Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

Hey Dave .
How about making every design in every possible plastic and configuration, and keep it in constant available stock in all weights? Drop the price by 90% and keep innovating.
If you would only get to work by 2:30 am instead of 4:00 am you might get something done huh????
What makes you think you deserve sleep anyway???
In your spare time how about teaching us all to throw?

wow, that was golden. it's good to see a little sarcasm every once in a while. and when you've been studying for 12 hours, it's even better to see an entire post full of it.
keep up the great work dave!

That was a treat to read. thanks (i rated you 5 stars as a reciprocal gesture)

[davei]

crdiscgolfer, yes, that's what it is. To be clear: the "special blend" USDGC Roc are the Ontario Roc configuration (it says Rancho), with the regular Champion plastic and one additive, which gives it a little more grip.

[davei]

OOps. already answered this it think.

[davei]

Paul, yes: usually the more rings, the older the disc. Triple rings are most likely San Marino vintage.

[davei]

Steven, we will most likely do the special blend for USDGC next year too. The Ontario configuration essentially is like a Roc L without being one. The Pro Roc plastic is different, but closer to candy now than it used to be. I believe, (without having the Rocs here to compare), that the Super Rocs are grippier than the Special Blend and considerable more overstable. If anyone has an opinion contrary to that, I would like to hear it. Feedback is good and appreciated.

[davei]

vandal, I we are scheduled to start Mon or Tues.

[tafe]

Got my '05 Roc's and they look great. The flash removal on the glo's and the standard ones is really good, however...
What's up with the Special Blends? Out of the 40 that I received, about 60% of them are damaged to the point that I can't call my new discs, "mint." There are gouges and scrapes where, it seems that whoever was removing the flashing, slipped. I can't find any of these marks on my other '05 Roc's. Is it a problem with the plastic?

[flynvegas]

Only 1 out of 20 of my SB's have a slight ding on the edge. Very happy.

One of mine had a little extra flashing on it but brushed right off. I did get some Champ Sidewinders that all had a series of dings in them. Love the SB's though, great flight and awesome grip! Slid one down a walking path and not a scratch on it! The regular Champ Rocs were even more stable than I expected, very nice! Glad to hear SB's are in the plans for next year!

[20460chase]

Dave, is there a reason that the new special blends couldnt be done in regulaur run? Its not like support for the USDGC would drop off if these werent included. Could these possibly be done as a CFR run? Maybe in INNCOLOR?

Dave, were there any soft Rhynos that didn't say soft on them? I came across a proline today that felt just as soft as my JK 4x Soft aviar-X

[davei]

Chase these could have been general CFR, or regular. We may move it to regular channels eventually, but for now it makes sense to keep it where it is. If molding time loosens up, things could change.

[davei]

Mr Zoonker, yes, actually I was unaware that any said "soft". They are supposed to be soft and grippy. It does vary somewhat though.

[20460chase]

Thanks Dave.

DAVE-I just got an old big bead aviar, white with blue grid stamp. It seems that the nose on this is sharper than the KC aviar. It looks like a different mold. When did you change molds for the big bead aviar? Does one design have different flight characteristics? Why did you change the mold? Thank you

[davei]

Rendroc, that was a driver Aviar before there were two different molds. Now, the grid stamped Aviar is small bead with the sharper nose. Same setup as the P & A. It is called the Classic. All Pro Aviars are the big bead driver version: KC, JK, and regular Pro. The pro mold was created for the higher driving speeds of Pros. Pro discs are more overstable than the regular Aviars.

[rangel]

Dave,
No question today. Just thanks. I just went thru the PDF catalog on the Innova web site and I really liked the layout of the Driver Flight Chart.

My opinion. When (if ?) courses get longer, more people will start tuning in on how long they throw "fairway drivers". I think this is a great start.

For those of us who belong to the "low power" category, it has already started

[hawkgammon]

Dave,

With the revamped flight ratings on the Innova discs, the Orc and Eagle are both -1/+3. The difference being speed. Should we assume therefore that they will follow the same flight path, but that the Orc will produce more distance based on the speed rating of 10 vs. the Eagles 7? Though I remember reading here once you stated something like to really notice the difference in the drivers you needed to be able to hit 400' or so. Does that mean if you can't drive 400' an Eagle and an Orc are going to be the same disc for you? Also would you consider the Eagle better into a headwind than a TeeBird? Finally I don't have one in front of me right now, but isn't the rim on the Eagle the same as the TeeBird in terms of width?

Thanks.

[davei]

Hawk, the Orc and Eagle do have a similar flight path, but the Orc has a longer flight for the same throwing power. A 380 ft throw with an Eagle would produce @ a 400 ft throw with an Orc. I would consider the TeeBird better into a headwind as far as accuracy goes, though the Eagle might go a little farther. The rim widths on the TeeBird and Eagle are the same. The Viking would be a disc between an Eagle and an Orc.

[Dick]

i would have to dispute those numbers dave. i think a 300 foot throw with an eagle might be more like a 350 foot throw with a beast or orc.
i think the speed definitely increases distance more for lower powered throwers like myself without sacrificing accuracy. if i can't afford to turn it over i still use my teebird, but the beast and pro orc have given me an extra 50 feet easily.

p.s thanks for those discs. you made us average guys really happy with them! and the sidewinder too, wow what glide!

[20460chase]

Hi Dave. Could you tell me about the Wham-o / Innova venture and what you thought of the discs that came out of it? I got a "91" that seems to have a vinyl stamp. It was stamped San Marino and has rings on the bottom. Are these the same rings discussed with older San Marino Rocs?

[flynvegas]

Those 91 molds would flip over really bad. They also broke very easy. There were other Whamo / Innova molds as well.

[davei]

Chase, the "Wham-0/Innova venture was really a Discovering the World/Innova venture. Discovering the World had the rights to the Wham-0 disc golf line at the time. We made several of the discs in that line for Discovering the World. The 91 was the first and was a distance disc of the time. The bottom is the same sort as the San Marino Rocs, but it came from the Original Stingray, I believe.

[thetruthxl]

Hey dave!

just wanted to say THANKS! for the sidewinder. MAN, us michigan boys are lovin' that plate. It opens up lanes that I've never seen before...and thats in the cold. can't wait to see it unleashed in the warm spring!

[flynvegas]

Dave,
I got my first bunch of 91 molds from Mangone when he came out to Vegas. That's interesting, I wasn't aware he was the one pushing Whamo discs then. Was Matel the owner of Whamo then? Why only 3 colors? I've seen the most common blue, then lime yellow, and the rare red. Thx

[20460chase]

Thanks Dave. How about the plastic? Is that a special designed plastic or something that was common with other Innova discs of that time?

[20460chase]

Dave,
I got my first bunch of 91 molds from Mangone when he came out to Vegas. That's interesting, I wasn't aware he was the one pushing Whamo discs then. Was Matel the owner of Whamo then? Why only 3 colors? I've seen the most common blue, then lime yellow, and the rare red. Thx

Flyin, Mine is bright yellow with a blue stamp. Are these stamps vinyl?

[davei]

Rob and Chase, it was regular DX plastic and a regular color hot stamp (as opposed to metallic). It was during the Mattel days. There were limited colors as there were very limited runs. As it was Discovering, the distribution channels were limited, and the sales were limited despite the fact that some of the models were state of the art at the time.

[mf100forever]

Hi Dave,
still going trough my boxes, my question, what is the differences between the first Phenix and the retooling (in 89 I think)?
Between which dates/years where the Phenix produced?