Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 131

20460chase · Nov 20 2005, 03:26 AM

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By the way, it was 87 degrees today.

Thats just wrong........ Snow expected Tuesday. Again.

jaymo · Nov 20 2005, 03:45 AM

Fog and 10 degrees (in real temperature, none of this farenheit nonsense)

jaymo · Nov 20 2005, 03:47 AM

Quote:

By the way, it was 87 degrees today.

Thats just wrong........ Snow expected Tuesday. Again.

I did the math... and just realized what 87 degrees means in celcius...

**** that is wrong!!!

slo · Nov 21 2005, 03:56 PM

Dave, you were mentioning the latest Aero was a 'correction' of the "re-tooled" Aero, which had a bit of drift...how do I tell the difference?

...how are they different from the circa 1983 Aero?

...why is this one of the few Innova discs with the name molded-into the bottom?

davei · Nov 21 2005, 04:09 PM

Slo, it's difficult to tell. The nose is a little flatter but you would have to have the two versions next to each other to tell. The are exactly the same as the original version as far as flight goes. We Aero on the bottom as it is a unique disc that doesn't share any parts with any other disc.

slo · Nov 21 2005, 04:22 PM

I certainly does seem unique. I got a used one from Mike Williams; it does drift a tad. But I can throw it about 260'; much farther than I can manage with an Aviar, and without fade. That's useful!!

...er, which version has the flatter nose?

rob · Nov 22 2005, 11:13 AM

Will the STAR Teebirds be available before Christmas? Can you tell we're just a little excited about new plastic?

Thanks Dave for all you do!

davei · Nov 22 2005, 01:11 PM

rob, yes the Star Tees should be available in 2 weeks.....I hope. The Star Sidewinders should be available today.

hawkgammon · Nov 22 2005, 03:09 PM

Dave,

Will the Eagle get the STAR treatment? Us Eagle throwers are still smarting from our Pro plastic snub.

Thanks.

davei · Nov 22 2005, 07:56 PM

Hawk, yes Eagle will get the Star treatment it deserves.

accidentalROLLER · Nov 22 2005, 09:06 PM

Dave, is the stamp on the Star Sidewinders at Zonedriven (which are sweet by the way) going to be on all runs, or just the 1st runs?

davei · Nov 22 2005, 09:53 PM

AR, I believe it is the regular stamp.

Greatzky2 · Nov 22 2005, 10:25 PM

Hey dave.
Long time no chat. My account got erased in the last crash and they couldn't restore it(it's Greatzky! )

anyway.. I thought that the "Star" Discs were going to the same price as the regular Champion discs? on zonedriven's site they are CFR prices. Is that because of the first run or is that going to be the price??

also.. Can't wait for the Teebirds! I am trying to trade/sell a few of my 11x's so i can get a few of the Star Birds.

-Scott Lewis

crotts · Nov 22 2005, 11:18 PM

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Hawk, yes Eagle will get the Star treatment it deserves.

Dave will the EX or the EL or both get the "star treatment" also same question for the aviar. big or small bead?

: ) :

AviarX · Nov 23 2005, 01:48 AM

Hi Dave i too was erased in the last crash, formerly i was "robj"...

The stamp on the S.T.A.R. Sidewinders look like this according to your website:

I had hoped the S.T.A.R line would use some form of a star stamp. these look great. can we look forward to these on all STAR models? (i didn't understand your answer to AR)

davei · Nov 23 2005, 08:12 AM

Scott, I think our MSRP is the same as Champion was and Champion was lowered one dollar. The MSRP for Star and Champion respectively is $16.99 and $15.99. Actual retail price varies as usual from vendor to vendor.

davei · Nov 23 2005, 08:14 AM

Rob, that is the stock hotstamp. All the Star line will have that motif.

davei · Nov 23 2005, 08:19 AM

Friar, we haven't made a decision on whether we will do both Eagle versions in Star. For the first offering, it will be EL. The Aviar will start with the putter version, but we will most likely do the big bead too. The big bead is getting repaired to fix the flashing problem on the bottom.

davei · Nov 23 2005, 04:59 PM

Robj, I have an update on the availability of the Star TeeBirds. They went on sale today on the west coast, but as we will be shut down for Thanksgiving, Monday will be the day. The East coast will be a couple of days later. Star Sidewinders are available on both coasts now.

geo · Nov 25 2005, 01:43 AM

Hey Dave, I love the commemorative gold putters you guys released this year, it is some of the best plastic I have ever used. I have converted numerous people out here after watching the flight of the disc and how it takes a beating and keeps on going so much so we actually have a gold club of members who use the putter.(gold members after Austin Powers). The problem w/ that disc, and the only problem, is that it blends in w/ the dirt to well. Even on short putts it can be a problem finding that thing. My question is if you're going to make a champion glow aviar or a silver aviar in the future. The glow aviar would be the best--my personal favorite for plastic(w/ the gold comming in a close second) which I've been trying to convert my whole bag to. Even if it was a CFR we would order a ton of them for our tourneys here in Norcal.
Sorry for the long post. Innova rocks!!!

davei · Nov 25 2005, 09:05 AM

geo, we will be running Star Aviars at some point in time. That might fit the bill for you.

crusher · Nov 25 2005, 01:53 PM

I hope that you run them in stiff big beads?

hawkgammon · Nov 25 2005, 04:21 PM

Dave,

I vote for putter mold, small bead.

xterramatt · Nov 25 2005, 05:45 PM

My vote would be small bead driver mold. [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

mugilcephalus · Nov 25 2005, 06:42 PM

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The Aviar will start with the putter version, but we will most likely do the big bead too. The big bead is getting repaired to fix the flashing problem on the bottom.

It looks like everyone will be happy.

discchucker · Nov 27 2005, 11:28 PM

Dave:

Not sure if this has been asked or not...but why do the new Star Teebirds say "Fairway Driver" and the Star Sidewinders say "Distance Driver"? Since when did the Teebird get demoted to the "Fairway Driver" category? That seems a bit odd to me.

Greatzky2 · Nov 28 2005, 12:08 AM

that is a little odd, but maybe they don't have the category of "straight distance driver" anymore... THat's kindof messed up though....
Can't wait to order a few though. Hope they compare to my 11x's i have

-Scott Lewis

P.s. although the teebird is a "straight distance driver" on the innova website it is in the "Fairway driver" category. I'm guessing it's always been in that category or the categories have been changed due to the faster discs that have come out in the last few years.
I guess i have no "Distance" Drivers in my bag then....

AviarX · Nov 28 2005, 01:41 AM

i'm looking forward to the day when Orcs and Wraiths say "fairway driver" and the people i am competing against are throwing things faster but more nose angle dependent and harder to be accurate with

davei · Nov 28 2005, 08:02 AM

scott and discchucker, the catagories were just recently changed. Speed 7 discs are now included with the speed 6 and one speed 5 as fairway drivers. And, if you think about it, it is much easier to keep the fairway drivers in the fairway than the higher speed drivers, with the exception of the Viking,

hawkgammon · Nov 28 2005, 12:22 PM

Dave,

Another slap to us Eagle users.

Assuming I break my fingers and stretch them to be longer to compensate for bigger rims, my logical move up would be to the Orc correct? Same flight characteristics (-1/+3) and I believe you answered me once before that with two identical throws a player with proper distance ability (400'+ for drivers?) could get 20' extra with an Orc vs. an Eagle. Am I recalling that correctly?

Thanks.

Nov 20 2005, 03:45 AM	#3902
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Fog and 10 degrees (in real temperature, none of this farenheit nonsense) __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Nov 21 2005, 03:56 PM	#3904
slo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Contiguous NA\'s SW-most Course Posts: 2,478	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, you were mentioning the latest Aero was a 'correction' of the "re-tooled" Aero, which had a bit of drift...how do I tell the difference? ...how are they different from the circa 1983 Aero? ...why is this one of the few Innova discs with the name molded-into the bottom? __________________ The Nicest Course Around......©

Nov 21 2005, 04:09 PM	#3905
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Slo, it's difficult to tell. The nose is a little flatter but you would have to have the two versions next to each other to tell. The are exactly the same as the original version as far as flight goes. We Aero on the bottom as it is a unique disc that doesn't share any parts with any other disc. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 21 2005, 04:22 PM	#3906
slo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Contiguous NA\'s SW-most Course Posts: 2,478	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I certainly does seem unique. I got a used one from Mike Williams; it does drift a tad. But I can throw it about 260'; much farther than I can manage with an Aviar, and without fade. That's useful!! ...er, which version has the flatter nose? __________________ The Nicest Course Around......©

Nov 22 2005, 11:13 AM	#3907
rob PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 709	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Will the STAR Teebirds be available before Christmas? Can you tell we're just a little excited about new plastic? Thanks Dave for all you do!

Nov 22 2005, 01:11 PM	#3908
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! rob, yes the Star Tees should be available in 2 weeks.....I hope. The Star Sidewinders should be available today. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 22 2005, 03:09 PM	#3909
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, Will the Eagle get the STAR treatment? Us Eagle throwers are still smarting from our Pro plastic snub. Thanks.

Nov 22 2005, 07:56 PM	#3910
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hawk, yes Eagle will get the Star treatment it deserves. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 22 2005, 09:06 PM	#3911
accidentalROLLER Membership Expired Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DGADDMF Posts: 2,072	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, is the stamp on the Star Sidewinders at Zonedriven (which are sweet by the way) going to be on all runs, or just the 1st runs? __________________ Boycott Sun King. Boycott Gateway.

Nov 22 2005, 09:53 PM	#3912
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! AR, I believe it is the regular stamp. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 22 2005, 10:25 PM	#3913
Greatzky2 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: South Jersey Posts: 379	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hey dave. Long time no chat. My account got erased in the last crash and they couldn't restore it(it's Greatzky! ) anyway.. I thought that the "Star" Discs were going to the same price as the regular Champion discs? on zonedriven's site they are CFR prices. Is that because of the first run or is that going to be the price?? also.. Can't wait for the Teebirds! I am trying to trade/sell a few of my 11x's so i can get a few of the Star Birds. -Scott Lewis

Nov 23 2005, 01:48 AM	#3915
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Dave i too was erased in the last crash, formerly i was "robj"... The stamp on the S.T.A.R. Sidewinders look like this according to your website: I had hoped the S.T.A.R line would use some form of a star stamp. these look great. can we look forward to these on all STAR models? (i didn't understand your answer to AR)

Nov 23 2005, 08:12 AM	#3916
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Scott, I think our MSRP is the same as Champion was and Champion was lowered one dollar. The MSRP for Star and Champion respectively is $16.99 and $15.99. Actual retail price varies as usual from vendor to vendor. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 23 2005, 08:14 AM	#3917
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Rob, that is the stock hotstamp. All the Star line will have that motif. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 23 2005, 08:19 AM	#3918
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Friar, we haven't made a decision on whether we will do both Eagle versions in Star. For the first offering, it will be EL. The Aviar will start with the putter version, but we will most likely do the big bead too. The big bead is getting repaired to fix the flashing problem on the bottom. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 23 2005, 04:59 PM	#3919
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Robj, I have an update on the availability of the Star TeeBirds. They went on sale today on the west coast, but as we will be shut down for Thanksgiving, Monday will be the day. The East coast will be a couple of days later. Star Sidewinders are available on both coasts now. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 25 2005, 01:43 AM	#3920
geo PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: berkeley, ca, Posts: 111	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hey Dave, I love the commemorative gold putters you guys released this year, it is some of the best plastic I have ever used. I have converted numerous people out here after watching the flight of the disc and how it takes a beating and keeps on going so much so we actually have a gold club of members who use the putter.(gold members after Austin Powers). The problem w/ that disc, and the only problem, is that it blends in w/ the dirt to well. Even on short putts it can be a problem finding that thing. My question is if you're going to make a champion glow aviar or a silver aviar in the future. The glow aviar would be the best--my personal favorite for plastic(w/ the gold comming in a close second) which I've been trying to convert my whole bag to. Even if it was a CFR we would order a ton of them for our tourneys here in Norcal. Sorry for the long post. Innova rocks!!!

Nov 25 2005, 09:05 AM	#3921
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! geo, we will be running Star Aviars at some point in time. That might fit the bill for you. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 25 2005, 01:53 PM	#3922
crusher Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 478	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I hope that you run them in stiff big beads?

Nov 25 2005, 04:21 PM	#3923
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I vote for putter mold, small bead.

Nov 25 2005, 05:45 PM	#3924
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! My vote would be small bead driver mold. [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

Nov 27 2005, 11:28 PM	#3926
discchucker Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: On the course banging 50 footers Posts: 839	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave: Not sure if this has been asked or not...but why do the new Star Teebirds say "Fairway Driver" and the Star Sidewinders say "Distance Driver"? Since when did the Teebird get demoted to the "Fairway Driver" category? That seems a bit odd to me. __________________ Winning isn't everything--but wanting to win is. Gateway Disc Sports Team Gateway

Nov 28 2005, 12:08 AM	#3927
Greatzky2 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: South Jersey Posts: 379	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! that is a little odd, but maybe they don't have the category of "straight distance driver" anymore... THat's kindof messed up though.... Can't wait to order a few though. Hope they compare to my 11x's i have -Scott Lewis P.s. although the teebird is a "straight distance driver" on the innova website it is in the "Fairway driver" category. I'm guessing it's always been in that category or the categories have been changed due to the faster discs that have come out in the last few years. I guess i have no "Distance" Drivers in my bag then....

Nov 28 2005, 01:41 AM	#3928
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! i'm looking forward to the day when Orcs and Wraiths say "fairway driver" and the people i am competing against are throwing things faster but more nose angle dependent and harder to be accurate with

Nov 28 2005, 08:02 AM	#3929
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! scott and discchucker, the catagories were just recently changed. Speed 7 discs are now included with the speed 6 and one speed 5 as fairway drivers. And, if you think about it, it is much easier to keep the fairway drivers in the fairway than the higher speed drivers, with the exception of the Viking, __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 28 2005, 12:22 PM	#3930
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, Another slap to us Eagle users. Assuming I break my fingers and stretch them to be longer to compensate for bigger rims, my logical move up would be to the Orc correct? Same flight characteristics (-1/+3) and I believe you answered me once before that with two identical throws a player with proper distance ability (400'+ for drivers?) could get 20' extra with an Orc vs. an Eagle. Am I recalling that correctly? Thanks.

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