Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

I belive the thread got deleted in this sever malfunction that the forum is currently having, but someone had posted something about "night shift" starfires that they had seen at a tournament. Could the person that found these please tell me more about these discs.

Also, Dave, by chance will we see more champion discs in the "special blend", either CFR or regular production?

[Blarg]

Everybody loves the gummy lightweight plastic.
At least everyone I've talked to about it.

[Blarg]

Is it true that the Candy Sting Rays have been discontinued?
There is a website that is selling candy sting rays at fairly high prices saying they are collectable because Innova stopped production in January of 2005.
There was some mention of difficulty with consistency in their manufacture or some such.
Is any of the above true?

[Sharky]

It is all true. I did pick up two at 172 at Wrightlife recently and they have not raised their price on the champion stingrays yet. I checked a number of vendors I don't think many have raised their prices yet but good luck getting your preferred weight. I number of places had inventories such as "150 and 178" that's it. Good luck they are sweet control discs.

[davei]

further, we will have more from time to time, but as they can cause confusion between Pro and Champion, we are trying to develop a similar formula for clear colors.

[davei]

Blarg, it's all true. They were a nightmare to produce. We could produce flattop Stingrays in candy, but the original won't work.

Was wondering if the CFR Starfires are the same mold as pros? Also, heard there were 3 diff molds? How do you tell? When did the new mold come out? Are ALL 2005 stamped discs the new mold? Thanks!

Dave, I was wondering what ever happened to the puma I assume it's out of production, I was however wondering what the flight stats were, and what other innova disc is the closest to the puma mold?

[davei]

Roc Steady, the Original Candy Starfire was altered slightly after the initial run. The current version will remain the same. The Pro Starfire is the L version. It's very diffficult to tell between the two candy versions, but fairly easy to distinguish between the candy and Pro versions. The Pro version has a straighter beveled edge. I don't know if all 2005 CFR stamped discs are the current version, but most likely are. All of the Pros are one version.

[davei]

vandal, the Puma is out of production. We discontinued it as it was not selling well at the time. The mold is similar to a Panther with a Thumtrac. The flight is probably most similar to a cross between a Spider and a Panther. The flight numbers would be 5, 3, -1, +1.

Thanks for reply Dave. This is most interesting. This is the first time ive seen an L version in a "flippier" plastic. What is th reason? So the CFR is quite a bit more stable then? Does it fly farther than the ORC and still maintain that strait path with a bit of hyser at the end? Maybe I should try a CFR in lighter weight? It would seem im looking for the pro mold in CFR plastic. Would you make one just for me?

[mf100forever]

Hi Dave,
did you have anything to do with the development of the new Millenium Orion? If so, what kind of a driver is it?

[davei]

Roc Steady, we use the L versions in Pro because the hold up to abuse better in the L configuration. The CFR Starfire doesn't necessarily fly farther than an Orc, but it will hold a line better into a wind, and go just as far. The L version in CFR is a potential, but it hasn't been discussed at Innova yet.

[davei]

m100forever, yes, I designed it for Millennium. It is a very long straight flyer akin to the JLS but straighter and longer. It has some turn if thrown very hard into a headwind, but it is still very readable and long. Like the JLS, it has a combination of characteristics including glide, speed, and small low speed fade, that make it very useful in many situations.

[hawkgammon]

Dave,

Is the Orion a wide rimmed driver like the Beast family, or is the rim like the TeeBird family?

[davei]

Hawk, It's a 'tweener. It's in the Sidewinder family.

[mf100forever]

Thanx Dave,
which plastic will it be run in?

[davei]

Kjell, it is in Millennium/Pro type plastic.

[20460chase]

Hi Dave, I have a few questions for you. What plastic was used for Champion Eagles, with the KC sig, newest Innova stamp? I recently got 2 175g. and they were both solid opaque. They feel like Special blend or night shift Orc type plastic, not the regular Champion. Thanks as always.

[davei]

chase, could be either of the two you describe. If they are blue, red or yellow, they could be special blend.

[esalazar]

will there be any night shift orcs produced in the future?? or other discs in the special blend plastic..??

[davei]

esalazar, yes, we just have to make sure that they don't get misstamped, or we don't confuse the end customer, as they look very much like Pro.

[esalazar]

sweet!! thanx dave!! i would like a fat stack of those please!! wow that was a quick response!!!

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dave, just curious if you ever got to test the candy ram? or if there are any plans for a champion or CFR ram? thanks again

[circle_2]

Dave, what kind of differences in technique are required for throwing a slower type driver such as a Tee Bird vs a faster type driver such as a Valkyrie for 'golf' distance? I chose these two as these were/are the only two discs to travel over 800' in a distance competition. (I'm guessing both Jarvis and Sandstrom did a 360 degree spinning drive technique.)

Also, can you add any pertinent info re: the newer/faster discs (ie Beast, Orc, Starfire) for us folks still trying to crack a 400' average? The Pro Starfire seems to be the bomb! Thanks again, Dave.
Doc

[20460chase]

chase, could be either of the two you describe. If they are blue, red or yellow, they could be special blend.

They are red. And I have seen blue and yellow, and they all share the opaque properties.

Thanks Dave. Heres a little tougher one. When the CE Spiders came out there were 2 stamp versions, both Star Stamped, only one had a full circle around the star, the other had TWO circles surronding the star. It was told to me that the stamp with the second inner ring was a second run. I now have noticed the same pattern on the star stamped Sidewinders. My question is: Is this just a stamp variant or is this of relevance in determining run #s ? Thank you Sir.

[jaymo]

Hey Dave... the Innova website says that the Orc goes down to 160g. I have in my bag a 150g champ Orc... it's pretty fun. Doesn't fly like an orc at all, but I use it for thumbers and grenades.

Are you guys going to try to make more at 150, or is that just silly b/c it's "not really an Orc" at such low weights.

thanks

[davei]

Chase, just a stamp variant.

[davei]

Jaymo, I doubt that is a Champion Orc if it really is 150 gms. The lowest I have seen was about 158 gms. It may have been marked wrong or written poorly. We have recently gotten a lighter Champion plastic that will allow lower weights in the future, but even then, I don't think the Orcs will go down that far.