 2005, 06:07 PM	#4076
Greatzky2 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: South Jersey Posts: 379	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! OK!! I got my Star teebirds today... Dave... is it safe for me to say that these are not the same plastic as Special Blend Orcs or Rocs from '05???? This seems to be the order of plastic for me: Nighshift orcs: Most grippy, most opaque, and most Stiff Special Blend orcs/rocs: Little slicker.. A little more Opaque.. STill like champion plastic stiffness.. STar teebirds: NOTHING LIKE the other 2.. Slick look but grippy, SOFT LIKE pro.. and the most Translucent... Could you justify this for me? -Scott Lewis

Dec 08 2005, 06:26 PM	#4078
Boneman Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 915	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Rolling a mini disc ... now that's something I have to see!

Dec 08 2005, 06:46 PM	#4079
Greatzky2 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: South Jersey Posts: 379	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! anyone else notice that the White Star discs feel and look just like Pro plastic?? the blue, yellow, and red so far feel all the same and are very grippy, but the white max weight STB i have is very slick and Pro plastic like... HOpe that it gets grippy and holds up like the others.. I'll have a field report after this weekend. -Scott Lewis

Dec 08 2005, 06:48 PM	#4080
quickdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: America\'s Finest City SD,CA. Posts: 6,186	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I rolled my aluminum mini , down the hallway at the shopping mall....................must have gone over 500 !!!!

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