Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 124

davei · Oct 26 2005, 04:45 PM

DSPro, I do know what you mean. We need to repair the mold. You can lightly sand the bottom especially as the flash is not supposed to be there in the first place.

WakandaRat · Oct 26 2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Does that count as a post production modification?

not if you yell out, woops as your doing it, then it's not intentional

peter_h · Oct 26 2005, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Does that count as a post production modification?

"802.01 C. Players may not make post-production modification of discs which alter their original flight characteristics. This rule does not forbid inevitable wear and tear from usage during play or the moderate sanding of discs to smooth molding imperfections ..."

And to my own question. SB Teebirds in production runs, TB or TL?

(Please please please, not TL. Discontinuing the Pro TB was a sad moment to many many players. I can somewhat understand the expressed desire to not have too many similar discs, i.e. TB and Starfire, that was mentioned somewhere as the reason, but I think the Pro Starfire really is much more similar to the TL in flight than to the "real" Teebird. But if there will indeed be a SB TB Teebird I'm sure there will be a lot of smiling faces, especially on this side of the atlantic ocean.

)

davei · Oct 26 2005, 07:00 PM

swepeter, we will be making both kinds of SB Ts.

Oct 26 2005, 07:34 PM

Dave, did ontario ever make any proto run gazelle's? I have a light blue disc with the black champion star stamp, closest thing I've felt to it is the old first run gazelle's. Any ideas on what it is would be helpful.

Sharky · Oct 26 2005, 08:07 PM

Great news, I will be a fan of the sb tl bird. No surprise that a Swede would crave something more overstable

davei · Oct 26 2005, 08:32 PM

10up, I'm not sure I understand your question. There was a proto Gazelle. I am not sure if it was run in Ontario or Rancho. It was retooled into the present type. The proto was a little lower profile, a little understable, and very long flying. I am not sure how many protos were actually produced.

Oct 26 2005, 08:40 PM

Sorry, I just reread the post and realized I didn't word it very well.

I don't know what this disc is, it doesn't have any writing on it at all other than the black star stamp "Champion Discs, INC" and on the backside it has the patent # and the Ontario Address. I know Proto Gazelle's would have to have been very old, and this disc is in spanking new condition. It has a fairly thick lip heighthwise, concave, but it doesn't go that deep towards the center. It is also very domey, maybe the most I've seen. I really can't say how it flies at this point because without knowing what it is I'm a bit apprehensive to throw it. I've showed it to several people around here and the closest thing we've found to it is an old San Marino Gazelle, but it doesn't seem exactly the same.

Anyway, I know this isn't really your specialty and it is hard without holding the disc in your hands but if you have an idea let me know.

Thanks

DweLLeR · Oct 27 2005, 02:38 AM

1. Hows about a picture of it from a profile?

2. Maybe a Viper?

Just my two cents.

flynvegas · Oct 27 2005, 10:06 AM

Pix of rim as well. Could be a Millenium disc, I've seen these that look close to a Viper. There were many Champion Star stamped disc's. The original Gazelle was released at I believe the '94 or '95 Worlds with a combo stamp using part of the Star stamp. All of the proto Gazelle's I've seen used the Innova Bar stamp.

xterramatt · Oct 27 2005, 10:13 AM

better than lightly sanding it, Bring your disc to work where there is a tight knit, short pile rug available. palm the top of the disc with both hands and rub the bottom of the disc in a circular motion for 5-10 seconds. This will heat up the flash so that it retracts and reforms with the bead. I do it to my Omega APs and they are better than beat in in 15 seconds.

jeterdawg · Oct 27 2005, 12:49 PM

Dave,

I've read that you plan on making almost all drivers in SB plastic. I would assume some of the other (non-Roc) mid's and putters will inevitably be made in the plastic too.

Where will SB fit into the pricing structure? Currently, what I've seen is that retail is:
DX - $9
Pro - $12
Champ - $15

Will SB be between Pro and Champ, or slightly more than Champ?

Thanks!

Looking forward to a great 2006 season full of SB plastic in the bag!

accidentalROLLER · Oct 27 2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Dave,

I've read that you plan on making almost all drivers in SB plastic. I would assume some of the other (non-Roc) mid's and putters will inevitably be made in the plastic too.

Where will SB fit into the pricing structure? Currently, what I've seen is that retail is:
DX - $9
Pro - $12
Champ - $15

Will SB be between Pro and Champ, or slightly more than Champ?

Thanks!

Looking forward to a great 2006 season full of SB plastic in the bag!

Correct me if I'm wrong Dave, but I'm pretty sure you said that all SB's will be fundraisers at MSRP $15.99 and the current Champ. Fundraisers (exculding Glow and Inncolor) will be "retired" to regular stock champion at MSRP $14

davei · Oct 28 2005, 08:41 AM

jeterdawg, we plan on releasing most Stars (SBs) into regular production. The MSRP currently is: DX $8.99, Pro $12.99, and Champion $15.99. The Stars will also be $15.99.
STAR=Special, Tacky, Abraision Resistant plastic. Any limited edition or special edition Stars will go into CFR also at MSRP of $15.99.

esalazar · Oct 28 2005, 09:06 AM

which sb's will remain as exclusively cfr's? hopefully all of them , i feel this will enhance tournament funding greatly!!!

kvo · Oct 28 2005, 09:50 AM

Will there be SB Rhynos?

rangel · Oct 28 2005, 11:36 AM

Ok. I think I'm lost. Did the SB blend everyone keeps talking about just now become STAR.

If so, then can someone compare STAR to the old Special Edition (SE). I have an old beat up SE Rhyno and would REALLLLLLY like to have something close. I was going to purchase a Pro Line Rhyno, but would gladly pay up to get a better Rhyno.

Bully

Oct 28 2005, 11:45 AM

I'm really looking forward to trying the new SB plastic. So, if I understand it correctly, Innova will now be offering 4 lines of regular production plastic. DX, Pro, Champion, and Star (SB). Is that correct?

davei · Oct 28 2005, 12:37 PM

step, that is correct

davei · Oct 28 2005, 12:45 PM

tinfoil, probably not, but maybe.

davei · Oct 28 2005, 12:47 PM

esalazar, we are discussing internally at Innova what the CFR program will have. No decisions made yet. Any limited edition made will go in CFR at the lower MSRP.

accidentalROLLER · Oct 28 2005, 01:24 PM

Dave, I want to thank you for listening to your customers. The new lower priced CFRs give us poorer DGers the same discs the pro's use at a reasonable price while still raising money for tourneys. You guys have done an outstanding job. I do believe, from what I've seen thus far, that more money will be raised this way. All the new CFRs are selling like hotcakes.
Now, WHERE ARE THE SB FIREBIRDS ALREADY???????
I've got my SB Orc and the SB Teebird is on the way. I NEED THAT SB FIREBIRD! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSEEE EEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again Dave and Innova!

Furthur · Oct 28 2005, 01:33 PM

I'm going to have to second the request for SB Firebirds. I don't know if they will make it before the end of the year, but will we see them perhaps before the beginning of next season?

davei · Oct 28 2005, 03:23 PM

I'm not sure when Firebirds are scheduled to go in, but I'm pretty sure it will be this winter. When the mold goes in, we will do Star Firebirds and FLs.

Furthur · Oct 28 2005, 03:35 PM

Thank you, Dave. Can't wait to get my hands on the *Firebirds. Will they be FX or FL? I can't really tell from your previous statement.

esalazar · Oct 28 2005, 03:39 PM

translation= both!! f=fx and fl!!

Oct 28 2005, 03:47 PM

How about Aviars?

davei · Oct 28 2005, 04:26 PM

lopezjmr, Star Aviar will happen.

Oct 28 2005, 10:24 PM

Dave, I am a huge fan of the Special Blend plastic and it doesnt really matter to me what you call it, but, for what its worth, the name "star" pretty much sucks. Just an observation. Maybe you should just leave it Special Blend.

Oct 28 2005, 11:00 PM

The STAR designation doesn't suck! But all STAR discs should have the old Champion star stamp. It's the best stamp of all time and this plastic may be as well.

Oct 26 2005, 04:45 PM	#3691
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! DSPro, I do know what you mean. We need to repair the mold. You can lightly sand the bottom especially as the flash is not supposed to be there in the first place. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 26 2005, 07:00 PM	#3694
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! swepeter, we will be making both kinds of SB Ts. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 26 2005, 07:34 PM	#3695
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, did ontario ever make any proto run gazelle's? I have a light blue disc with the black champion star stamp, closest thing I've felt to it is the old first run gazelle's. Any ideas on what it is would be helpful.

Oct 26 2005, 08:07 PM	#3696
Sharky PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Laurel, Maryland Planet Earth Posts: 1,150	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Great news, I will be a fan of the sb tl bird. No surprise that a Swede would crave something more overstable

Oct 26 2005, 08:32 PM	#3697
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! 10up, I'm not sure I understand your question. There was a proto Gazelle. I am not sure if it was run in Ontario or Rancho. It was retooled into the present type. The proto was a little lower profile, a little understable, and very long flying. I am not sure how many protos were actually produced. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 26 2005, 08:40 PM	#3698
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I just reread the post and realized I didn't word it very well. I don't know what this disc is, it doesn't have any writing on it at all other than the black star stamp "Champion Discs, INC" and on the backside it has the patent # and the Ontario Address. I know Proto Gazelle's would have to have been very old, and this disc is in spanking new condition. It has a fairly thick lip heighthwise, concave, but it doesn't go that deep towards the center. It is also very domey, maybe the most I've seen. I really can't say how it flies at this point because without knowing what it is I'm a bit apprehensive to throw it. I've showed it to several people around here and the closest thing we've found to it is an old San Marino Gazelle, but it doesn't seem exactly the same. Anyway, I know this isn't really your specialty and it is hard without holding the disc in your hands but if you have an idea let me know. Thanks

Oct 27 2005, 02:38 AM	#3699
DweLLeR Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elkhart, IN Posts: 463	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! 1. Hows about a picture of it from a profile? 2. Maybe a Viper? Just my two cents.

Oct 27 2005, 10:06 AM	#3700
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Pix of rim as well. Could be a Millenium disc, I've seen these that look close to a Viper. There were many Champion Star stamped disc's. The original Gazelle was released at I believe the '94 or '95 Worlds with a combo stamp using part of the Star stamp. All of the proto Gazelle's I've seen used the Innova Bar stamp.

Oct 27 2005, 10:13 AM	#3701
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! better than lightly sanding it, Bring your disc to work where there is a tight knit, short pile rug available. palm the top of the disc with both hands and rub the bottom of the disc in a circular motion for 5-10 seconds. This will heat up the flash so that it retracts and reforms with the bead. I do it to my Omega APs and they are better than beat in in 15 seconds. __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

Oct 27 2005, 12:49 PM	#3702
jeterdawg PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Texas Posts: 620	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I've read that you plan on making almost all drivers in SB plastic. I would assume some of the other (non-Roc) mid's and putters will inevitably be made in the plastic too. Where will SB fit into the pricing structure? Currently, what I've seen is that retail is: DX - $9 Pro - $12 Champ - $15 Will SB be between Pro and Champ, or slightly more than Champ? Thanks! Looking forward to a great 2006 season full of SB plastic in the bag!

Oct 28 2005, 08:41 AM	#3704
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! jeterdawg, we plan on releasing most Stars (SBs) into regular production. The MSRP currently is: DX $8.99, Pro $12.99, and Champion $15.99. The Stars will also be $15.99. STAR=Special, Tacky, Abraision Resistant plastic. Any limited edition or special edition Stars will go into CFR also at MSRP of $15.99. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 28 2005, 09:06 AM	#3705
esalazar Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: central texas Posts: 6,355	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! which sb's will remain as exclusively cfr's? hopefully all of them , i feel this will enhance tournament funding greatly!!! __________________ !!!!REST IN PEACE Ricky Wright !!

Oct 28 2005, 09:50 AM	#3706
kvo Membership Expired Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: SW Wisconsin Posts: 226	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Will there be SB Rhynos? __________________ My putting is like trying to get a deaf waitress's attention . . . miss . . .MISS

Oct 28 2005, 11:36 AM	#3707
rangel PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Great State of Kentucky Posts: 139	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Ok. I think I'm lost. Did the SB blend everyone keeps talking about just now become STAR. If so, then can someone compare STAR to the old Special Edition (SE). I have an old beat up SE Rhyno and would REALLLLLLY like to have something close. I was going to purchase a Pro Line Rhyno, but would gladly pay up to get a better Rhyno. Bully

Oct 28 2005, 11:45 AM	#3708
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I'm really looking forward to trying the new SB plastic. So, if I understand it correctly, Innova will now be offering 4 lines of regular production plastic. DX, Pro, Champion, and Star (SB). Is that correct?

Oct 28 2005, 12:37 PM	#3709
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! step, that is correct __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 28 2005, 12:45 PM	#3710
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! tinfoil, probably not, but maybe. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 28 2005, 12:47 PM	#3711
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! esalazar, we are discussing internally at Innova what the CFR program will have. No decisions made yet. Any limited edition made will go in CFR at the lower MSRP. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 28 2005, 01:24 PM	#3712
accidentalROLLER Membership Expired Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DGADDMF Posts: 2,072	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I want to thank you for listening to your customers. The new lower priced CFRs give us poorer DGers the same discs the pro's use at a reasonable price while still raising money for tourneys. You guys have done an outstanding job. I do believe, from what I've seen thus far, that more money will be raised this way. All the new CFRs are selling like hotcakes. Now, WHERE ARE THE SB FIREBIRDS ALREADY??????? I've got my SB Orc and the SB Teebird is on the way. I NEED THAT SB FIREBIRD! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSEEE EEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again Dave and Innova! __________________ Boycott Sun King. Boycott Gateway.

Oct 28 2005, 01:33 PM	#3713
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to have to second the request for SB Firebirds. I don't know if they will make it before the end of the year, but will we see them perhaps before the beginning of next season?

Oct 28 2005, 03:23 PM	#3714
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! I'm not sure when Firebirds are scheduled to go in, but I'm pretty sure it will be this winter. When the mold goes in, we will do Star Firebirds and FLs. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 28 2005, 03:35 PM	#3715
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, Dave. Can't wait to get my hands on the *Firebirds. Will they be FX or FL? I can't really tell from your previous statement.

Oct 28 2005, 03:39 PM	#3716
esalazar Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: central texas Posts: 6,355	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! translation= both!! f=fx and fl!! __________________ !!!!REST IN PEACE Ricky Wright !!

Oct 28 2005, 03:47 PM	#3717
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! How about Aviars?

Oct 28 2005, 04:26 PM	#3718
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! lopezjmr, Star Aviar will happen. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 28 2005, 10:24 PM	#3719
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! Dave, I am a huge fan of the Special Blend plastic and it doesnt really matter to me what you call it, but, for what its worth, the name "star" pretty much sucks. Just an observation. Maybe you should just leave it Special Blend.

Oct 28 2005, 11:00 PM	#3720
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D About Innova Here!!!!!!!!!! The STAR designation doesn't suck! But all STAR discs should have the old Champion star stamp. It's the best stamp of all time and this plastic may be as well.

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