Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 116

Mar 13 2005, 09:39 PM

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i just changed my grip because i thought i was holding the top of the disc more than the side(if that makes sense).
NOw after playing for 2 days i have a callus on my middle finger and a blister on my ring finger..
i guess my grip is totally off?

Scott,

While you're waiting for a reply, check out Blake Takkunen's article on grips [ul=http://discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/gripittoripit.shtml]here[/url] if you haven't already done so.

Mar 13 2005, 10:34 PM

Hi Dave
I recently had a chance to throw a new max weight 175 Sidewinder. I threw the disc hard and straight down the fairway and it went from flat to anhyser cleanly and never came out till the disc hit the ground. When I take a close look at the disc I see it is domey and the diameter of the disc is the same as any of my drivers. My question to you is why does this disc turn right and stay right till finish. I really like the disc for this reason.

jaymo · Mar 13 2005, 11:37 PM

Hey Dave I got a Q?

I got a disc recently, on the back is says 173 and in pen says "S.E. Banshee" on the front is a simple "Innova Champion Discs/Inc" star stamp. it's got a rancho mold mark on the back. And the disc is white. It doesn't feel quite like Dx nor SE (at least the SE plastic I know) more like 10x KC Pro but tackier... if that makes sense

I think that's it, can you tell me anything about this? (Dave or anyone for that matter) Is it at all interesting, or were there lots of these made?

thank you very much.

davei · Mar 14 2005, 08:18 AM

greatzky, the Omega AP is comparable to the Pro Aviar. Lackluster sales for it and the Q Omega. The Omega SS is still selling well. I believe the Sentinel has been discontinued too. As to your grip: It is not uncommon to have a callus on the middle finger if this is your rip point. If you use the fan grip or stack grip, you could get a blister on your ring finger too if you recently are getting a lot more pressure and rip off your fingers. If your throws have good power, this is a good thing and you will get used to it. If you are not getting good power, the blister could be from slip.

davei · Mar 14 2005, 08:56 AM

Jeff, the flight you got was a combination of wind conditions, (if any), your particular throw, and the disc. If you throw nose up, your disc will fade back. The Sidewinder was based on the Stingray design.

davei · Mar 14 2005, 09:04 AM

Jaymo, I imagine it was a special run of Banshees. Probably fairly rare. Not a regular offering.

Mar 14 2005, 09:30 AM

Dave,

Have you considered or tried to market an overstable midrange disc with the speed/distance and glide of a Roc? I have thrown both the Bulldog, and the Gator. While I love my new Champion Gator, it just does not have the distance of the Roc. I like the Roc, but for pulls ~300ft with any sort of head wind, the Roc is just too flippy for me.

jaymo · Mar 14 2005, 12:33 PM

thanks Dave

hawkgammon · Mar 14 2005, 01:25 PM

Dave,

I need your advice with Aviars. I settled on using the DX Putter for putting which is working out fine. What I need is an Aviar best suited for driving off tees on shorter (under 200') holes, or longer approaches that aren't mid-range worthy. I tend to flip the putters when I use them for these throws which is probably due to operator error, but is there another aviar better suited for this to fill the gap until I can do these throws with the putter? Would a stiffer one like the Classic or the K.C. be better? Would a more stable/overstable one help, and if so which Aviar is most "overstable". Thanks.

Mar 14 2005, 02:56 PM

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Dave,

I need your advice with Aviars. I settled on using the DX Putter for putting which is working out fine. What I need is an Aviar best suited for driving off tees on shorter (under 200') holes, or longer approaches that aren't mid-range worthy. I tend to flip the putters when I use them for these throws which is probably due to operator error, but is there another aviar better suited for this to fill the gap until I can do these throws with the putter? Would a stiffer one like the Classic or the K.C. be better? Would a more stable/overstable one help, and if so which Aviar is most "overstable". Thanks.

I'm not Dave, but I'll pass on my experiences with both of these discs. The KC is more overstable and fades more when it slows down. The Classic is a straight flyer with minimal fade when it slows down. The Classic holds a turnover line better, whereas the KC will fight to come back. The KC is better in a headwind and can handle a little more torque.

Both are great discs that are very accurate. The key is getting a smooth release and getting your spin/speed ratios worked out. I like the KC for hyzer putts and approaches and the Classic for straight and turnover putts and approaches.

davei · Mar 14 2005, 05:46 PM

Dave,

I need your advice with Aviars. I settled on using the DX Putter for putting which is working out fine. What I need is an Aviar best suited for driving off tees on shorter (under 200') holes, or longer approaches that aren't mid-range worthy. I tend to flip the putters when I use them for these throws which is probably due to operator error, but is there another aviar better suited for this to fill the gap until I can do these throws with the putter? Would a stiffer one like the Classic or the K.C. be better? Would a more stable/overstable one help, and if so which Aviar is most "overstable". Thanks.

Is this the question from Hawk? I saw a question but didn't have time to answer, and then the site crashed.

To reply: I agree with JRannefeld's assessment of the Classic and KC. There are several other options. I use the JK personally because it has a lot of grip and can handle torque. The three that are most torque resistant are the Pro series. The JK is soft and grippy, the KC is stiff, and the Pro is in between in Pro driver type plastic. The straightest flyers are the Classic and Q Omega.

Mar 14 2005, 08:48 PM

Dave, would you rate the 20th anniversary Aviars with the torque-resistant KC and JK or with the straighter flying Classic and Q Omega? I finally put a anniversary Aviar in the bag but seldom throw it (it almost seems like sacrilege to throw and risk harming something of such esteem

).

davei · Mar 14 2005, 10:16 PM

Robj, I forgot which mold it was made with, but if it follows the usual form for candy, it would be the less torque resistant putter mold, even if it has a big bead.

Mar 15 2005, 01:36 AM

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Robj, I forgot which mold it was made with, but if it follows the usual form for candy, it would be the less torque resistant putter mold, even if it has a big bead.

I tried to do a search for the Aviar chart someone once made that listed which Aviars were Big Beads, Small Beads, driver mold, putter mold, etc., but the website crash and post erasing has messed up the search function.

I did find this response from you to someone asking you for info about the 20th Anniversay Aviars:

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mf100, they are gold Champion Aviars with a commemorative stamp. The Champion Aviar is a BB putter. The plastic is the same as the second run. It is fairly grippy and doesnt bounce like other candy.

I would like to get this down, but am having some trouble keeping it straight. Would that mean the 20th Anniversary Aviar is less torque resistant than a pro driver mold, but has more low speed fade than a champion putter mold due to the big bead?

Mar 15 2005, 08:55 AM

I was on ebay looking for a new JK Pro Valk since I lost mine earlier today, and I saw that there are auctions for Proline Valks here . I checked Innova's web page, and it makes no mention of them being released, but they look just like new proline. Are these new, or older discs that just look like new proline?

Mar 15 2005, 10:37 AM

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Are these new, or older discs that just look like new proline?

They're new. (They're listed under "What's New" on the Innova West [url=http://www.innovadiscgolf.com/glanceca.html]inventory] page.) The old JK Pro was candy plastic.

discndat · Mar 15 2005, 01:04 PM

Page 301 for this thread - just trying to help out. I had to keep going back until I found this page after the crash.

Mar 15 2005, 01:07 PM

201.

gokayaksteven · Mar 15 2005, 01:26 PM

hey dave-- i throw spiders [dx and champ] for my mids [they fly like a longer rhyno for me, which is my putter/approach], and the dx beast for long drives. what would you [or anyone] reccomend for a disc in-between the 2. i throw the spiders flat, and i flip up the dx beasts. i tried the dx and champ teebird, but they did not work for me. i was thinking pro tl or champ leopard? what do you think? thanks

davei · Mar 15 2005, 03:51 PM

Robj, the putter mold would generally have less fade whether it was big bead or small.

davei · Mar 15 2005, 04:04 PM

steven, there's a lot of room in between a Spider and a DX Beast. On the upper end of the in between straight flyers, is the Viking. The TL would be next down followed by the Champion Leopard, then the Champion Panther. I would choose the Champion Leopard myself. I listed the discs in decending order of speed.

gokayaksteven · Mar 15 2005, 05:02 PM

thanks dave

Mar 16 2005, 04:03 AM

Hello Dave,

this is an idea (crazy?) rather than a question.

How about making an putter named COR (or RCO, OCR, CRO) as an complement to the ORC and ROC :P

An cool series of disc (if you ask me), I looked up COR (the only combination that actually was a word).

It means English Horn (cor anglais).

thenatureboy68 · Mar 19 2005, 11:28 PM

Hey Dave,

I went to Texas 10 in Tyler today. I bought Sidewinder. It is red special blend. I know what I saw. I used to have SB orcs. Is it accident to make sb sidewinder? It is so sweet why dont you go ahead and make new plastic SB for all models.

Mar 20 2005, 10:02 AM

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An cool series of disc (if you ask me), I looked up COR (the only combination that actually was a word).

It means English Horn (cor anglais).

Actually, cor is French (via Latin, cornu, from which, cornet) for "horn" (cf. French Horn, cor d'harmonie).

Given the propensity of disc golfers to abbreviate disc names of more than two syllables, e.g., "valk" for "valkyrie," "TL" for "teebird, less stable," FX/FL, etc., I would suggest naming said putter after one of any of the Crotalid genus of snakes, of which my suggestion would be Timber Rattlesnake, whose scientific name would not only to identify the disc, but also describe the user's putting skills.

20460chase · Mar 21 2005, 12:39 AM

Hi Dave. Whats up with the new DX plastic? Ive seen alot of the DX Orcs get sliced open deep on seemingly light tree kicks.

Mar 21 2005, 01:02 AM

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An cool series of disc (if you ask me), I looked up COR (the only combination that actually was a word).

It means English Horn (cor anglais).

Actually, cor is French (via Latin, cornu, from which, cornet) for "horn" (cf. French Horn, cor d'harmonie).

Given the propensity of disc golfers to abbreviate disc names of more than two syllables, e.g., "valk" for "valkyrie," "TL" for "teebird, less stable," FX/FL, etc., I would suggest naming said putter after one of any of the Crotalid genus of snakes, of which my suggestion would be Timber Rattlesnake, whose scientific name would not only to identify the disc, but also describe the user's putting skills.

D@mn... you know way too much man... seriously, who are you? What do you do for a living? Are you Ken Jennings?

Seriously... everybody read my signature...

Mar 21 2005, 01:34 PM

Dave,
I had an idea for another fundraising idea for the USDG and to promote DIscgolf in general..

I see that these Rubber Colored Wristbands are getting ridiculously popular,I wear 3myself, and they are no longer just applying to cure diseases.. I have seen some for drunk driving and other even simpler things..

What if you guys made a "CE" wrist band of a certain color(maybe silver for the chains of a basket) or a certain shape that had a disc outline on the top That you guys could sell to help support the USDGC or to support EDGE and keep promoting the sport..

I Know that as a discgolfer and all of my friends that play I would definately pick up a few if they were around the same price as the ones already out ($1-$2) To help promote the sport and spread the sport to new people..

Just something i had come up with when i was putting my wrist bands on one day before work..

LMK what you think of the idea and EVeryone else should post if they would support this idea as well...

-Scott Lewis

davei · Mar 22 2005, 04:03 PM

Scott, I think it is a good idea, but for it to be practical, it would probably have to be made where the others are made. We couldn't do it in house.

Dick · Mar 22 2005, 05:25 PM

Dave, i love your answers to disc related questions, but i despair that they will ever be able to straighten out this thread with all those blank pages i have to fight back through each time. What do you think about an ask dave II thread and then keeping the old one for archival purposes?

Mar 13 2005, 10:34 PM	#3452
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Hi Dave I recently had a chance to throw a new max weight 175 Sidewinder. I threw the disc hard and straight down the fairway and it went from flat to anhyser cleanly and never came out till the disc hit the ground. When I take a close look at the disc I see it is domey and the diameter of the disc is the same as any of my drivers. My question to you is why does this disc turn right and stay right till finish. I really like the disc for this reason.

Mar 13 2005, 11:37 PM	#3453
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D Hey Dave I got a Q? I got a disc recently, on the back is says 173 and in pen says "S.E. Banshee" on the front is a simple "Innova Champion Discs/Inc" star stamp. it's got a rancho mold mark on the back. And the disc is white. It doesn't feel quite like Dx nor SE (at least the SE plastic I know) more like 10x KC Pro but tackier... if that makes sense I think that's it, can you tell me anything about this? (Dave or anyone for that matter) Is it at all interesting, or were there lots of these made? thank you very much. __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Mar 14 2005, 08:18 AM	#3454
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D greatzky, the Omega AP is comparable to the Pro Aviar. Lackluster sales for it and the Q Omega. The Omega SS is still selling well. I believe the Sentinel has been discontinued too. As to your grip: It is not uncommon to have a callus on the middle finger if this is your rip point. If you use the fan grip or stack grip, you could get a blister on your ring finger too if you recently are getting a lot more pressure and rip off your fingers. If your throws have good power, this is a good thing and you will get used to it. If you are not getting good power, the blister could be from slip. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 14 2005, 08:56 AM	#3455
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Jeff, the flight you got was a combination of wind conditions, (if any), your particular throw, and the disc. If you throw nose up, your disc will fade back. The Sidewinder was based on the Stingray design. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 14 2005, 09:04 AM	#3456
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Jaymo, I imagine it was a special run of Banshees. Probably fairly rare. Not a regular offering. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 14 2005, 09:30 AM	#3457
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, Have you considered or tried to market an overstable midrange disc with the speed/distance and glide of a Roc? I have thrown both the Bulldog, and the Gator. While I love my new Champion Gator, it just does not have the distance of the Roc. I like the Roc, but for pulls ~300ft with any sort of head wind, the Roc is just too flippy for me.

Mar 14 2005, 12:33 PM	#3458
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Question for Dave D thanks Dave __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Mar 14 2005, 01:25 PM	#3459
hawkgammon Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,333	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I need your advice with Aviars. I settled on using the DX Putter for putting which is working out fine. What I need is an Aviar best suited for driving off tees on shorter (under 200') holes, or longer approaches that aren't mid-range worthy. I tend to flip the putters when I use them for these throws which is probably due to operator error, but is there another aviar better suited for this to fill the gap until I can do these throws with the putter? Would a stiffer one like the Classic or the K.C. be better? Would a more stable/overstable one help, and if so which Aviar is most "overstable". Thanks.

Mar 14 2005, 05:46 PM	#3461
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I need your advice with Aviars. I settled on using the DX Putter for putting which is working out fine. What I need is an Aviar best suited for driving off tees on shorter (under 200') holes, or longer approaches that aren't mid-range worthy. I tend to flip the putters when I use them for these throws which is probably due to operator error, but is there another aviar better suited for this to fill the gap until I can do these throws with the putter? Would a stiffer one like the Classic or the K.C. be better? Would a more stable/overstable one help, and if so which Aviar is most "overstable". Thanks. Is this the question from Hawk? I saw a question but didn't have time to answer, and then the site crashed. To reply: I agree with JRannefeld's assessment of the Classic and KC. There are several other options. I use the JK personally because it has a lot of grip and can handle torque. The three that are most torque resistant are the Pro series. The JK is soft and grippy, the KC is stiff, and the Pro is in between in Pro driver type plastic. The straightest flyers are the Classic and Q Omega. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 14 2005, 08:48 PM	#3462
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, would you rate the 20th anniversary Aviars with the torque-resistant KC and JK or with the straighter flying Classic and Q Omega? I finally put a anniversary Aviar in the bag but seldom throw it (it almost seems like sacrilege to throw and risk harming something of such esteem ).

Mar 14 2005, 10:16 PM	#3463
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Robj, I forgot which mold it was made with, but if it follows the usual form for candy, it would be the less torque resistant putter mold, even if it has a big bead. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 15 2005, 08:55 AM	#3465
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D I was on ebay looking for a new JK Pro Valk since I lost mine earlier today, and I saw that there are auctions for Proline Valks here . I checked Innova's web page, and it makes no mention of them being released, but they look just like new proline. Are these new, or older discs that just look like new proline?

Mar 15 2005, 01:04 PM	#3467
discndat PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 188	Page 301 for this thread Page 301 for this thread - just trying to help out. I had to keep going back until I found this page after the crash. __________________ Get all your disc golf gear at Disc 'n Dat Check out the Disc 'n Dat Tournaments

Mar 15 2005, 01:07 PM	#3468
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Page 301 for this thread 201.

Mar 15 2005, 01:26 PM	#3469
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Re: Page 301 for this thread hey dave-- i throw spiders [dx and champ] for my mids [they fly like a longer rhyno for me, which is my putter/approach], and the dx beast for long drives. what would you [or anyone] reccomend for a disc in-between the 2. i throw the spiders flat, and i flip up the dx beasts. i tried the dx and champ teebird, but they did not work for me. i was thinking pro tl or champ leopard? what do you think? thanks

Mar 15 2005, 03:51 PM	#3470
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Question for Dave D Robj, the putter mold would generally have less fade whether it was big bead or small. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 15 2005, 04:04 PM	#3471
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Page 301 for this thread steven, there's a lot of room in between a Spider and a DX Beast. On the upper end of the in between straight flyers, is the Viking. The TL would be next down followed by the Champion Leopard, then the Champion Panther. I would choose the Champion Leopard myself. I listed the discs in decending order of speed. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 15 2005, 05:02 PM	#3472
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Re: Page 301 for this thread thanks dave

Mar 16 2005, 04:03 AM	#3473
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Page 301 for this thread Hello Dave, this is an idea (crazy?) rather than a question. How about making an putter named COR (or RCO, OCR, CRO) as an complement to the ORC and ROC :P An cool series of disc (if you ask me), I looked up COR (the only combination that actually was a word). It means English Horn (cor anglais).

Mar 19 2005, 11:28 PM	#3474
thenatureboy68 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 159	Re: Page 301 for this thread Hey Dave, I went to Texas 10 in Tyler today. I bought Sidewinder. It is red special blend. I know what I saw. I used to have SB orcs. Is it accident to make sb sidewinder? It is so sweet why dont you go ahead and make new plastic SB for all models.

Mar 21 2005, 12:39 AM	#3476
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Page 301 for this thread Hi Dave. Whats up with the new DX plastic? Ive seen alot of the DX Orcs get sliced open deep on seemingly light tree kicks. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Mar 21 2005, 01:34 PM	#3478
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Page 301 for this thread Dave, I had an idea for another fundraising idea for the USDG and to promote DIscgolf in general.. I see that these Rubber Colored Wristbands are getting ridiculously popular,I wear 3myself, and they are no longer just applying to cure diseases.. I have seen some for drunk driving and other even simpler things.. What if you guys made a "CE" wrist band of a certain color(maybe silver for the chains of a basket) or a certain shape that had a disc outline on the top That you guys could sell to help support the USDGC or to support EDGE and keep promoting the sport.. I Know that as a discgolfer and all of my friends that play I would definately pick up a few if they were around the same price as the ones already out ($1-$2) To help promote the sport and spread the sport to new people.. Just something i had come up with when i was putting my wrist bands on one day before work.. LMK what you think of the idea and EVeryone else should post if they would support this idea as well... -Scott Lewis

Mar 22 2005, 04:03 PM	#3479
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Page 301 for this thread Scott, I think it is a good idea, but for it to be practical, it would probably have to be made where the others are made. We couldn't do it in house. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Mar 22 2005, 05:25 PM	#3480
Dick PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Out hunting nomads... Posts: 1,806	Re: Page 301 for this thread Dave, i love your answers to disc related questions, but i despair that they will ever be able to straighten out this thread with all those blank pages i have to fight back through each time. What do you think about an ask dave II thread and then keeping the old one for archival purposes?

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