Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 126

Oct 31 2005, 03:20 PM

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the Firebird (F) is the fx mold!!

Nope!!! The F just means firebird not L or X. I am referring to The CE FX and the new champion Firebirds.

I don't know for sure if the molds are different but they do fly different...
Dave?

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You obviously haven't done much reading up-thread, because Dave has posted numerous times over the past 4-5 years that there are only two, Firebird mold variants: F and FL, and that the CE "FX" firebirds were from the F mold.

esalazar · Oct 31 2005, 03:24 PM

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Big brothers know everything. [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

LOL!!!

Plankeye · Oct 31 2005, 03:28 PM

If it is different FL molds, then why call them the same.

Just another reason why I hate how innova names their discs. For example. There are two different runs of BS beasts that have the 2x stamp on them. One of them is the original 1x barry mold. The other is the new mold. Yet if you look at a picture from the top, you can't tell a difference.

I don't even want to know how many different starfire molds there are out there.

Oct 31 2005, 03:32 PM

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Original Firebirds were FLs. They were marked as F's on the back. Then innova started using the FX mold for the CE firebirds and marked it as FX.

Correction: Innova started using the REGULAR Firebird molde for CE FIrebirds and marked them "FX."

The FL mold was designed to compensate for the increased overstability of CE discs when compared to their DX and KC counterparts, in order to maintain consistent flight characteristics across the line. Innova began running CE Firebirds in the regular (F) mold, which were marked "FX," in response to player demand for a more overstable version of the Firebird.

Oct 31 2005, 03:42 PM

Dave-- looking for some help on your plastics. Im writing a paper for my materials engineering class. Can you give me any technical information about what kind of polymers are used in your various plastics? Or some sort of link? The most important to me is the types of polymers in DX versus Champion. thank you for your help.

davei · Oct 31 2005, 06:22 PM

SL Othrower, we use proprietary blends of TPOs and TPUs. Basically DX is a proprietary blend of polyolefins and Pro, Champion, and Star are blends of Urethenic plastics.

Erroneous · Oct 31 2005, 06:56 PM

You obviously haven't done much reading up-thread

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ok next time i'll try to go through all posts in the last 4-5 years before i ask a question [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Dave, I have noticed that my CE f's/fx's, new or used, fly way straighter and a good 60 ft further than champion plastic. What are your expectations for the STAR/SB?

Oct 31 2005, 08:39 PM

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t_mojo, no. There is only one Firebird and one FL. It_doesn't_matter had a good summary, except he should have said the original CE type Firebird was the L mold. The original DX was the F(X) type.

then there must be a DRASCTIC difference in how the "proline" plastic and old CE plastic cooled, because the pro FL bottom wing is completely flat (like a starfire L) and CE FL's are flat for the outer portion with a slight angle towards where you grip it.

Oct 31 2005, 11:07 PM

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You obviously haven't done much reading up-thread

ok next time i'll try to go through all posts in the last 4-5 years before i ask a question [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[/QUOTE]If you were smart, you'd just do a search for the term(s) you're looking for, and if you were really smart, you'd search for those terms just in posts by Dave.

Oct 31 2005, 11:30 PM

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t_mojo, no. There is only one Firebird and one FL. It_doesn't_matter had a good summary, except he should have said the original CE type Firebird was the L mold. The original DX was the F(X) type.

then there must be a DRASCTIC difference in how the "proline" plastic and old CE plastic cooled, because the pro FL bottom wing is completely flat (like a starfire L) and CE FL's are flat for the outer portion with a slight angle towards where you grip it.

Luke, FWIW, I'm looking at my Proline FLs, and it's there's a definite flare on the bottom wing, though it's not as pronounced as the flare on my CE FLs.

Erroneous · Oct 31 2005, 11:55 PM

i guess im not smart then

,

i'll try taken some of that Ginkobiloba stuff.....

davei · Nov 01 2005, 07:56 AM

I would expect the Star plastic to be more like CE. Between F and FL, I would expect the FL to fly straighter and farther.

Erroneous · Nov 01 2005, 12:33 PM

that is really great to hear, Thanks Dave

geomy · Nov 03 2005, 11:59 AM

Hi Dave,
A couple of questions about the Rhyno...
Since the SE Soft was discontinued, I have tried Pro Line and Pro Rhynos, but neither compare to those later run SE's. Will you ever produce these again, or do i need to stock up now? Also, what are the chances of getting a Glo Rhyno?

Nov 03 2005, 12:02 PM

Dave we all want to know about any plans on a Des Reading disc?

there I asked and it was not hard at all.

davei · Nov 03 2005, 02:05 PM

rocportian, not a good chance for glow rhynos at this time. Soft Pro Rhynos will still be made. If you mean as soft as the original run, maybe not. They were very difficult to make. We will make them as soft as is practical.

davei · Nov 03 2005, 02:08 PM

We plan on doing a limited edition champions signature disc which will feature Des and our other 2005 Champions. Not sure which disc at this point.

crotts · Nov 03 2005, 02:58 PM

any plans for the coyote right now? will it get the STAR treatment? and possibly a DX version?

Ching stamped DX coyote? sweet

: ) :

davei · Nov 03 2005, 03:53 PM

Friar, no plans for DX right now, but definitely Star. Coyote is in my bag and I would like a little extra grip myself.

DweLLeR · Nov 03 2005, 03:58 PM

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Friar, no plans for DX right now, but definitely Star. Coyote is in my bag and I would like a little extra grip myself.

Yes!!!!

Nov 03 2005, 05:37 PM

Dave, I know the timetable for Star Tbirds is a few weeks, do you have an estimate on the Sidewinders?

rickb · Nov 03 2005, 05:37 PM

Dave not so much a question as a request. Star or Special Blend plastic doesn't matter that much to me. What I would NOT like to see happen is issuing these with the old Star stamp. I know that the stamp molds for the most part have been destroyed but please do not release anything new with the Star stamp.

I'm a huge fan of the stamp on the older discs. I think releasing new disc with this stamp will cause alot of confusion about what's new and what's old. Plus I believe this confusion will decrease old prototype Star stamped disc values. And yes there are alot of us out there who collect and pay good money for these older Star stamped discs.

Thanks again for taking time to answer all the questions.

prairie_dawg · Nov 03 2005, 06:01 PM

Looks like you can get some of the STAR Sidewinders tomorrow!

Plankeye · Nov 03 2005, 06:02 PM

Or if you do use the star stamp, put the year somewhere in the stamp(if possible)

Furthur · Nov 03 2005, 08:12 PM

How about a re-design of the star stamp? If Innova was interested, I think a lot of people on the board would be interested in some sort of competition to design a new star stamp.

DweLLeR · Nov 03 2005, 10:48 PM

Star Sidewinders are already available (at least they were) with the NorCal stamp on them. On a further note, the Japan Open will begin selling their Star Sidewinders tomorrow morning. Check discgolfvalues.com....they may still have a few of the NorCal stamps left.

I already got one of the NorCal Star Tbirds.....SWEET!!!! Cant wait for the normal run of these to be released!!!

Nov 04 2005, 02:49 AM

Not really a question for Dave, but for anyone who may know.....
I ran across a store that has a Champion Glow Coyote. Does anyone have any info or pictures of this disc?

This is directly from his website.....

Coyote
CHAMPION
(new 06/05) MP B $13.00

CHAMPION
GLOW-Ltd Ed
(new 10/05) MP B $14.00

I've been wanting to try more mids (only have one KC Pro Roc) and have been hearing great things about the Coyote. I've also been wanting a Glow model & didn't really care which one.... ( I could get a glow Roc for $9.50)

Edit: I guess I'm getting one regardless. I just told him to hold one for me. But If anyone knows anything let me know.....I didn't know they could do Glow in champ plastic

Edit#2: nevermind. I found a picture of it on wrightlifes website. Sweet looking disc.... Glad the person I'm getting it from is only charging $14, not wrightlifes, $20.

Nov 04 2005, 04:27 AM

dave how about for the new star line putting some redesigned pics on the discs. like the dx plastic with pics but more new age designed and maybe smaller and off centered to give it a unique design yet not a picture covering the entire disc. Maybe a smaller new pic with star name above pic kinda arched and the disc name below pic arched. just an idea. I would love to see some higher end plastic with the pics as I like the pics on dx discs. thanks for listening

Plankeye · Nov 04 2005, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Not really a question for Dave, but for anyone who may know.....
I ran across a store that has a Champion Glow Coyote. Does anyone have any info or pictures of this disc?

This is directly from his website.....

Coyote
CHAMPION
(new 06/05) MP B $13.00

CHAMPION
GLOW-Ltd Ed
(new 10/05) MP B $14.00

I've been wanting to try more mids (only have one KC Pro Roc) and have been hearing great things about the Coyote. I've also been wanting a Glow model & didn't really care which one.... ( I could get a glow Roc for $9.50)

Edit: I guess I'm getting one regardless. I just told him to hold one for me. But If anyone knows anything let me know.....I didn't know they could do Glow in champ plastic

Edit#2: nevermind. I found a picture of it on wrightlifes website. Sweet looking disc.... Glad the person I'm getting it from is only charging $14, not wrightlifes, $20.

glow coyote is slightly more stable than the champ coyote

Nov 04 2005, 10:31 AM

Thanks IDM.
So by "a bit more stable" you mean a bit more overstable?
Inny's website has the coyote listed as 4 speed 4 glide -1 turn 1 fade.
Sooooo.... Does "more stable" mean it will have less turn (like 0 turn) & more fade? Or just more fade?

I'm going to get it regardless. He has a 176g on hand so I told him to hold it for me.

Oct 31 2005, 03:28 PM	#3753
Plankeye PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,395	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! If it is different FL molds, then why call them the same. Just another reason why I hate how innova names their discs. For example. There are two different runs of BS beasts that have the 2x stamp on them. One of them is the original 1x barry mold. The other is the new mold. Yet if you look at a picture from the top, you can't tell a difference. I don't even want to know how many different starfire molds there are out there.

Oct 31 2005, 03:42 PM	#3755
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave-- looking for some help on your plastics. Im writing a paper for my materials engineering class. Can you give me any technical information about what kind of polymers are used in your various plastics? Or some sort of link? The most important to me is the types of polymers in DX versus Champion. thank you for your help.

Oct 31 2005, 06:22 PM	#3756
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! SL Othrower, we use proprietary blends of TPOs and TPUs. Basically DX is a proprietary blend of polyolefins and Pro, Champion, and Star are blends of Urethenic plastics. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 31 2005, 06:56 PM	#3757
Erroneous PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 922	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! You obviously haven't done much reading up-thread [/QUOTE] ok next time i'll try to go through all posts in the last 4-5 years before i ask a question [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Dave, I have noticed that my CE f's/fx's, new or used, fly way straighter and a good 60 ft further than champion plastic. What are your expectations for the STAR/SB?

Oct 31 2005, 11:55 PM	#3761
Erroneous PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 922	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! i guess im not smart then , i'll try taken some of that Ginkobiloba stuff.....

Nov 01 2005, 07:56 AM	#3762
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I would expect the Star plastic to be more like CE. Between F and FL, I would expect the FL to fly straighter and farther. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 01 2005, 12:33 PM	#3763
Erroneous PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 922	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! that is really great to hear, Thanks Dave

Nov 03 2005, 11:59 AM	#3764
geomy Community Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 892	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Dave, A couple of questions about the Rhyno... Since the SE Soft was discontinued, I have tried Pro Line and Pro Rhynos, but neither compare to those later run SE's. Will you ever produce these again, or do i need to stock up now? Also, what are the chances of getting a Glo Rhyno?

Nov 03 2005, 12:02 PM	#3765
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave we all want to know about any plans on a Des Reading disc? there I asked and it was not hard at all.

Nov 03 2005, 02:05 PM	#3766
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! rocportian, not a good chance for glow rhynos at this time. Soft Pro Rhynos will still be made. If you mean as soft as the original run, maybe not. They were very difficult to make. We will make them as soft as is practical. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 03 2005, 02:08 PM	#3767
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! We plan on doing a limited edition champions signature disc which will feature Des and our other 2005 Champions. Not sure which disc at this point. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 03 2005, 02:58 PM	#3768
crotts PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: With Christians and other nihilists Posts: 1,860	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! any plans for the coyote right now? will it get the STAR treatment? and possibly a DX version? Ching stamped DX coyote? sweet : ) : __________________ TUB4LIFE

Nov 03 2005, 03:53 PM	#3769
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Friar, no plans for DX right now, but definitely Star. Coyote is in my bag and I would like a little extra grip myself. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Nov 03 2005, 05:37 PM	#3771
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I know the timetable for Star Tbirds is a few weeks, do you have an estimate on the Sidewinders?

Nov 03 2005, 05:37 PM	#3772
rickb PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NC Posts: 735	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave not so much a question as a request. Star or Special Blend plastic doesn't matter that much to me. What I would NOT like to see happen is issuing these with the old Star stamp. I know that the stamp molds for the most part have been destroyed but please do not release anything new with the Star stamp. I'm a huge fan of the stamp on the older discs. I think releasing new disc with this stamp will cause alot of confusion about what's new and what's old. Plus I believe this confusion will decrease old prototype Star stamped disc values. And yes there are alot of us out there who collect and pay good money for these older Star stamped discs. Thanks again for taking time to answer all the questions.

Nov 03 2005, 06:01 PM	#3773
prairie_dawg PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 1,033	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Looks like you can get some of the STAR Sidewinders tomorrow! __________________ Discing for a Cure events, Host one in your area! 2nd event McKinney, TX November 15th, 2009 Participating in the 2009 Charity Endowment Program

Nov 03 2005, 06:02 PM	#3774
Plankeye PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,395	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Or if you do use the star stamp, put the year somewhere in the stamp(if possible)

Nov 03 2005, 08:12 PM	#3775
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! How about a re-design of the star stamp? If Innova was interested, I think a lot of people on the board would be interested in some sort of competition to design a new star stamp.

Nov 03 2005, 10:48 PM	#3776
DweLLeR Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elkhart, IN Posts: 463	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Star Sidewinders are already available (at least they were) with the NorCal stamp on them. On a further note, the Japan Open will begin selling their Star Sidewinders tomorrow morning. Check discgolfvalues.com....they may still have a few of the NorCal stamps left. I already got one of the NorCal Star Tbirds.....SWEET!!!! Cant wait for the normal run of these to be released!!!

Nov 04 2005, 02:49 AM	#3777
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Not really a question for Dave, but for anyone who may know..... I ran across a store that has a Champion Glow Coyote. Does anyone have any info or pictures of this disc? This is directly from his website..... Coyote CHAMPION (new 06/05) MP B $13.00 CHAMPION GLOW-Ltd Ed (new 10/05) MP B $14.00 I've been wanting to try more mids (only have one KC Pro Roc) and have been hearing great things about the Coyote. I've also been wanting a Glow model & didn't really care which one.... ( I could get a glow Roc for $9.50) Edit: I guess I'm getting one regardless. I just told him to hold one for me. But If anyone knows anything let me know.....I didn't know they could do Glow in champ plastic Edit#2: nevermind. I found a picture of it on wrightlifes website. Sweet looking disc.... Glad the person I'm getting it from is only charging $14, not wrightlifes, $20.

Nov 04 2005, 04:27 AM	#3778
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! dave how about for the new star line putting some redesigned pics on the discs. like the dx plastic with pics but more new age designed and maybe smaller and off centered to give it a unique design yet not a picture covering the entire disc. Maybe a smaller new pic with star name above pic kinda arched and the disc name below pic arched. just an idea. I would love to see some higher end plastic with the pics as I like the pics on dx discs. thanks for listening

Nov 04 2005, 10:31 AM	#3780
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thanks IDM. So by "a bit more stable" you mean a bit more overstable? Inny's website has the coyote listed as 4 speed 4 glide -1 turn 1 fade. Sooooo.... Does "more stable" mean it will have less turn (like 0 turn) & more fade? Or just more fade? I'm going to get it regardless. He has a 176g on hand so I told him to hold it for me.

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