Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 111

davei · Feb 22 2005, 08:23 PM

AD3P, the Sidewinder is a faster disc and would be longer upwind and crosss, but not downwind. It would come down to which disc got the better wind ride.

davei · Feb 22 2005, 08:26 PM

Steve, the reasons are two: Drivers are thrown off the fingers and base of the thumb, which means the thumtrac grip is not needed, and may actually be in the way, and secondly, the spoiler effect is at the cost of additional drag. We have tested a mid range which was pretty good, but the grip thing killed it.

davei · Feb 22 2005, 08:30 PM

AD3P, I should have also said that the Sidewinder would be a much better disc for you than the Orc. The Orc takes a lot of power to turn. The Sidewinder has a slow predictable turn. The Archangel has the most turn and glide but would be harder to predict for higher speed throwers.

rangel · Feb 23 2005, 09:06 AM

Thanks. I really do appreciate the advice.

rickb · Feb 24 2005, 01:35 AM

Dave the special blend CE ROCS are a long awaited blessing. Thank you.

Question goes like this. CE ROCS for the USDGC, Super ROCS for the Worlds.

Have you given any thought to running a Super special blend ROC for other fundrasing oppurtunities? My original SE ROC is in the bag as is an Ontario for those certain shots. A ROC with Ontario flight characterisitics in a more durable plastic would make more then just myself happy.

Anyway thanks for all you do.

mf100forever · Feb 24 2005, 03:51 AM

Dave,
are there more than two different Python-molds made? What are the difference between them?

davei · Feb 24 2005, 08:21 AM

Rick, that was an idea that came up, but we decided against it at the time. I thought it was a good idea, but no one else did. They thought it would be confusing to the consumer.

davei · Feb 24 2005, 08:25 AM

mf100, I don't recall right now, but it is possible. The difference would be on the bevel. The earlier version would have more of a curve inward.

Dick · Feb 24 2005, 09:34 AM

dave have you guys ever thought about going back to one or two colors and only one stamp for the ce rocs? seems like it would solve alot of the distribution problems , especially with just one color. seems very confusing to have so many different choices. maybe run a different color or stamp for at the event or partners or something....

girlie · Feb 24 2005, 09:40 AM

I just want to say THANKS! I love the choices AND the pretty colors.

And this year I actually scored some in my preferred weight range!

Team ROC
Throw More ROCs

davei · Feb 24 2005, 10:11 AM

DrEvil, it would be easier to just have just one or two offerings of USDGC Rocs, but I don't think it would be as appealing. We probably would have done okay this year if we hadn't had the crash. We are upgrading the simultaneous order capacity for next year to avoid a repeat, hopefully.

Feb 24 2005, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Dave the special blend CE ROCS are a long awaited blessing. Thank you.

Question goes like this. CE ROCS for the USDGC, Super ROCS for the Worlds.

Have you given any thought to running a Super special blend ROC for other fundrasing oppurtunities? My original SE ROC is in the bag as is an Ontario for those certain shots. A ROC with Ontario flight characterisitics in a more durable plastic would make more then just myself happy.

Anyway thanks for all you do.

I thought the special blend was this onatrio roc with more durable plastic... isn't that what you told me...

Gimmie_tha_Roc · Feb 24 2005, 01:27 PM

Are all of the new CFR glow discs going to have the INNcolor stamp on them? Also, The catalog says that beast are available in the regular glow plastic, but I can't get them.

20460chase · Feb 24 2005, 02:00 PM

Hey Dave, Are the glo Orcs going to be a run regulaur? Also, what kind of blend was used on the 20th Aniv. Aviars? While holding the Aviar and a new Red Special Blend they seemed very similar. And... do you know a relative number on 1st run Leopards? How rare are the blueberry Leopards? Thanks agian for your time.

davei · Feb 24 2005, 03:14 PM

Jon, the INNcolor is only available for CFR, but CFR discs can be hotstamped too, I believe. The glow DX Beasts have not been run yet, but are in the schedule. Sorry.

davei · Feb 24 2005, 03:40 PM

Chase, glo Orcs will be a semi regular thing. The 20th Aniv Aviars were either the same as the special blend Rocs or had one more anti-bounce ingredient added. I don't recall if I added the anti-bounce stuff. I don't have an idea on the number of first run candy Leopards, but the blueberry were relatively rare.

Gimmie_tha_Roc · Feb 24 2005, 03:57 PM

Dave, I think you misunderstood my question about the glow orcs. Not if INNcolor is always on the CFRs, but if there will be any champ glow orcs that have regular hotstamps, instead of the INNcolor

justingill · Feb 24 2005, 04:07 PM

Dave i dont understand how much of a 'glow' the INNcolor Glow Orcs can have with that huge color stamp on there. Is it just the white parts that glow? and if so, how effective are they??

I am very interested in getting some of these, but i just dont understand how practical for glow golf they really are. Ya know?

Dick · Feb 24 2005, 04:19 PM

glow discs aren't really that practical for glo golf anyway. try thill bobber llights and a piece of clear packing tape!!!

jeterdawg · Feb 24 2005, 04:25 PM

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Very true...glow discs are just kind of cool to have...the dx Roc and Aviar versions are fun to play catch with in the dark, but you'd never want to throw them in the schule and try to find one. The bobbers work great on most Z/Champ discs when taped to the bottom and all discs when taped to the top.

I think the glow candy discs are unique because the plastic seems to fly and age VERY well but not give them super-added stability (except for the Banshees though, those were nuts!)

When might we see the new ones rolling in (in non-InnColor fashion) like the Orc, Starfire, Firebird, etc. ???

justingill · Feb 24 2005, 05:31 PM

The glow discs aren't practical for night golf????
ARE YOU SERIOUS??

I Love glow golf!!!

I use Glow Aviars, Eagles and Leopards. And a Candy Glow EL.
The Candy EL Glows much better than the regular glows, but i can still find my regular glows easily.(unless they are under a pile of leaves; but would you find a regular disc under them in the daylight anyway??)

Out of my three local courses I con only play glow golf on one of 'em. Thats in the middle of nowhere in Michigan. (Vienna Park in Temperance, MI) Maybe you two are playing on courses that have too much city lighting??

Or maybe you are not using the right stuff??
Black Lights are okay, but you really need a 1 million candlepower light or even a more powerful one. Those really light the discs up! And if you do manage to lose one, the light really comes in handy finding them nder the leaves.

I love glow golf and i am currently trying to arrange a couple more glow events in my area for 2005. I think there should be a couple more events at least. I think there is already a C-Tier in place for OCTOBER a Vienna Park. (M2 Discs' 2nd Annual Bark at the Moon)

Keep the glow discs coming Dave!

20460chase · Feb 24 2005, 05:49 PM

Thank you Dave.

Glo golfs a blast. I have a fly by night glo that is alot like a ROC only smaller diamater, I think, And has a edge cut out on the inner rim for a glo necklace. If they were PDGA legal, Id probaly throw one all the time. Id go against anyone with a one disc fly by night glo match.

20460chase · Feb 24 2005, 06:50 PM

Say Dave, can you purchase the labled bags that Innova discs are shipped in?

davei · Feb 24 2005, 08:55 PM

Champion glow is being reserved for CFR, but can be hotstamped as well as INNcolored.

davei · Feb 24 2005, 08:58 PM

Justin, it depends on the art. If the coverage is solid, then the top probably won't glow much, but the sides and bottom will. If the art is like stained glass effect, then the disc will glow through.

Cdale600 · Feb 24 2005, 09:01 PM

I have the Texas 10 'EYES' glow inncolor disc and let me tell you when that thing is glowing through the eyes it is so cool it will give you chills. I can't imagine throwing one of my inncolor discs though. They aren't frisbees they are art...

davei · Feb 24 2005, 09:01 PM

I believe we have all those models already. We plan to keep a stock of all those plus TLs and Valks.

davei · Feb 24 2005, 09:03 PM

chase, I don't know what the policy is on that one.

Feb 24 2005, 09:25 PM

Dave,

I just recieved my first of two orders of DX Orcs, and am I crazy or are these very similar to the new Pro Line plasic. I have a few other DX discs and they feel different and the plastic seems harder then these Orcs. These Orcs feel almost sticky. Has the DX formula changed, and if so, does it still wear as good as the "normal" DX plastic?

Thanks

TravisGrindle12 · Feb 24 2005, 11:50 PM

Dave
Two questions for you:

1. Most everyone says Throw ROCS . But for some reason they do not seem comfortable to me(Maybe hand size) but Cobras(esp pro Line) are very comfortable. Would this be a bad trade off? Would a need to add another disc to my game to make up for this?

2. In your opinion what is the best roller disc Innova Makes.

Thanks for your time and for everything you have done for this great sport,

Feb 22 2005, 08:23 PM	#3301
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D AD3P, the Sidewinder is a faster disc and would be longer upwind and crosss, but not downwind. It would come down to which disc got the better wind ride. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 22 2005, 08:26 PM	#3302
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Steve, the reasons are two: Drivers are thrown off the fingers and base of the thumb, which means the thumtrac grip is not needed, and may actually be in the way, and secondly, the spoiler effect is at the cost of additional drag. We have tested a mid range which was pretty good, but the grip thing killed it. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 22 2005, 08:30 PM	#3303
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D AD3P, I should have also said that the Sidewinder would be a much better disc for you than the Orc. The Orc takes a lot of power to turn. The Sidewinder has a slow predictable turn. The Archangel has the most turn and glide but would be harder to predict for higher speed throwers. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 23 2005, 09:06 AM	#3304
rangel PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Great State of Kentucky Posts: 139	Re: Question for Dave D Thanks. I really do appreciate the advice.

Feb 24 2005, 01:35 AM	#3305
rickb PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NC Posts: 735	Re: Question for Dave D Dave the special blend CE ROCS are a long awaited blessing. Thank you. Question goes like this. CE ROCS for the USDGC, Super ROCS for the Worlds. Have you given any thought to running a Super special blend ROC for other fundrasing oppurtunities? My original SE ROC is in the bag as is an Ontario for those certain shots. A ROC with Ontario flight characterisitics in a more durable plastic would make more then just myself happy. Anyway thanks for all you do.

Feb 24 2005, 03:51 AM	#3306
mf100forever PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lulea Sweden Posts: 752	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, are there more than two different Python-molds made? What are the difference between them? __________________ (Disc)-gracefully yours, MF100forever # 3418 http://www.discgolfsweden.se/english/index.aspx

Feb 24 2005, 08:21 AM	#3307
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Rick, that was an idea that came up, but we decided against it at the time. I thought it was a good idea, but no one else did. They thought it would be confusing to the consumer. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 08:25 AM	#3308
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D mf100, I don't recall right now, but it is possible. The difference would be on the bevel. The earlier version would have more of a curve inward. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 09:34 AM	#3309
Dick PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Out hunting nomads... Posts: 1,806	Re: Question for Dave D dave have you guys ever thought about going back to one or two colors and only one stamp for the ce rocs? seems like it would solve alot of the distribution problems , especially with just one color. seems very confusing to have so many different choices. maybe run a different color or stamp for at the event or partners or something....

Feb 24 2005, 09:40 AM	#3310
girlie Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Damascus, MD Posts: 692	Re: Question for Dave D I just want to say THANKS! I love the choices AND the pretty colors. And this year I actually scored some in my preferred weight range! Team ROC Throw More ROCs

Feb 24 2005, 10:11 AM	#3311
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D DrEvil, it would be easier to just have just one or two offerings of USDGC Rocs, but I don't think it would be as appealing. We probably would have done okay this year if we hadn't had the crash. We are upgrading the simultaneous order capacity for next year to avoid a repeat, hopefully. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 01:27 PM	#3313
Gimmie_tha_Roc Community Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: BGKY Posts: 106	Re: Question for Dave D Are all of the new CFR glow discs going to have the INNcolor stamp on them? Also, The catalog says that beast are available in the regular glow plastic, but I can't get them.

Feb 24 2005, 02:00 PM	#3314
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Hey Dave, Are the glo Orcs going to be a run regulaur? Also, what kind of blend was used on the 20th Aniv. Aviars? While holding the Aviar and a new Red Special Blend they seemed very similar. And... do you know a relative number on 1st run Leopards? How rare are the blueberry Leopards? Thanks agian for your time. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Feb 24 2005, 03:14 PM	#3315
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Jon, the INNcolor is only available for CFR, but CFR discs can be hotstamped too, I believe. The glow DX Beasts have not been run yet, but are in the schedule. Sorry. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 03:40 PM	#3316
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Chase, glo Orcs will be a semi regular thing. The 20th Aniv Aviars were either the same as the special blend Rocs or had one more anti-bounce ingredient added. I don't recall if I added the anti-bounce stuff. I don't have an idea on the number of first run candy Leopards, but the blueberry were relatively rare. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 03:57 PM	#3317
Gimmie_tha_Roc Community Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: BGKY Posts: 106	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I think you misunderstood my question about the glow orcs. Not if INNcolor is always on the CFRs, but if there will be any champ glow orcs that have regular hotstamps, instead of the INNcolor

Feb 24 2005, 04:07 PM	#3318
justingill Community Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 147	Re: Question for Dave D Dave i dont understand how much of a 'glow' the INNcolor Glow Orcs can have with that huge color stamp on there. Is it just the white parts that glow? and if so, how effective are they?? I am very interested in getting some of these, but i just dont understand how practical for glow golf they really are. Ya know?

Feb 24 2005, 04:19 PM	#3319
Dick PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Out hunting nomads... Posts: 1,806	Re: Question for Dave D glow discs aren't really that practical for glo golf anyway. try thill bobber llights and a piece of clear packing tape!!!

Feb 24 2005, 04:25 PM	#3320
jeterdawg PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Texas Posts: 620	Re: Question for Dave D ^ \| \| Very true...glow discs are just kind of cool to have...the dx Roc and Aviar versions are fun to play catch with in the dark, but you'd never want to throw them in the schule and try to find one. The bobbers work great on most Z/Champ discs when taped to the bottom and all discs when taped to the top. I think the glow candy discs are unique because the plastic seems to fly and age VERY well but not give them super-added stability (except for the Banshees though, those were nuts!) When might we see the new ones rolling in (in non-InnColor fashion) like the Orc, Starfire, Firebird, etc. ???

Feb 24 2005, 05:31 PM	#3321
justingill Community Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 147	Re: Question for Dave D The glow discs aren't practical for night golf???? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? I Love glow golf!!! I use Glow Aviars, Eagles and Leopards. And a Candy Glow EL. The Candy EL Glows much better than the regular glows, but i can still find my regular glows easily.(unless they are under a pile of leaves; but would you find a regular disc under them in the daylight anyway??) Out of my three local courses I con only play glow golf on one of 'em. Thats in the middle of nowhere in Michigan. (Vienna Park in Temperance, MI) Maybe you two are playing on courses that have too much city lighting?? Or maybe you are not using the right stuff?? Black Lights are okay, but you really need a 1 million candlepower light or even a more powerful one. Those really light the discs up! And if you do manage to lose one, the light really comes in handy finding them nder the leaves. I love glow golf and i am currently trying to arrange a couple more glow events in my area for 2005. I think there should be a couple more events at least. I think there is already a C-Tier in place for OCTOBER a Vienna Park. (M2 Discs' 2nd Annual Bark at the Moon) Keep the glow discs coming Dave!

Feb 24 2005, 05:49 PM	#3322
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Thank you Dave. Glo golfs a blast. I have a fly by night glo that is alot like a ROC only smaller diamater, I think, And has a edge cut out on the inner rim for a glo necklace. If they were PDGA legal, Id probaly throw one all the time. Id go against anyone with a one disc fly by night glo match. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Feb 24 2005, 06:50 PM	#3323
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Question for Dave D Say Dave, can you purchase the labled bags that Innova discs are shipped in? __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Feb 24 2005, 08:55 PM	#3324
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Champion glow is being reserved for CFR, but can be hotstamped as well as INNcolored. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 08:58 PM	#3325
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D Justin, it depends on the art. If the coverage is solid, then the top probably won't glow much, but the sides and bottom will. If the art is like stained glass effect, then the disc will glow through. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 09:01 PM	#3326
Cdale600 Community Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 186	Re: Question for Dave D I have the Texas 10 'EYES' glow inncolor disc and let me tell you when that thing is glowing through the eyes it is so cool it will give you chills. I can't imagine throwing one of my inncolor discs though. They aren't frisbees they are art...

Feb 24 2005, 09:01 PM	#3327
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D I believe we have all those models already. We plan to keep a stock of all those plus TLs and Valks. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 09:03 PM	#3328
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,638	Re: Question for Dave D chase, I don't know what the policy is on that one. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Feb 24 2005, 09:25 PM	#3329
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Question for Dave D Dave, I just recieved my first of two orders of DX Orcs, and am I crazy or are these very similar to the new Pro Line plasic. I have a few other DX discs and they feel different and the plastic seems harder then these Orcs. These Orcs feel almost sticky. Has the DX formula changed, and if so, does it still wear as good as the "normal" DX plastic? Thanks

Feb 24 2005, 11:50 PM	#3330
TravisGrindle12 Membership Expired Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Broadway NC Posts: 387	Re: Question for Dave D Dave Two questions for you: 1. Most everyone says Throw ROCS . But for some reason they do not seem comfortable to me(Maybe hand size) but Cobras(esp pro Line) are very comfortable. Would this be a bad trade off? Would a need to add another disc to my game to make up for this? 2. In your opinion what is the best roller disc Innova Makes. Thanks for your time and for everything you have done for this great sport, __________________ Proud member of Team FFF Fins Furs and Feathers. Disc Golfers helping Disc Golfers We do get Twisters in North Carolina Team Fish.......Enough Said.

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